Maybe they should let these guys just be the football team. I bet they would
win a bowl game at least.....
WACPadding,Let me try to help you out (again). Divisions are geographic
(except in cases where the team is affiliated with a major conference) and BYU
is located in Utah. As an independent BYU belongs to the only division that
serves Utah schools, the "Utah division." It has nothing to do with
strong and weak teams but geography. Obviously, as BYU's schedule was much
more demanding than another Utah team further north that belongs to a
prestigious conference. BYU played two professional teams as well as seven Top
20 teams. Meanwhile Utah lost to Central Washington, beat Weber State by two
and stole a forfeit over Montana State.
WiscougarfanRiver Falls, WII'm a little befuddled by those on
this thread who are trying to insinuate that BYU rugby does not play elite
competition (see comments about Utah skiing, a baking competition, etc.). In most sports you measure the prestige of the team/program by results
and awards. In the last decade BYU rugby has four National Championships, over
50 All-Americans, and has send a number of players and coaches to the national
team. I would imagine a few former Cougs even play rugby professionally, does
anyone know? It can't get much more elite than that. Go Cougs!________I see a comment made about what is called the Utah
Division, and some schools within it. Where does it say anything about
BYU's rugby schedule? Yeah great they play a lot of good teams, but they
are in a division with a bunch of Idaho State's as mentioned.
I'm a little befuddled by those on this thread who are trying to insinuate
that BYU rugby does not play elite competition (see comments about Utah skiing,
a baking competition, etc.). In most sports you measure the
prestige of the team/program by results and awards. In the last decade BYU
rugby has four National Championships, over 50 All-Americans, and has send a
number of players and coaches to the national team. I would imagine a few former
Cougs even play rugby professionally, does anyone know? It can't get much
more elite than that. Go Cougs!
RE: NightOwlAmericaYou should take an actual look at BYU's
schedule. They played St Mary's twice, two pro teams (one fielded there 2nd
XV), Cal Poly, Utah, Arizona St, Navy, Dartmouth, Cal. Those are programs that
rugby fans will recognize as quality opponents. Are there some cupcakes in
there? Sure. But they play a very hard schedule. They don't even really
play a conference schedule. Unlike football, conference affiliation doesn't
matter because everyone has a chance at a National Championship and that is more
important than conference affiliation.Congrats to BYU on their 3rd
straight National Championship.
nightowlIf you're trying to paint a picture of BYU playing a
soft schedule in Rugby, you obviously don't have a clue about college
Rugby.BYU beat the following Top 25 teams in Rugby this season
(RugbyMag rankings on May 1):#2 Saint Mary's#4 California
#7 Navy#9 Central Washington#10 Utah#15 Arizona State#19 Dartmouth
RE: NightOwlAmericaThe 163 came from searching USARugby, apparently
the same site you looked at. There are 35 D-1A teams and 128 D-1AA teams. BYU (a D-1AA team) does indeed belong to the Utah Collegiate league
because they are located in Utah. Are you seriously trying to disparage BYU
simply because they are located in Utah? As a club sport with limited funds it
only makes sense for the leagues to be geographic. BYU is certainly "at
home" with their WAC buddies (they didn't play WCC teams so that
isn't really relevant). They were also at home beating Utah (41-21),
Arizona State (57-26), and Cal (43-33) of the PAC12. So they played more PAC
teams than WAC teams, and beat them all. Keep trying.
upinthenightDon't know about cooking, but I'd be careful
about broadening the competition if I were you...BYU's
Cougarettes have won 13 National Collegiate Dance Team Championships and BYU's Center for Animation has won a dozen Academy of
Television Arts & Sciences Foundation, College Television Awards (Student
Wiscougarfan,I would be curios to know where you got the number of
rugby teams. 163 sound like a lot. Not saying that is incorrect, just would like
a BYU student won some national baking competition or whatever. Does that count
as a national title like rugby. :) Somewhere out there a BYU fan or two will
come up with a way to call that a D1 title.>And
curiously I looked into Rugby USA. BYU is in what's called the Utah
Division. It's a who's who of WAC & independent names. Must be
tough with the likes of Idaho St, Weber St, and Salt Lake Community College. Yes
SLCC is in the Utah Division. So BYU is right at home in a way. Has a WAC, WCC
and independent band of buddies feel to it.
@ TrollPolice"and Utah fans are still bitterly jealous."
hopefully you are referring to other utah fans and not me. Calling me a utah fan
is just plain hilarious. Not in this lifetime. I was applauding BYU as kings of
the state as far as rugby is concerned.
All this talk is silly. Collegiate Rugby is a respectable sport played by
athletes who don't get scholarships or meal plans. Some have gone on to
play in the NFL. Some to play internationally, some to play for the US. If you
don't think they are athletes, go play a game of touch with them. When the
UofU won the 7s championship they beat teams whose backlines included running
backs from the football team. Nobody on any of those teams ran higher than a 4.5
40. There's also a lot of international players playing in the US.
I've been watching collegiate rugby now for ten years; impressive growth
out of BYU. Impressive coaching. Impressive play. Unwritten rules of rugby
dictate giving credit where it is due. Fans need to shut up if they've
never played. Then go to a game. You'll be hooked. Well done, brothers from
the south. UofU is on the rise. see you next year.
Sorry Tajemnica, but I don't think you grasp what a discussion board is
for. If you don't want to "discuss" things with the rest of us
there are plenty of other newspapers.
@TajemnicaI would say that Billy Hamilton's chances of
surplanting Mark Hamill in Star Wars are still pretty slim. And, the chances of
"Oh Billy Hamilton" surpassing "Oh Billy Boy" in popularity are
almost nil.btw, that still doesn't change the fact that BYU has
won three consecutive National Championships in Men's Rugby...and Utah fans are still bitterly jealous.
@WiscougarfanIn that case has anyone seen how Billy Hamilton is
absolutely tearing up the base paths for the Cincinnati Reds? Kid is the fastest
runner I have ever seen. I hope that within the next couple years he can beat
Ricky Henderson's single season stolen base record.
WACPaddingOurSchedulepocatello, IDFor one not caring about BYU
rugby, you certainly care a lot about BYU rugby.
RE: Tajemnica"Spouting off useless nonsense, fact or not, about
BYU and utah and all their national championships in any setting or division or
sport is stupid and pointless. The fact is, BYU and utah compete in the same
rugby division. Since this article is about rugby only, the conversation ends
here."I respectfully disagree. I believe that discussion forums
are intended to discuss general topics, and they are left open because sometimes
discussions deviate from the exact purpose of the article. In this case a
discussion about BYU rugby was expanded to talking about the overall strength of
BYU's athletic program, especially in comparison to their rival
school's program. It's not much of a "discussion" if you
simply say, "BYU rules! National champs once again." BTW,
BYU does rule and it's great to have another national championship.
I watched a bit of the game and it was pretty cool. I even started to get a
handle on the rules as the game progressed. BYU's team is really good. Go
Cougars! Congrats on another NC.
@ everyoneSpouting off useless nonsense, fact or not, about BYU and
utah and all their national championships in any setting or division or sport is
stupid and pointless. The fact is, BYU and utah compete in the same rugby
division. Since this article is about rugby only, the conversation ends here.
BYU won the championship in the same league utah competes in. BYU rugby is a
better program now and in the last few years than utah rugby. Stop comparing
apples to oranges.
Congratulations BYU Rugby! Great program with a great history of success.
Varsity Cup Rugby is the premium league in collegiate rugby. Other Universities
have club programs, but do not compete on this level. This is an elevated level
of rugby that represents the very best rugby available at the college level, and
the players at this level are used to field the USA national team. The teams in
this premium league include Air Force, BYU, Cal, Clemson, CWU, Dartmouth, Navy,
Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Texas, UCLA, and (yes) Utah. While this is not an NCAA
sponsored sport. The national championship here represents the very best rugby
at the collegiate level in the U.S. For the Utah naysayers out there, be
careful not to insult your own program by your uninformed blustering about this
win. Utah has a very fine team and will likely be in the hunt for the
championship another year. I won't be marginalizing the sport when that
happens. You will have beat the best competition in the country (including Cal
and BYU, just like BYU beat Cal and Utah (for the Wasatch Cup) this year.
BYU Rugby is very relevant; otherwise, the Ute trolls wouldn't be loitering
here.BYU Rugby should be the flagship sport of BYU and Utah
Gymnastics should be the flagship sport of Utah. Those teams just know how to
get it done.
BYU Rugby beat three PAC 12 schools - Utah, Arizona State, and California -
during their 2014 National Championship season.Utah lost to the only
PAC 12 school that competes in coed skiing - Colorado - to finish 5th at the
NCAA skiing championship meet.If I'm not mistaken, skiing is
the only NCAA-sponsored sport that has so few participants that they have to
combine the men's and women's teams into a single coed team.
WiscougarfanThanks for researching those facts - it's easy to
ignore the facts, when you choose hide behind labels to suit your own agenda.
RE: WACPadding"Rugby USA IS NOT the NAIA, D2, D3 or the NCAA.
Rugby titles are not valid collegiate titles. Skiing is a recognized NCAA sport.
Get over it."Diminish BYU's national championship all you
want but the facts remain clear...There are 163 schools whose sports
programs compete at the D1 level that have men's rugby teams in the United
States. BYU was either first, second, or third best (hard to know since the
varsity cup broke away from USA rugby). Most people who actually follow and
care about rugby would consider BYU the collegiate national champs. There are 62 schools whose sports programs compete at the D1 level that have
women's gymnastics teams. Utah is ranked 5th or 7th depending on the poll
(BYU 30th).There are 11 schools whose sports programs compete at the
D1 level that have a men's ski team. I don't think they actually rank
those teams but Utah did win a championship over a decade ago. So,
WACpadding, what you said is true. Rugby isn't a recognized NCAA sport
while skiing is. However, I believe that being the best of 163 teams is
slightly better than unranked among 11 teams.
To all those who say it isn't a legit national championship,the fact is
that BYU has the best collegiate rugby team in the nation. End of story.
But yet if the Utes ever won a Rugby Championship they would be on here
screaming to anyone that will listen about their domination of PAC-12 life and
how they own BYU in all sports. BYU and CAL own Rugby, both schools have a right
to pound their chest in pride for their accomplishments in winning Rugby titles.
Whether it is NCAA or not, it is still a National Championship, period.Congrats to the BYU Rugby team on another stellar Rugby season! Keep it up!
Gotta laugh at all of the whiny, jealous Utah fans trying to marginalize
BYU's Rugby National Championships.Remind us the last time Utah
won a national championship in anything besides COED skiing, a sport so
insignificant at the collegiate level, that only 4 FBS schools participate -
Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, and New Mexico.
Congrats! How awesome.
As usual there are some over the top BYU fans here.Men's Rugby
is not governed by the NCAA or any other collegiate governing entity. If you
don't believe me then go to both the Rugby USA and NCAA websites. BYU
won rugby titles in a club sport, not a recognized NCAA sport. You are welcome
to keep imagining your rugby titles belong in the same category as recognized
NCAA titles BYU has won. Anyone outside of BYU land knows that is wishful
thinking.Now for what reason I don't know why, women's
rugby is recognized by the NCAA. Maybe in the near future men's will become
recognized as well.
UfanSalt Lake City, UTwacpaddledSince when is the NCAA
the end-all-be-all of national championship?Didn't the Red Rock
win half of their national championships in the NAIA, yet Utah still counts
those as national championships?The truth is, BYU's Rugby
national championship is just as meaningful, maybe even more so, than
Utah's Coed Skiing Championships,Do you realize that there are
only FOUR FBS programs that compete in skiing - Utah, Colorado, New Mexico and
Wyoming?BYU plays far more PAC 12 schools in Rugby, than Utah
competes against in skiing.None of your jealous whining is going to
change the fact that:_______________What is the NAIA?
It's a collegiate governing sports body. Yes Utah can count those, because
they won them and are recognized as college titles.None of your
jealous whining is going to change the fact that:Rugby USA IS NOT
the NAIA, D2, D3 or the NCAA. Rugby titles are not valid collegiate titles.Skiing is a recognized NCAA sport. Get over it. FBS has nothing to
do with it. There are three NCAA divisions. The NCAA holds a combined,
all-division championship to award an NCAA title.
@ LonestarRunnerThe Red Rocks count their nine NCAA championships,
and their one AIAW championship. All 10 are national titles, but they are
@ WACPaddingOurScheduleLike others have said, just because the NCAA
doesn't have a national NCAA champion, doesn't mean a national
championship exists. Here out west, college hockey tends to be a
club sport also. It goes back into "equality" and Title 9. As soon as
enough ladies wish to play hockey out here in the west, or as soon as they start
playing rugby, then there will be a fighting chance for and "NCAA National
CAl has been a great rugby team for decades. It is nice to see BYU starting to
enter that Cal Legacy. Utah has a pretty good rugby team also. I do notice the
don't play some of the teams that BYU plays. Everyone has some weakness in
their rugby schedule. Notice how BYU has also played, for several years,the
champion of the other rugby college association league and defeats them also.
Clemson, Texas, Notre Dame, Penn State and many others are in their league. I
have never seen any of them play BYU or Cal. Utah plays BYU every year. It has
been a long time since Utah won that match. Usually really lopsided. Congrats to
BYU for their three in three years. Here is hoping that Utah can also step up to
better things in Rugby. They did win their first tournament match against Air
Force. Hey Utah, come and join the Mens Volleyball league, it is the best in the
Great win Cougs. Anyone know why they never show rugby anymore on BYUtv? They
haven't since they switched to the Varsity Cup. Is this a broadcast rights
issue, or a decision by BYUtv not to broadcasts the games?
Way to go boys. Love to follow your great play. Congrats!
Isn't it great in the past week that two of BYU's men athletic
programs competed for two national championships....unfortunately only one
prevailed while the volleyball team had to beat a great Stanford team for a
fourth time in a row....''Ufan was right and thank you for your
assessment of the overall situation...Go Cougars!
WACpadded,It only matters when your own team wins right? If they lose then
everyone conveniently doesn't care all of a sudden. CodyCougar,Someday you should give the U of U rugby team the "you
don't matter that much" speech. "I would still rather have football
wins than all those cup points." That's a bad trade for only 5 wins per
CodyCougarYou obviously don't follow volleyball if that's
your assessment of the BYU-Stanford game.I'd rather go bowling
every year, than sit home during bowl week polishing my SOS trophy.I
wonder what those look like? btw, does Utah count their NAIA
women's gymnastics championships?
If BYU counts Rugby as a championship, then UU gets to count all its snowshoe
championships. Neither is of much consequence and are only clubs sports, not
varsity sports. The mens v-ball team started reading it's own clippings
and laid an egg against Stanford, big lack of focus. Sure, the Cougs will toast
UU in all-sports Sears cup, but I would still rather have football wins than all
those cup points.
WACPaddingOurSchedulepocatello, ID"It's quite obvious
that nobody cares about BYU rugby other than BYU fans."Then why
did you bother reading the article? And then waste everyone's time when
you composed a comment??
wacpaddledSince when is the NCAA the end-all-be-all of national
championship?Didn't the Red Rock win half of their national
championships in the NAIA, yet Utah still counts those as national
championships?The truth is, BYU's Rugby national championship
is just as meaningful, maybe even more so, than Utah's Coed Skiing
Championships,Do you realize that there are only FOUR FBS programs
that compete in skiing - Utah, Colorado, New Mexico and Wyoming?BYU
plays far more PAC 12 schools in Rugby, than Utah competes against in skiing.None of your jealous whining is going to change the fact that:The BYU Cougars secured their 3rd consecutive National Rugby Title with a
victory over Cal.
As huge football and basketball fans of BYU, we really enjoyed watching this
game on television. I wish the men's volleyball team had faired as well.
Congratulations to the BYU Rugby team on winning the National Title. I'll
bet there were some sore bodies on both sides after that game. Rugged!Go Cougars!
National Champions. Nuff said.
BlueCougOrem, UTIt's quite obvious that BYU doesn't
need to be in the PAC 12 to win a national championship, and being in the PAC 12
has helped Utah win a national championship.____________Gotta love the inaccurate facts thrown out by BlueCoug and others. No need to
resort to number fudging to make BYUs success more that it actually is.Rugby IS NOT an official NCAA sport. It's governed by USA Rugby and
designated as a club sport.Yes BYU has a good rugby team. But
it's a club sport kind of like glorified intramural sports. BYU's titles in rugby are not official NCAA titles.It's
quite obvious that nobody cares about BYU rugby other than BYU fans. Rugby title
or not, you are still on the outside looking it at any official conference
Congrats to the Rugby team! That is awesome. Love the Rugby team.Too
bad the volleyball team wasn't quite able to pull it off against Stanford
for the 4th time this year earlier this week or BYU could have potentially won
two national championships today.Go Cougars!
Well done gentlemen. A great win against a great opponent. Hoist the trophy
and raise the banner.
BYU is the new king of this college sport. Cal now bows to BYU as they are the
new kings and show no signs of stepping down any time soon. Beating Dartmouth,
Navy, and Cal to win it all? That is impressive!Coming to BYU later
this month and can't wait to see all these National Championships trophies
in those glass cases. Blue, if the Cougarettes can be considered a
sport, then that is several more!
I'd like to see a stat on time of possession and how much of that time was
in the opponents side of the field. There was way too much of the game being
played in BYU's 50, but the defense handled it really well and the offense
did a great job of capitalizing on Cal's mistakes.
I understand that the state of Utah is a Rugby hotbed. Sadly I've never
seen a match, but congrats to the Cougars for the win!
Great game...great execution by the Cougars. It was BYU's defense that
pulled off the win. Cal is a high-scoring team---but nothing was going up the
middle: big kudos to the front. Love that rugby is getting huge in this state.
Fun to see Herriman win earlier. As for the PAC 12 debate? No, nobody wants
rugby to be part of an already aligned conference. The only downer to a great
victory are the BYU fans who don't know the game, don't know the
history, don't know the rules, and don't know that rugby, unlike any
other sport, is a gentleman's game. And that means trash talking is really
bad form (and that goes for Chris B, too. We true Ute fans don't claim
him).Cal won something like 12 National Championships in a row. Nice
to see the dynasty shift. Utah beat Cal for the National championship a few
years ago in 7s. St. Mary's also beat Cal this year...would have been nice
to have a true National tournament; but I think it would have ended the same.
BYU is unbeatable this year. Well done.
Great game fellas. Chris when have the Utes won a championship in any sport?
@ Eddie - BYU was not playing against the pac 12. They were playing against each
other (as same conferance) called VARSITY CUP leauge. Good game POLY
Must be nice for Pac 12 "territory" to finally witness a championship of
any kind (excluding ladies' gymnastics of course) BYU!!!!
Looks like BYU stole another National Championship from a PAC 12 school. Three
in a row! Wow, it kind of makes one wonder about who really brings the National
spotlight to an area.
Congratulations to BYU Rugby on winning its 3rd straight National Championship,
and 4th National Championship in the last 6 years.National
Championships this Century:BYU - 8Utah - 1BYU Men's
Volleyball - 2 (2001, 2004)BYU Women's X-Country - 2 (2001, 2002)BYU Men's Rugby - 4 (2009, 2012, 2013, 2014)Utah
Men's/Women's Skiing - 1 (2003)It's quite obvious
that BYU doesn't need to be in the PAC 12 to win a national championship,
and being in the PAC 12 has helped Utah win a national championship.In case you were wondering, it's been 20 years since the Red Rocks won a
Great match. Congrats to two outstanding teams in the Varsity Cup Championship.
Go Cougars. Congratulations. That is fantastic.
Wow, congrats Cougars! With the Bears having so many national titles
no one ever thought Cal would be challenged except occasionally. It is amazing
that BYU has been able to do this three years in a row!
Good strong game by the Cougars! Add another National Championship to the trophy
case.Gooooooo Couuugarrrrs !
Maybe this will get you guys a call from us or the Big 12.But
don't hold your breath