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Published: Friday, May 2 2014 1:20 p.m. MDT

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J.D.
Aurora, CO

This is a good opportunity. There is allot more in common between these two groups than many might think.

slcdenizen
t-ville, UT

The church is finally utilizing the successful charactistics of it's leaders. Many of whom retired after fruitful careers in medicine, business, and politics. The best way to change the direction of a declining brand is to attempt a type of collusion with another declining brand and gain some market share together.

Ironmomo
Ogden, UT

@ denizen.....who said it was declining?

slcdenizen
t-ville, UT

@ Ironmomo

1. Declining rates of new members
2. Declining rates of activation
3. Lofty goal of converting the world, not even keeping pace with America's growth rate (also declining)

Sorry, I certainly don't hope for the demise of a great religion like mormonism. But the writing is on the wall. Either mormons need to have increasingly higher birthrates as well as increasing the number who remain in the fold, or they will go the way of the rest of the world's organized religions. They could potentially triple the number of adherents overnight if they dispelled a few quirky beliefs and focused more on promoting secular values like honesty, charity, and pacifism. You know, Jesus stuff.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

@scldenizen - The declining rate of LDS Church membership growth seems to only apply among the living. With the proxy work progressing in the temples, Church membership growth among dead may be exploding (depending upon how many of those accept the gospel as spirits). You can't really count one without the other, and we just don't have reliable statistics for the other.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: J.D. This is a good opportunity. There is a lot more in common between these two groups than many might think.?

Seventh Day Adventists core beliefs are essential for salvation) Christian Beliefs. 1.That God is the Sovereign Creator, upholder, and ruler of the universe, and that He is eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. 2. That the Godhead, the Trinity, comprises God the Father, Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit. 3. That the Scriptures are the inspired revelation of God to men; and that the Bible is the sole rule of faith and practice . 4. That Jesus Christ is very God, and that He has existed with the Father from all eternity. 5. That man was created sinless, but by his subsequent fall entered a state of alienation and depravity.

Cougar Blue 1
Henderson , NV

@ slcdenizen... You were joking in your post correct? Last time I checked the church has over 15 million members. When I finished my mission 10 years ago it was at 13 million. I wouldn't say we are decreasing in our membership. By the way, please quote an official church source that backs up your claims. I would be interested to see that.

bj-hp
Maryville, MO

slcdenizen: I'm not sure who you are paying attention to but it has been reported as of late that the missionaries of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are currently baptizing 1,500 converts per week. That doesn't sound like a declining number. Also, if we were a Church other than the Church of Jesus Christ I may actually agree but we are not. Our membership is increasing and we are reactivating members as well. The Church of Jesus Christ will never fill the entire earth but we will be all over the world. We are currently able to reach into almost every country in the world through the internet and social media sites. This will continue and in the end our membership will continue to grow.

The statements you have stated have been said about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints since the very beginning but it continues to grow. That is because the doctrines and Gospel have not changed as some of the other Christian Sects have. This is the Lord, Jesus Christ, Church and he is at its head. He reveals to his prophets what needs to be done.

LovelyDeseret
Gilbert, AZ

Religions are losing too many members fighting against each other so now they realize that they have to band together to save society.

cmsense
Kaysville, UT

The Seventh Day Adventist are great people. I've attended BYU as well as Loma Linda U. and felt right at home with the Seventh Day Adventist. Honestly when I was with SDA philipino church group once it felt like I was back at BYU - HC. They have such a great medical mission tradition and do so much good in the world. If I didn't believe in the LDS church, I could easily see myself becoming SDA. I think in this day and age when people of faith seem to be under attack, its great that we can work together.

NeilT
Clearfield, UT

I thought Loma Linda CA was their Salt Lake City, Not Maryland.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Cougar Blue I and bj-hp
He didn't say the church was shrinking in population he said the growth rate was declining. So if the church is gaining 1% a year rather than 2% it used to, that's a declining growth rate. (I don't know what the actual numbers are to know if he's right or wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's been roughly flat for a decade).

slcdenizen
Murray, UT

@bj-hp

"That is because the doctrines and Gospel have not changed as some of the other Christian Sects have"

They changed a major doctrine 36 years ago and this year attributed it's existence to the bigotry of the leaders. Major doctrine, this year. I'm not sure the reason you are accusing me of not paying attention.

@CougarBlue1

Declining rates of new members is different from declining membership. Two million increase in ten years from thirteen to fifteen can be largely attributed to internal growth. They recently announced the hold on building new temples. Emptying pews throughout the Salt Lake Valley. An almost doubling of the missionary force, with baptisms remaining stagnant. Source for declining rates of new members and subscribers? Trinity College American Religious Identification Survey. To properly consider the membership of a church, it's best to have individuals respond as to which religion they subscribe. If there are six million members in the US according to church records, why are they not identifying as such?

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

The Church is not declining. It is one of the fastest growing Churches in the world. We have to finish two chapels a day to keep up with our growth. We are building temples all over the world.

I'm afraid that some people are buying into the anti-Mormon propaganda and disinformation that is spread across the internet.

Meckofahess
Salt Lake City, UT

I applaud this new alliance between the LDS Church and Seventh Day Adventist Church. I think we have much in common and that this is a great opportunity to join forces to combat those influences in America that would weaken our Religious Liberties and First Freedoms! Oh to SLCDENIZEN, you stated "emptying pews throughout the Salt Lake Valley". I certainly haven't seen any of that in the Churches I am familiar with. I hope this war the Gay community is waging on religion will subside over time and we can strive to find some common ground (not agreement on every issue) but find a way to be good neighbors and respect the legitimate rights and concerns of each side of the discussion.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

I think the masses are becoming more informed and that's caused the growth rate to slow substantially and that's why even with many more missionaires the number of converts isn't changing nearly as much. With widespread communication and the ease of obtaining information with the internet, its easy to have a laundry list of things to talk about when the missionaires come to the door - that's what I do. And any church that refuses to talk about key points of their religion such as the temple - that's a red flag.

gwtchd
Mountain Village, AK

When Christ was a I've His Churches growth rate declined as he got closer to death. He had many reject and deny him in the last days. History may repeat it self before He comes again. This way he weeds out those with weak testimonies. It is also away that come judgment day he is justified in his judgements.

Victor
Mclean, VA

Ha ha. The LDS Church has a declining growth rate... That's good one.

Ranch
Here, UT

"... and discussed opportunities for partnering on religious freedom initiatives,"

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Translation: Lets find ways to work together to violate the civil rights of LGBT Americans (and THEIR religious freedom as well).

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