Cocaine doesn't cause brain damage, studies find; poverty does


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  • gittalopctbi Glendale, AZ
    May 4, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    To those who argue for increasing the minimum wage, aside from the excellent points already given as to why that is never a good idea, I just want to ask the proponents: Where do you think the money is going to come from? Every time more-government liberals propose such things, it is as if the money to pay for their bright ideas is supposed to magically appear. So, minimum wage increase proponents, where is the money going to come from? How is this to be paid? Right! The employer. The employer is not going to just absorb the new costs, so where's that money going to come from? Right! Two sources: increase prices for goods and services and/or decrease the number of employees. Either way, it is not good.

  • Laura Arroyo Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2014 2:23 p.m.

    Um, so the Deseret News is coming down on the side of schedule I cocaine use is okay for gestating mothers...sorry, make that rich, white, religious gestating mothers who can "get the good stuff" and not have to suffer from the street drug being cut with dangerous additives.

    Not buying it. Really, truly...not buying it.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2014 1:54 p.m.

    People should not take from this that there are no ill effects from cocaine use or addiction. When there is drug use or addiction it becomes the driving force in a parent's day, not their children. The real problems are lack of jobs, job development, jobs that pay a living wage, affordable education and job training for young people, too many fathers and mothers who walk away from their parenting responsibilities or are too young when they have children to support and raise them. You can't just raise wages for everyone without also expecting things on their end in the way of training, education, and job skills.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    May 4, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    BYUand jazz, Some good thinking, but how do communities and society take the slums out of people without taking them out of the slums, and won't it take an awful lot of money, and won't that money have to come from tax payers, and won't extreme right wing politics kill any program to assist the poor and abate poverty. What are your thoughts. If you have some way to make it work then I would like to contribute. Thx.

  • BYU and Jazz Fan Provo, UT
    May 4, 2014 9:08 a.m.

    Grandma 20: You are correct in stating that drug addiction knows no class and it is a sad reality that your grandson lives with. I do wonder which drug it was that caused his issues. This study has limited their scope to Cocaine and didn't mention anything about any other drug other than alcohol, such as meth which can cause severe defects like you described. It is helpful to understand which drugs hurt the baby and which ones don't.

    DN Subscriber: you are correct in saying that poverty is not a disease. I don't think this is as much of an issue of money (with respect to the minimum wage debate going on here) as it is an issue of the "culture of poverty." It has to deal more with their beliefs, attitudes, and behavior than it does money. It just happens that individuals who are in poverty are more likely to be less successful because of the culture they've been raised in.

    The solution isn't to throw money and take people out of the slums. The solution is to "take the slums out of the people and they take themselves out of the slums."

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    May 3, 2014 9:40 p.m.

    What is also needed is a maximum wage

  • Grandma 20 Allen, TX
    May 3, 2014 2:14 p.m.

    Question: How does following 124 "cocaine babies" over the past 25 years prove that cocaine doesn't cause brain damage? I respectfully disagree with the study. Tell that to my nine-year old grandson (adopted) who suffers from seizures because his birth mother was a drug addict. Drug addiction knows no class -- rich or poor. Thank you.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    May 3, 2014 7:45 a.m.

    Raising the minimum wage will do nothing.

    What will do something is education and work. If people want to get out of poverty, they can learn the skills necessary to get them better jobs thereby pulling themselves out of poverty.

    Whe should have learned from almost 50 years of LBJ's Great Society that the government never solved anything, and frankly, usually makes things worse. The gap between rich and poor exists why? Because the government allows it.

  • U-tar Woodland Hills, UT
    May 2, 2014 6:51 p.m.

    I stand corrected, the study took 25 years.

  • LadyMoon Crestucky, FL
    May 2, 2014 5:03 p.m.

    Households aren't expected to function or maintain on minimum wage. It's a workforce entry pay. Get training or skilled BEFORE attempting the start of a family. A little planning, forethought and direction is required...just like everything else in life. BTW, poverty isn't addictive... cocaine is!

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    May 2, 2014 3:20 p.m.

    Cocaine and poverty are both negatives. I fear both.

  • Mr.Glass Salt Lake City, UT
    May 2, 2014 12:37 p.m.

    @U-tar: This was a 25 year study, not an 8 year study. Nothing about the article said that drug use had no up-side. It just said that a 25 year study concluded pregnant mother who uses cocaine is not going to cause brain damage in the child. This is a good information. It means we should punish mothers for damaging their children's brains because, in reality, they were not damaging their brains by using cocaine during pregnancy.

    It seems like you are saying the study is worthless because it doesn't conform to what you thought you knew.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    May 2, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    You keep telling yourself that. Sounds like you listened to all the drug propaganda spouted by people with the full intention of spreading dis-information.
    Drugs are not going away. It was a worth while study.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    May 2, 2014 10:10 a.m.

    The article title is misleading. It's actually just exposure to cocaine (in utero) that doesn't cause long-term brain damage. However, the actual use of cocaine does indeed cause both short and long term neurological brain damage to the user, as well as substantial detrimental physical effects. The temporary "highs" are simply not worth the long-term negatives.

    @ Ranch:

    I'm a bit surprised by your statement today. You usually do a bit more verifiable research of facts before committing a subject statement. There are dozens of studies (and extensive analysis of those studies) which all indicate a direct correlation to rising unemployment rates wherever and whenever the minimum wage is raised.

    Thomas Sowell, a noted African American economics professor has conducted extensive research on this subject and has also come up with the same undeniable results. The DN comment format doesn't allow the listing of online links or I would give you several. However, you can google the appropriate key words to find and read the results for yourself.

  • Reflectere Utah, UT
    May 2, 2014 9:55 a.m.

    @ Ranch

    "That a higher minimum wage create higher unemployment is a myth. It would create more spending power for those in need, higher spending = more production required = more jobs created."

    You're assuming ceteris peribus "all other things being equal or held constant" Ranch, but that's a bigger myth than the myth of permanent unemployment. If all else were held constant: if the current inflation was constant, if costs on goods were constant, if taxes were constant, etc. etc. then yes, raising wages would create more spending power = more production required = more jobs created.

    That's a fantasy because all things are not held constant.

    Raising wages = less cash flow/net profit = hours cut, jobs cut & higher shelf costs on goods = inflation/devaluation of dollar = poverty line raised on the dollar.

    In other words, the people whom the minimum wage hike was supposed to bring out of poverty stay in poverty.

    Not that $12/hr @ 30/hrs week (the new full time) is enough to bring someone out of poverty, especially families. That's still poverty level income.

  • Reflectere Utah, UT
    May 2, 2014 9:48 a.m.

    Job loss from a minimum wage hike is real, but it's also a short-term economic reaction.

    The real damage is felt in the long term: Higher costs because of higher expenses on businesses, which means higher inflation. This devalues the dollar and the "minimum wage" that was meant to keep people out of poverty simply deceives them. They still remain in poverty. What's worse, higher costs and inflation drags those currently living just above the poverty level into poverty.

    That's the reality of the minimum wage hike. It kills jobs. cut hours, causes inflation and devalues the dollar. It puts more people into poverty than it brings out.

    Couple that with Obamacare regulations and higher taxes and you have a recipe for GDP disaster.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 2, 2014 9:40 a.m.

    It is not poverty, but bad choices on the parts of the parent(s) which cause the poor performance by the children.

    They may not choose to be poor, but they chose to bear children they could not properly support, most likely unmarried, and with no real job skills, and often not much interest in a job by the parent(s), and a similar lack of interest or skills in child-rearing, or education for themselves or the children.

    Poverty is not a disease, it is too often a chosen life style, albeit a very bad one.

  • Downtime Saint George, UT
    May 2, 2014 9:30 a.m.

    Once again, a secular study vindicates the prophets. The breakdown of the family is the cause of nearly all of society's ills. We are in the unenviable position of the Nephites, and we are suffering similar fates.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 2, 2014 8:38 a.m.

    new research funded by the drug cartels...

    higher minimum wages will cost 500,000 jobs. source Congressional Budget Office

    of the 10 jurisdictions (9 states and DC) with the highest unemployment rates, all but 2 have higher minimum wages laws. Of the 10 states with the highest employment rates, only 1 has a higher minimum wage law. The state with the lowest unemployment, North Dakota, has HIGHER average weekly salary than Ohio, which has a higher minimum wage law. - sources Department of Labor and Bureau of Labor Statistics.

    Creating more spending power for those in need, higher spending = more production required = more jobs created. Source, ranch, to align with his personal beliefs.

  • caf Bountiful, UT
    May 2, 2014 8:32 a.m.

    @ RG and Living Above the Lighthouse.

    You are completely correct. Raising the minimum wage has never shown longterm benefits. It is troubling that so many don't seem to understand the research and real-life results of raising minimum wage. However, to those who do not want to cut government spending/programs, it appears to be an easy fix.

  • U-tar Woodland Hills, UT
    May 2, 2014 8:25 a.m.

    An 8 year study, now that is the definition of brain damage. There is no upside to drug abuse for anyone. It's a no brainer. Another wasteful study, the money used for the study should have been used to help the children.

  • Living Above the Lighthouse Spanish Fork, UT
    May 2, 2014 8:14 a.m.

    Also, higher minimum wage = higher prices - don't forget that, either.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    May 2, 2014 8:02 a.m.


    Raising the minimum wage takes money out of the pockets of the wealthy.


    That a higher minimum wage create higher unemployment is a myth. It would create more spending power for those in need, higher spending = more production required = more jobs created.

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    May 2, 2014 7:33 a.m.

    to humbug: "So why are we so opposed to raising minimum wage? The effects on the lives of people are real."

    One of these effects of raising the minimum wage is more unemployment. The trouble with liberal solutions is that they don't consider all the known and unknown, desired and undesired effects. They only consider the known, desired effect.

  • humbug Syracuse/Davis, UT
    May 2, 2014 7:29 a.m.

    So why are we so opposed to raising minimum wage? The effects on the lives of people are real.