"... and discussed opportunities for partnering on religious freedom
initiatives,"---Translation: Lets find ways to work
together to violate the civil rights of LGBT Americans (and THEIR religious
freedom as well).
Ha ha. The LDS Church has a declining growth rate... That's good one.
When Christ was a I've His Churches growth rate declined as he got closer
to death. He had many reject and deny him in the last days. History may repeat
it self before He comes again. This way he weeds out those with weak
testimonies. It is also away that come judgment day he is justified in his
I think the masses are becoming more informed and that's caused the growth
rate to slow substantially and that's why even with many more missionaires
the number of converts isn't changing nearly as much. With widespread
communication and the ease of obtaining information with the internet, its easy
to have a laundry list of things to talk about when the missionaires come to the
door - that's what I do. And any church that refuses to talk about key
points of their religion such as the temple - that's a red flag.
I applaud this new alliance between the LDS Church and Seventh Day Adventist
Church. I think we have much in common and that this is a great opportunity to
join forces to combat those influences in America that would weaken our
Religious Liberties and First Freedoms! Oh to SLCDENIZEN, you stated
"emptying pews throughout the Salt Lake Valley". I certainly
haven't seen any of that in the Churches I am familiar with. I hope this
war the Gay community is waging on religion will subside over time and we can
strive to find some common ground (not agreement on every issue) but find a way
to be good neighbors and respect the legitimate rights and concerns of each side
of the discussion.
The Church is not declining. It is one of the fastest growing Churches in the
world. We have to finish two chapels a day to keep up with our growth. We are
building temples all over the world.I'm afraid that some people
are buying into the anti-Mormon propaganda and disinformation that is spread
across the internet.
@bj-hp"That is because the doctrines and Gospel have not changed
as some of the other Christian Sects have"They changed a major
doctrine 36 years ago and this year attributed it's existence to the
bigotry of the leaders. Major doctrine, this year. I'm not sure the reason
you are accusing me of not paying attention.@CougarBlue1Declining rates of new members is different from declining membership. Two
million increase in ten years from thirteen to fifteen can be largely attributed
to internal growth. They recently announced the hold on building new temples.
Emptying pews throughout the Salt Lake Valley. An almost doubling of the
missionary force, with baptisms remaining stagnant. Source for declining rates
of new members and subscribers? Trinity College American Religious
Identification Survey. To properly consider the membership of a church,
it's best to have individuals respond as to which religion they subscribe.
If there are six million members in the US according to church records, why are
they not identifying as such?
@Cougar Blue I and bj-hpHe didn't say the church was shrinking in
population he said the growth rate was declining. So if the church is gaining 1%
a year rather than 2% it used to, that's a declining growth rate. (I
don't know what the actual numbers are to know if he's right or wrong,
but I'm pretty sure it's been roughly flat for a decade).
I thought Loma Linda CA was their Salt Lake City, Not Maryland.
The Seventh Day Adventist are great people. I've attended BYU as well as
Loma Linda U. and felt right at home with the Seventh Day Adventist. Honestly
when I was with SDA philipino church group once it felt like I was back at BYU -
HC. They have such a great medical mission tradition and do so much good in the
world. If I didn't believe in the LDS church, I could easily see myself
becoming SDA. I think in this day and age when people of faith seem to be under
attack, its great that we can work together.
Religions are losing too many members fighting against each other so now they
realize that they have to band together to save society.
slcdenizen: I'm not sure who you are paying attention to but it has been
reported as of late that the missionaries of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter Day Saints are currently baptizing 1,500 converts per week. That
doesn't sound like a declining number. Also, if we were a Church other
than the Church of Jesus Christ I may actually agree but we are not. Our
membership is increasing and we are reactivating members as well. The Church of
Jesus Christ will never fill the entire earth but we will be all over the world.
We are currently able to reach into almost every country in the world through
the internet and social media sites. This will continue and in the end our
membership will continue to grow.The statements you have stated have
been said about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints since the very
beginning but it continues to grow. That is because the doctrines and Gospel
have not changed as some of the other Christian Sects have. This is the Lord,
Jesus Christ, Church and he is at its head. He reveals to his prophets what
needs to be done.
@ slcdenizen... You were joking in your post correct? Last time I checked the
church has over 15 million members. When I finished my mission 10 years ago it
was at 13 million. I wouldn't say we are decreasing in our membership. By
the way, please quote an official church source that backs up your claims. I
would be interested to see that.
RE: J.D. This is a good opportunity. There is a lot more in common between these
two groups than many might think.?Seventh Day Adventists core
beliefs are essential for salvation) Christian Beliefs. 1.That God is the
Sovereign Creator, upholder, and ruler of the universe, and that He is eternal,
omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. 2. That the Godhead, the Trinity,
comprises God the Father, Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit. 3. That the
Scriptures are the inspired revelation of God to men; and that the Bible is the
sole rule of faith and practice . 4. That Jesus Christ is very God, and that He
has existed with the Father from all eternity. 5. That man was created sinless,
but by his subsequent fall entered a state of alienation and depravity.
@scldenizen - The declining rate of LDS Church membership growth seems to only
apply among the living. With the proxy work progressing in the temples, Church
membership growth among dead may be exploding (depending upon how many of those
accept the gospel as spirits). You can't really count one without the
other, and we just don't have reliable statistics for the other.
@ Ironmomo1. Declining rates of new members2. Declining rates
of activation3. Lofty goal of converting the world, not even keeping pace
with America's growth rate (also declining)Sorry, I certainly
don't hope for the demise of a great religion like mormonism. But the
writing is on the wall. Either mormons need to have increasingly higher
birthrates as well as increasing the number who remain in the fold, or they will
go the way of the rest of the world's organized religions. They could
potentially triple the number of adherents overnight if they dispelled a few
quirky beliefs and focused more on promoting secular values like honesty,
charity, and pacifism. You know, Jesus stuff.
@ denizen.....who said it was declining?
The church is finally utilizing the successful charactistics of it's
leaders. Many of whom retired after fruitful careers in medicine, business, and
politics. The best way to change the direction of a declining brand is to
attempt a type of collusion with another declining brand and gain some market
This is a good opportunity. There is allot more in common between these two
groups than many might think.