DocHolliday: 20 years of classroom teaching is a pretty good testing ground.
That's 3,600 days, 28,800 hours of interacting with, watching, hearing,
smelling, teaching,and host of other things that include drawing some
conclusions about what motivates students, as well as what depresses them. I
haven't heard too many students that were pregnant march into my classroom
and tell me they were searching for answers from athiests to help them with
their poor choices. I have had many, if not all, that were having problems or
difficulties tell me that without God, they couldn't have made it! But, go
ahead, keep preaching to your own kids that God is not there and it doesn't
matter whether you acknowledge him and see where it gets you! Life gives us
lots of choices!
Prayer doesn't do anything. God already knows what we need. We
shouldn't have to beg for it. And half of the time he doesn't answer
our prayers anyways, so what is the point?
bandersenHaha. I had to laugh at your comment. What a broad
generalization that those who don't rely on prayer are more likely on
welfare or are more likely to be involved in immoral activities. Did you do a
survey?? I know many LDS families that, due to their large family size, are on
welfare. But that is ok, right? I also know many LDS that have had husbands
cheat on their wives. But they used to pray every night. What a ridiculous
With tens of thousands of people across the country and around the world praying
for our country today, it is amazing to me that the 10:00 news did not have one
comment about this event. I switch from channel 2, 5 and 7 from 10 to 10:30 in
Chicago because I don't want to watch commercials. This really disturbs me
that a nation that is great BECAUSE of the faith and prayer of the settlers and
first leaders has turned its back on the very thing that has caused us to be so
blessed. Shame on us. We need to rise up and be bold for what's right
again in this country.
EVERY SINGLE DAY
@ nonceleb - They did not believe in a "personal god"? Then
these quotes must be fabricated:"(T)he propitious smiles of
Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of
order and right which Heaven itself has ordained" George Washington“The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it
connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the
principles of Christianity.” John Quincy Adams“The longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth:
'that God governs in the affairs of men.' And if a sparrow cannot fall
to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without
His aid?" Benjamin Franklin"I have tender reliance
on the mercy of the Almighty; through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am
a sinner. I look to Him for mercy; pray for me." Alexander Hamilton
RE: EternalPerspective, “There is no specific regulation for
Christian's.”?2 John 1:10-11 NLT, If anyone comes to
your meeting and does not teach the truth about Christ, don’t invite that
person into your home or give any kind of encouragement. Anyone who encourages
such people becomes a partner in their evil work.(`1John
4:1)Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of
God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world”. Verse 12,
No man hath seen God at any time.(1 John 3:16)… the love of
God, because he laid down his life for us….”God on the Cross.. (1 John 5:20)And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us
an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is
true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is(Jesus) the true God and eternal
lighten up folks.So, someone says it is a National day of prayer.
Or Groundhog day or mothers day.You dont have to do anything
different. And it is not at odds with the constitution. No
religion is being singled out.There are many areas where people try
to push their religion on you. This is not one of them.
Just so we are clear on the founding of this nation, there is an oft-repeated
myth about the creation of the Constitution. When prayer was proposed at the
convention Alexander Hamilton said they did not need any "foreign aid."
Prayer was voted down and there was no request for the services of a chaplain.
It is fine for us to believe the Constitution was divinely inspired, but if we
do, remember it was done without a request. Another myth is George Washington
praying at Valley Forge. Washington, like Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson,
John Adams and other early patriots, was a deist. They did not believe in a
personal god, but a god as the "creator," who does not intervene in the
affairs of man. This prayer of Washington myth was invented by the minister
Mason Weems, who also fabricated the cherry tree story.
I know the difference between those I teach in school who rely on prayer and
those who don't. Those who rely on prayer are less likely to be involved
in immorality, drugs, and welfare than those who rely on it! For me,
that's a good enough reason to promote God in the classroom. You can
promote the false and deceitful lie that Thomas Jefferson wanted a wall between
God and Government, but the truth is that he wanted to make sure that there was
no such thing as a government that promoted its own state religion. Anyway, for
the athiests, government is their religion, which is ironic and makes me more
than leary of their claim that they want religion out of government. Where
would they be if not for government? They would actually have to start making
their own decisions in life rather than relying on someone to make their
decisions for them.
@jasonlivyYou said "...because this nation was founded on a firm
belief that God existed...as evidenced by our Founding Fathers, the
Constitution! "Really? I did not know that. Guess it's time
for me to dust of my copy of the constitution and have a look. Oh, look, here it
is in Article VI: "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and
the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial
Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by
Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but NO RELIGIOUS TEST SHALL
EVER BE REQUIRED as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the
United States." Oh, wait, that can't be right. Perhaps you are
referring to this: Amendment 1, "Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
Oops. Not there either. I'm confused can you show me exactly where this
firm belief is evidenced in our founding document?
@jasonlivy;Zeus is beginning to get very, very angry and is going to
start tossing his lightning bolts around any day now...Your god
isn't any more relevant to this country than is Zeus, Odin, Ra or Mr. Bean.
my_two_cents_worthWe need Federal Recognition because this nation
was founded on a firm belief that God existed and that He inspired, as evidenced
by our Founding Fathers, the Constitution! This nation, that you love so dearly,
was founded on Judeo-Christian values and philosophies! The United States of
America exists because our framers relied on prayer to help them form this
nation! The government is not promoting religion, but acknowledging the need for
prayer. You may not need it in your life but I can guarantee you this nation
desperately needs it!Federal Recognition is an indication that we
are not haughty, arrogant, and so self-absorbed that we feel we can do it all on
our own. Federal Recognition means that as a nation the majority still fears God
more than it fears man.I also served in the Army and if it
wasn't for prayer I wouldn't have made it through. It gave me the
strength and courage to do what was needed.If you feel threatened,
it is based on your own self-conceived, and totally irrational fear.
@jasonlivyI would ask, if prayer is not a threat to certain people
why then the need for Federal Recognition and set-aside day for prayer? Why do
only "Christians" insist on continuing the practice? Why are other
religions NOT joining in the day's activities? Why are only the most
extreme of American Christian groups so actively promoting the day? The answers
to those questions, for me, defines the threat to my religious liberties. Finally, I am an American who loves his country. I wore the uniform of
the United states Army for most of my adult life and still affirm my commitment
to defending our great constitution. I am also an atheist. When people insist on
linking the survival of our great nation, to their "God" I am offended.
I am offended not because of your belief but because your insistence that *god
is what is protecting this country* is dismissive to my service and the service
off all non-believers who have served. Finally, since it is the
National Day of Prayer I will issue my own: "Lord, I pray that you will
protect me from your believers."
The Skeptical ChymistLet us remember that the national day of prayer
is not an obligatory requirement on how to pray, whom to pray, what to say, or
any such mandate. Rather, it is an observation to worship whatever form of
diety is your target of faith (or choose not). There is no specific regulation
for Christian, Jewish, or any other religious doctrine confirmity.The statements you make are simply not true. They assume the government is
imposing religion on the people, but it instead extending an invitation to
express the inherent human desire to ponder and reach towards something more
than the intelligence of the creature. It is a moment of reflection in our busy
lives we all so desparately need.As a member of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter Day Saints, I pray often each day. It could seem silly to
think one day of prayer could do any good. But, as it is in the Church, so too,
when leaders remind us to pray, it is more than the act. Rather, it is also the
symbolism of our nation's roots and foundation that were certainly
instilled and inspired by the framers of the Constitution.
To "The Skeptical Chymist" luckily most of us know that you are
wrong.The constitution only says that there cannot be a state
religion. Having the government ask people to pray to the God(s) that they
believe in is not establishing a state religion. It is no different than the
government asking you to use less water or electricity. They can ask, but are
not forcing you to do anything.
To me, all it is is a simple reminder that prayer is still important to,
hopefully, the majority of the citizens of our nation. Once those who pray
become the minority, that is when we should worry.People can
politicize it all they want, but for many this might be the only time they put
any thought to the need for prayer. It also shows me that our nation has not
abandoned God and understands His role in the creation of country.I,
for one, will use this day to remember the sacrifices so many have made and will
kneel on my knees in humble gratitude for everything I have. I would encourage
all to do the same.
I would ask, why is prayer such a threat to certain people? All it is is a
simple expression of humility and love. People can choose whether or not they
want to believe in God, but those of us who do, we believe that prayer is our
way of showing that there is more to this life than what we observe and involve
ourselves with on a daily basis. Prayer is a simple plea to help me do better
and be a better person. If people feel threatened by that, they have much bigger
issues they need to concern themselves with.When we as a nation
don't think we need God anymore, then that is when we should start worrying
about the future of our nation.
For me and my family, every day is a day of prayer. We don't need a
specially-designated day to remind us to pray.From a political
standpoint, it is not the governments place or position to foster prayer.
Individual politicans can, speaking for themselves, urge people to pray but the
government cannot (or should not) since that would be an establishment of
religion which is contrary to the First Amendment of the US Constitution.Religious congregations, hierarchies and related organizations can, of
course, suggest a National Day of Prayer any time they want, pursuant to said
Do Christians really need our nation's politicians to remind them to pray
today? Ironic that a group who claims they want government out of their lives
needs our government for this. Just as ironic is the statement in the article
that atheists and secularists need to fight back.
If the national day of prayer were truly a day of unity and gathering for the
common good of all I might be less offended by it but it is not. It has been
hijacked by the most extreme side of the "Christian right" and is more
becoming a special event for the "right" kind of people. The Dobson
group out of Colorado Springs are using it as a platform for their narrow view
of Christianity and here in WA state, the Tacoma keynote speaker is one of the
most toxic fundamentalist "Christians" and jurists in the nation: Judge
Roy Moore of Alabama. How do we find "unity" when our keynote speaker
has called for the criminalization of homosexuality, snubbed his nose at the
very constitution he has sworn to defend, and made it clear that only those who
worship the god he worships and only the way he finds appropriate are worthy of
their day in his court.
Mr. Jefferson, build up that wall.
A particular church, or a group of churches, should be able to proclaim a
particular date a day of prayer, but it is a breach of the First Amendment for
the government to proclaim a day of prayer. The government should not be
telling Americans to pray in a Congressional Proclamation. They should not be
telling Americans to pray, not to pray, whom to pray to, or when to pray.
Indeed, the government should be totally silent regarding prayer.This is a perversion of the Constitution that was first created at the height
of the Cold War to distinguish our country from "godless" Communism.
Then and now, it is an exercise in pandering to the religious feelings of
theocratically-inclined Americans in a cynical attempt to gain their support.
When people such as James Dobson, of Focus on the Family, was averse to LDS
participation in this event, it really turned me off.