@10CCYou are absolutely spot on correct. I was going to cite your
examples, but already beat me to it. I don't need to say more. It is a
reflection of the Evangelical strongholds, in certain geographical areas of our
country. I had been "victimized" by this in more than one way, so far in
my lifetime. I am still working on forgiveness toward certain individuals who
affected me. Some of the readers must live in a bubble and never had to
experience bigotry by a majority religion, (and for those who unfortunately had
experience the same treatment as a non LDS person in Utah, parts of Idaho,
Arizona, or any other majority LDS area). However, as a convert to the LDS
faith, I have witnessed much more acceptance of the LDS people towards their non
member acquaintances than vice versa, such as the Evangelicals.
@TA1 No it doesn't.It does NOT mean freedom from
religion.It just means you are also free to publically voice your
beliefs and conscience without any limitation or reprisal from government.
@10ccIf my high school student came home after hearing a prayer at a
football game and said he/she wanted to go to church with their friends, I
certainly wouldn't stop them...just as I wouldn't force them to go to
Sacrament meeting. I raised 4 teenagers, never forced any of them to go to
Sacrament meeting, had a couple of them go to other churches with their friends.
At the end of the day they all decided the could best be disciples of their
Savior by going to the temple and remaining in the restored Gospel.
Interestingly enough, a couple of their friends whose churches they attended
decided they'd try early morning seminary...they too chose the Temple and
the restored Gospel. Can't understand why anyone would be afraid of
allowing someone to compare the Gospel to the other options out there.The same is true with your example of the teacher. I heard a lot of things in
school I ultimately decided were not true. Part of education is learning how to
evaluate the things we hear, at school, at church, or on the internet and
determine which are true.
Let's roll:Like you, I'm not offended by somebody praying
for me to come worship a certain way. But if your high school
student came home and announced they heard the prayer at the football game, and
based on a prompting, wanted to stop going to sacrament meeting and wanted to go
to an Evangelical rivalvry with their friends, instead, you might object to the
explicit mixing of religion and education in public school, such as the science
teacher quoting scripture to explain why the material in the textbook is wrong.
Freedom to practice our faith (religion) also means freedom from religion. We
are allowed to practice our faith as we see fit, but we are not allowed to force
others to listen to us in a scenario where we have control or undue influence.
It is sad when minority groups govern...when for the sake of religious freedom
majority is denied to be religious.Where is the right of the faithful to
be who they really are?Why the minorities have become so intollerant?Why the values countries were built upon have to be destroed just because a
few do not like them?Why being politically correct resembles more lying
than truth?Why can't we live and let live"
I'd suggest any Mormon who feels offended by a prayer offered by someone of
another faith and has an impulse to call the ACLU read, and reread, the 11th
Article of Faith until the impulse subsides. BTW, that prayer doesn't
offend me in the least.Also, with all due respect @Henry Drummond, I
suspect it's been a while since you've been in a college classroom.
Professors taking time to share their political positions happens every day on
every campus. May be somewhat less often in an Engineering class, but let's
just say I was keenly aware of the political views of my Civil Engineering prof
well before I took the final.And football coaches are all about
relationships...they should want to know you and what makes you tick and want
you to know them, so they know your concern for them is genuine. It's
easier to know how best to motivate someone if you know them well. You
can't really know a person of faith until you understand something about
If I am hired to teach Engineering courses and then decide to use some of that
time to promote my personal political beliefs I suspect it would not be long
before someone complained. I wouldn't matter if they agreed with my ideas
or not, the point is that they're paying tuition to learn about Engineering
not politics. Why would personal religious beliefs be any different?
To "impose" something on someone implies the use of force. Not one of
these players had anything imposed upon them. Simply mentioning some religious
topic in a totally voluntary setting is not imposing anyone's religion on
anyone else. Religion is a viable subject to discuss. If you feel imposed upon
if someone simply mentions a religious topic just walk away you don't have
Why must some people try to impose their religion on everybody else. Live your
religion as you see fit but, mind your own business, leave the rest of us out of
The aforementioned examples by 10CC especially at the AFA are wrong. It IMO sounds like Swinney is not 'destroying walls' so to speak. As
long, he remembers he is a public employee & continues w/ his current
approach then no worries.
Religious influences at public schools can and have gone too far, repeatedly.
At the Air Force Academy the commandante held evangelical meetings
at his home, handing out plum assignments to cadets who were evangelical...
which excluded Jews, Mormons, etc. This extended into the football program,
where the head football coach had a large sign above his office that said
"Team Jesus".In Texas at a small town high school there was
an elected student body leadership position called the "school prayor",
who would offer pregame prayers before football games. It became too much when
the "prayor" called on God to soften the hearts of the school's
Catholic and Mormon students, so that they might see the light and come to know
Jesus in the only acceptable way... the evangelical way.The Catholic
and Mormon families called the ACLU.