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  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    May 6, 2014 10:06 a.m.

    @NavalVet

    Are you STILL harping about this issue? Every reliable source (ESPN, Yahoo) was reporting the PAC expansion being Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, OSU, Colorado, and Texas A&M. None of them reported Utah as being a candidate until the Big 12 expansion ideas fell apart, and then Utah's name was brought up by ESPN as being a "back-up plan".

    The only thing that Chip Brown said was that IF Texas A&M backed out of the deal and went to the SEC (which they didn't, they ended up staying in the Big XII for a year before leaving), then Utah would be next-in-line. Hardly a "shoo-in", since it was conditional on A&M, and remember this is coming from the same guy who said that Notre Dame's olympic sports would be joining the Big XII.

    I think I'm going to stick with ESPN on this one, but you go ahead and cling to your fantasy all you want. I think you're the only one in the country who believes that, but I've always praised the Utah "man" (or is it "fan") for being the most imaginative/delusional of college fans :)

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 6, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    MP:
    Ok I see where you got 36, but as NV pointed out it's actually 42 with 14 teams. And, in the off chance the SEC includes BYU it will be 56 opportunities.

    I think this is just a PR move by Holmoe that has been blown up into something it isn't...a big story. BYU has played ONE SEC team in the Bronco era. It is interesting to me that Slive is setting up a meeting with Holmoe. As someone else mentioned, if he were set and didn't really care he would have simply stated, here's the rule including ND and there are no exceptions. At least he's willing to listen, but if think in the end he says the rule is established and there won't be exceptions. Doesn't change a thing for BYU in reality, so your question as to why Holmoe is doing this?...good question. I think it's just PR to establish BYU as a national program.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 5, 2014 10:33 p.m.

    MyPerspective:

    "If Holmoe truly wants to schedule an SEC opponent, he is free to do so. He has 36 opportunities every year."

    Correction: the Y has 42 opportunities every year to do so. Don't forget...the SEC is now a 14-team league.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 5, 2014 10:30 p.m.

    Truth Machine:

    As had already been proven in these threads, if Texas and Oklahoma had said yes, the 6 teams invited to the Pac-10 would have been Texas, Tx. Tech, Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado, and Utah. Chip Brown reported that the Pac-10 didn't really want Okla. St. and in edging them out of the deal, they were looking toward Kansas. Utah was already a shoo-in.

    Doesn't that just break your heart?

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 5, 2014 8:40 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs
    West Point , UT

    The SEC is going to require 1 game against a Big 5 team leaving byu-provo with 36 opportunities each year to play an SEC team, not 48. Holmoe is groveling to Slive and for what? Slive will simply point out to Holmoe that he has plenty of opportunity to play SEC teams and does not need an exception to do so.

    True, other leagues (Pac-12 and BIG10) are already playing 9 games and will not likely change that formula. If they change that formula, byu-provo will still be playing anyone they want all over the country, right? That's what you people are told. If that's true, what is Holmoe worried about?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 5, 2014 1:11 p.m.

    This really isn't an issue except to people that want to spit and throw mud at each other. As Naval Vet, and MyPerspective pointed out SEC teams still have 4 OOC games (not 3 as MP was stating). The SEC plays 8 conference games and only has this rule because other leagues are playing 9. Not really that important in the grand scheme of things. What would be devastating was if other conferences made this rule despite playing 9 conference games. Then BYU would be in trouble.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 5, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    On the outside, looking in:

    Bowl Week
    BYU - IN
    Utah - out

    NCAA Tournament
    BYU - IN
    Utah - out

    btw, if the mighty weak Utes can't even handle a 9-game power conference schedule; what make's you think U could handle a 10-game schedule?

    Instead of worrying about BYU's SOS, maybe you should worry more about your own lack of competitiveness against a stronger schedule - 4-5, 3-6, 2-9, 9-18 overall.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2014 7:19 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson
    Sandy, Utah

    "It seems BYU is very desperate and facing the reality that they will be on the outside looking in."

    byu-provo is already on the outside looking in. They have been since the Utes moved to the big time and Holmoe was desperate to do something...anything to make it look like he was in control. Holmoe will be groveling at the feet of Slive. If Holmoe really wants to play an SEC team, he has 36 opportunities to do so in any given year. Playing an SEC team is not the issue, here. Holmoe is using Slive in the same manner he attempted to use Utah St. The MWC saw through the ruse and Holmoe's efforts back fired in epic proportions. We will soon see just how smart Slive is.

    With the SEC requiring at least one OOC game against a Big 5 opponent, the Pac-12 and Big10 will not be far behind. Accordingly, the ACC will also be forced to take the same approach to stay in the playoff discussion with the SEC. I would not be surprised if Slive seeks input from the other 4 conference commissioners before meeting with Holmoe.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    May 3, 2014 1:44 p.m.

    "Can BYU receive a scheduling exception with the SEC?"

    It seems BYU is very desperate and facing the reality that they will be on the outside looking in.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    continued...

    I'm sure Slive recognizes that ND is, in fact, a partial member of a Big 5 conference which does, in fact, include them in the Big 5 discussion. Every SEC team now has 3 OOC games to schedule as they see fit. If Holmoe truly wants to schedule an SEC opponent, he is free to do so. He has 36 opportunities every year. Slive needs to be very careful about how he proceeds here. Once the exception game begins, we will be right back where are right now and frankly, the Big 5 have worked too hard to give up the separation that is beginning to take place.

    Holmoe doesn't want the SEC. Holmoe wants the validation that the SEC can give byu-provo. Holmoe's eye remains steadfast on the prize...inclusion in the Pac-12 and he will use the SEC and anyone else necessary to get it.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    It would be in the SEC's best interest to include byu and all the independents including Army and Navy (aren't Idaho and New Mexico State also independent?) as a big 5 conference. That way, the SEC still gets guaranteed wins against byu, Army, and Navy and can check the box on the Big 5 requirement. That arrangement would complement the current cupcake OOC games the SEC is well known for.

    On the other hand, Slive would be well advised to recognize that Holmoe has never shown any interest whatsoever in scheduling SEC teams until now. Slive should be asking "why?" Then he will see first hand byu's well deserved reputation of manipulation (see Utah St and MWC) and then falling back on the victim card when byu doesn't get what they want (see conference realignment).

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 2, 2014 9:42 p.m.

    Lifelong Ute
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Well, you may be wise to hold the crow too.

    Your tender, charitable sentiments remind me of the old advice, "Lord, make my words soft, tender and sweet, for tomorrow I may have to eat them."

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    May 2, 2014 9:13 p.m.

    As I've stated before, I attended both the Y and the U and am a fan of both.

    I pay little attention to the silly banter between the fan bases. Lots of puffery, very little objectivity.

    Fact is the glass is half full (or half empty) for both programs. BYU would clearly trade places with the U with its membership in the PAC-12 and benefit from the stability and predictability that would come with that membership.

    Utah is in the PAC-12 but is struggling to be relevant. I, like all Utah fans, enjoy being able to play a PAC-12 schedule, but am still waiting for the U to play its first meaningful game in the PAC-12. The Y will have more meaningful games against the PAC-12 (final 4 v Stanford in VB and championship game v. Cal in Rugby) over a 30 day period than Utah has had since it joined the PAC (the Red Rocks are a pleasant exception).

    My hope is that the trajectory for both programs will continue upward...there is certainly room for improvement.

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    May 2, 2014 7:55 p.m.

    Y grad

    "If Mr. Slive tells Tom, " Um, thanks...", then I fear that would indeed be a major, and perhaps irrecoverable, setback to independence. That would precipitate an intolerable barrage of forced crow-eating by BYU fans everywhere"

    And Ute nation will NEVER stop feeding it to you. Get used to it. Its soon going to set in stone as the divide grows even greater that byu is not part of the future of college football.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 2, 2014 6:58 p.m.

    Mormon Ute
    Kaysville, UT

    "Tom Holmoe is clearly worried, otherwise he wouldn't be talking to Slive at all. That's because he knows SOS is critical to getting where BYU wants to be. If BYU gets shut out of games with the power conferences, that national title will only be a pipe dream. I truly feel bad for BYU fans. Independence is rough."

    On this we are agreed, and reasonably so at that. Scheduling was tough before, being shut out would only make it tougher. But please hold on the condolences, at least until after the meeting.

    If BYU is given an exception, odds of which I figure about 1 in 3, then the job just got easier and BYU just got a better than average endorsement.

    If Mr. Slive tells Tom, " Um, thanks...", then I fear that would indeed be a major, and perhaps irrecoverable, setback to independence. That would precipitate an intolerable barrage of forced crow-eating by BYU fans everywhere.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    May 2, 2014 5:27 p.m.

    Tomahawk Red

    Yes, PAC 12 fans love having Utah for cannon fodder - U even helped Washington State qualify for a bowl for the first time in years.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    May 2, 2014 5:15 p.m.

    Ekute

    "CougarSunDevil,
    I find it funny that cougar/sun devil comes to a byu article to comment about Utah."

    What's funny is utahs football record against ASU. What's hilarious is utah fans claim to be so superior yet can't even make a bowl.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 2, 2014 4:31 p.m.

    Another article about a promising BYU recruit and another rash of desperate spam from the crimson bubble.

    It's laughable that the kids on the hill spend more time trying to marginalize every BYU recruit and opponent than they do worrying about their own team.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    May 2, 2014 4:29 p.m.

    Tom Holmoe is clearly worried, otherwise he wouldn't be talking to Slive at all. That's because he knows SOS is critical to getting where BYU wants to be. If BYU gets shut out of games with the power conferences, that national title will only be a pipe dream. I truly feel bad for BYU fans. Independence is rough.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    May 2, 2014 4:29 p.m.

    navelvet

    "Fact is, Utah was added to the Pac10 because Texas and Oklahoma said 'no.'."

    Absolutely true. If Texas and Oklahoma had said yes, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State, the rest of the Big 12 South would have tagged along and the Utes would never have been invited.

    Utah was nothing more than the fall-back plan after Colorado was hastily invited, to shut Baylor out of the deal; then Texas A&M backed out of the PAC 10/Big 12 South merger, and the PAC needed one more warm body from a nearby, decent-sized television market, and Utah fit the bill culturally and academically, if not athletically.

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    May 2, 2014 3:58 p.m.

    Pac 12 Pride/Ken/Chris B.

    Are there any Utah "fans" capable of just have a respectful and coherent discussion about football?

    My statement
    "BYU is a quality opponent but does not match up well against good competition,"

    Regardless of your hatred/fascination with everything to do with BYU, the fact is that BYU is a national brand of football, and has consistently fielded quality (good but not great) teams in the past and will continue to do so. But past records show that BYU rarely beats teams from "Power" conferences, especially on the road. So honestly, why wouldn't each of the P5 conferences give BYU an exception? BYU instantly adds a winnable, credible, and quality game that will almost guarantee a boost in SOS for teams wanting a playoff birth.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 2, 2014 3:54 p.m.

    I really don't see what all the fuss here is. The SEC is only requiring ONE game vs. a Power 5 conference school; not all 4. They still get 3 other games vs. weak SOS midmajors. Just look at all those FCS, Sun Belt, and C-USA teams they face annually. And it really isn't as if the cougars had been poking around the SEC too much to find many games. They prefer weaker opponents...like C-USA and the AAC.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 2, 2014 3:50 p.m.

    ekute:

    "I find it funny that cougar/sun devil comes to a byu article to comment about Utah."

    That's most likely because he isn't a "real" Sun Devil, but rather a cougar fan who went to high school somewhere in the Phoenix metropolitan area. As a coug, he can't trash talk his big brother, so he has to glom onto some other "elite conference" program to do it. We've been seeing a lot of that ever since that fateful June 2010 announcement wherein we were "Fully Invited"...

    ...and they'd been fully rejected.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 2, 2014 3:47 p.m.

    Obama10:

    "Fact is, Utah was added to the Pac10 because Texas and Oklahoma said 'no.'."

    Nope. The "fact is" that's just some cougar folklore myth that had already been proven false. However, what isn't folklore, is that you weren't wanted by any "elite" conference in the country, and that still wrecks your psyche. Too bad for you.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    May 2, 2014 3:41 p.m.

    Tajemnica
    West Valley, Utah

    Personally as a USC fan, a BYU neutral, and a utah hater

    ----------

    BYU neutral. Ha ha that's rich. You're a BYU fan posing as a USC fan in the weak attempt to paint some credibility to the notion that somehow by-and-large the Pac 12 doesn't like Utah in the conference.

    You're just a poser still insanely bitter that BYU is still the subject of these types of mid-major angst sports articles.

    I'm not sorry to burst your little bubble, but by-and-large, every program in the Pac 12, every coach in the Pac 12, most fans in the Pac 12, and the head of the Pac 12 all like the addition of Utah. And that just burns you up, don't it?

    Meanwhile you're outside, face pressed up against the glass, looking in at the big boys play. And you sit and wait outside... the lone person waiting in a one-man line... desperately hoping that someone will come open the door for you and let you come inside.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    May 2, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    BYU is certainly one of the best programs that are not in one of the Big 5 conferences. I hope the SEC gives them the chance to play its teams in the future.

  • ArgoFY Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 2, 2014 2:57 p.m.

    chequer:

    With so many accomplishments and a tradition rich history, why is Holmoe having to grovel for a scheduling exception with the SEC? Good luck finding that nut.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    May 2, 2014 2:57 p.m.

    Here's an interesting quote, conveniently left out of the Deseret News article, that was included in the ESPN article about this same topic. From Stewart Mandel at Sports Illustrated:

    "The real loser in this is BYU. I was all for its independence experiment four years ago, but I could have never foretold how much the landscape surrounding the Cougars would change. They are probably better off as an independent than they would've been had they remained in the now-depleted Mountain West. But despite their 64,000-seat stadium, their semi-recent national title (1984) and their Heisman Trophy ('90), they are not considered of the caliber of programs in the five major conferences."

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 2, 2014 2:25 p.m.

    Rose Bowl call yet?

    "Why would our jealous little brothers on the hill even care if BYU gets an exemption from the SEC? Utah hasn't scheduled a regular season game against an SEC team since 1984."

    The panic attack on the hill is curious considering Utah has only played TWO SEC teams in the last THIRTY years!

    Not only that, an SEC team has NEVER played in that tiny little stadium on the hill.

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    May 2, 2014 2:18 p.m.

    ArgoFY

    "If Utah is "a blind squirrel finding a random nut on occasion," then BYU most certainly is a blind squirrel that never found the nut in the first place, and has subsequently starved to death."

    There are two iconic trophies that represent the pinnacle of individual and team success in major college football - the Heisman Trophy and the Crystal Football National Championship Trophy.

    BYU's Legacy Hall of Fame proudly displays both trophies.
    Utah's trophy case is bereft of any hint of such lofty achievements.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    May 2, 2014 1:36 p.m.

    BYU is still a good draw for a power 5 conf and will still fit into many schools' schedules. They are also attractive due to their flexibility on scheduling.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 2, 2014 1:17 p.m.

    If the SEC rules against BYU, what's the big loss? BYU doesn't put that many Big5 teams on the schedule, so that bowl eligibility is protected. At most, BYU would play one SEC school a year, and its going to be Ole Miss or Kentucky, not an Alabama or LSU.

  • ArgoFY Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 2, 2014 1:15 p.m.

    @ CougarSunDevil:

    If Utah is "a blind squirrel finding a random nut on occasion," then byu most certainly is a blind squirrel that never found the nut in the first place, and has subsequently starved to death.

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    May 2, 2014 12:57 p.m.

    Tajemnica

    I am a byu fan and dislike most of what Chris says, but he's right about the other schools possibly coming after exceptions as well. You are incorrect in your assessment of that.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    May 2, 2014 12:50 p.m.

    Good luck Tom Holmoe. Do we need to read what his name at first two comments by this same person above and some others? Anyway, if something don't go well then the big 5 football going down the hill. I don't care about any Pro Sport Leauges and possible ncaa (oh wait Big5).

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 2, 2014 12:43 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil,
    I find it funny that cougar/sun devil comes to a byu article to comment about Utah.

  • peacemaker Provo, UT
    May 2, 2014 12:38 p.m.

    chris B

    Nice for BYU to qualify for bowl games regardless of what their schedule is. Hopefully Utah will reach that level in the future. BYU fans are enjoying the seasons and love going to or watching those yearly bowl games.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    May 2, 2014 12:33 p.m.

    I love all of the "what if" games everyone "thinks" they know about the SEC and BYU. Fact is, college sports are changing and ADs and College Presidents only care about what will make them the most money. Fact is, Utah was added to the Pac10 because Texas and Oklahoma said "no". Since Larry Scott was getting ready to negotiate a big-time TV contract, he needed to expand the footprint of the PAC 10 to maximize the contract so he added Utah and Colorado. Utah and Colorado were added for their TV market, not what they had done on the field. I guess being 2nd choice is still better than no choice, as you are still in a Power5 conference, but please Utah fan (BYU Hater), stop acting like it was your accomplishments on the field, or your "great" tradition, or that "huge" 45,000 seat stadium that got you in the PAC 10. It was simple geography, TV sets, and money.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    May 2, 2014 12:25 p.m.

    Why would our jealous little brothers on the hill even care if BYU gets an exemption from the SEC?

    Utah hasn't scheduled a regular season game against an SEC team since 1984.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    May 2, 2014 12:10 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil,

    byu has many many years of similarly "weak schedules" as Utah's in 2004 and 2008. Why didn't you guys go BCS bowling ever?

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    May 2, 2014 12:05 p.m.

    I find it funny that more utah "fans" (BYU haters) are on this article than actual BYU fans. Further solidifying what I've said in the past, and what Tajemnica so eloquently stated, that utah doesn't belong in a power anything conference since they haven't done anything. Their weak schedule in 2004 & 2008 was nothing compared to what the PAC-12 and other conferences played that year. Since Utah joined the PAC, they have been exposed for the fraud they are. They were only good against MWC and WAC competition and are NO GOOD against PAC competition. Like a blind squirrel finding a random nut on occasion, utah get's lucky when a real college overlooks them (see Stanford). Other than that, they are a bottom dwelling team which leaves their fans only recourse to trash talk other schools outside their conference and celebrate conference membership rather than team success.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    May 2, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    BlackandBlue: Byu isn't quite the quality opponent byu fans think they are if they "match up" well against good competition. That's the worst spin from a byu fan I've ever heard.

    "We're good but we don't match up well with good teams especially on the road"

    Did you seriously just say that?

  • Pac 12 Pride Salt Lake, UT
    May 2, 2014 11:40 a.m.

    @BlackandBlue

    "BYU is a quality opponent but does not match up well against good competition,"

    Too funny. When a team doesn't match up against good competition, its because they aren't good.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 2, 2014 11:29 a.m.

    Yes, Chris, that is why Mr. Slive told Tom, "No, we really don't need to meet. There's nothing to say."

    Wait a minute? That isn't what he said? Oh, gosh, that's embarrassing.

    Maybe he'll tell BYU "Only games in SEC territory count. Games in Provo don't." Maybe we could arrange to play our home games with SEC opponents at Rice Eccles Stadium, so they would at least be visiting a Power 5 stadium. Utah fans could then expand their wardrobe to include jerseys from every BYU opponent.

    "I cheer for Utah and whoever is playing that team down south." Really, some of you don't cheer at all, you just rag on BYU.

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    May 2, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    Honestly, why wouldn't the SEC and every other P5 give BYU the Notre Dame exception? BYU has been flexible and willing to schedule anyone, including 2 for 1 series with elite programs. Half of the Pac-12 already have series scheduled with BYU as well as a couple schools from the BIG. And as much as I hate to say it, I think the Power 5 conferences should take advantage of the fact that BYU is a quality opponent but does not match up well against good competition, especially on the road.

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    May 2, 2014 11:14 a.m.

    I'm not sure what the outcome of the meeting will be, but I bet the BYU haters (Ute fans) will sure be sweatin it during the whole process. If the SEC does validate BYU as one of the premier programs worthy to schedule as a Power 5 team, the rest of the college football world will be hard pressed not to follow suit.

  • Where is Hadley? Salt Lake, UT
    May 2, 2014 11:04 a.m.

    @Tajmnecia:

    You're right the SEC is king. And when the SEC tells byu "no thanks" you're a mid-major and we'll treat you like the other mid-majors the other conferences will watch and follow suit. Just look at byu's schedule(3 power conference teams) in 2014. That'll probably the average byu gets going forward, which shows byu isn't nearly the draw byu thinks they are.

    GO UTES!

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    May 2, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    Tajemnica - @Lifelong ute is right, you missed the issue there if you think conference teams wouldn't still seek an exception. If a Boise or Fresno wanted to play an SEC team and an SEC team was interested in playing them, but only if the Boise/Fresno team would count as their big game outside of the conference, they would still need an exception. Otherwise, according to the current rules that SEC would STILL have to schedule a power conference team in addition to the Boise game, and that's precisely what the SEC teams don't want to do. They already play plenty of good teams, so they wouldn't be interested in adding a good Boise team AND then a mandated power conference school.

    Sorry, but you were way off if you think being in a conference negates any excpetion issues.

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    May 2, 2014 10:52 a.m.

    @tajemnica,

    "Plus, these other schools have conferences. No need for exceptions."

    That's actually irrelevant to the issue as the SEC doesn't care. If there is an SEC team that wants an excpetion in order to play boise(instead of a power conference school) the SEC would still have to decide whether to allow that. The fact that Boise has a conference does not change the issue of whether the SEC will allow the SEC school to play Boise and "count" as a power conference school

    the SEC doesn't care that byu isn't in a conference and Boise is - the question still has to be answered about an exception for each of them.

  • maq West Valley, Utah
    May 2, 2014 10:42 a.m.

    @Chris B

    BYU didn't get invited to the PAC 10 or BIG 12 because of their integrity to not slack on their established morals. The Sunday play and ESPN contract issues kept the invitations at bay. The interest was already there. That's why the PAC 10 went with the little sister up north.

  • Tajemnica West Valley, Utah
    May 2, 2014 10:39 a.m.

    @Chris B

    I was leaving the first comment for you and I'm glad you did as you are always dependable for a good laugh. Fresno St., better than BYU? Comedic gold there! Maybe the last year or so but only utah gets inclusion (for fans of other PAC 10 schools such as myself regrettably so) for two good years of play. Plus, these other schools have conferences. No need for exceptions. Besides the fact that outside of BYU, no other school outside the Big 5 conferences has had as consistant success in the last ten years except for Boise St.
    Personally as a USC fan, a BYU neutral, and a utah hater (hater being too strong of a word. I just don't like utah fans thinking they actually belong in the PAC 10. Start winning some games and I'll take you seriously) I hope the SEC grants exception to BYU. All other conferences will follow suit as the SEC is King, and utah fans can eat crow.
    Note: it would be even funnier if the SEC added BYU. Would never happen but would further solidify utah as the little sister on the hill.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 2, 2014 10:25 a.m.

    It will be funny when the SEC tells byu "no, we don't care about you" just as the Big 12 and Pac 12 have already done by choosing not to invite byu.

    byu once again trying to convince people they are like Notre Dame and deserve what Notre Dame gets.

    You don't!

    You're byU

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 2, 2014 10:23 a.m.

    Byu again thinking/wishing they were treated like Notre Dame.

    LOL

    I mentioned this several days ago, that the SEC has chosen to include Notre Dame as a power conference team but chose NOT to recognize byu as such.

    As pointed out in the "other" newspaper several days ago by a byu fan/writer it was unlikely as then it opens up a Pandora's box of who to give excpetions for. Boise has been a much better program than byu - should the SEC give an exception for Boise?

    Fresno is a better team than byu - should fresno get an exception?

    Also, regarding all this extra power being given to the power conferences, again the byu fan/writer from the other newspaper says this "it can't be good for byu"

    Pretty soon byu will have to go limping back to the MWC and join the ranks of division II while the power conferences essentially become the new division I