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Published: Wednesday, April 30 2014 11:05 p.m. MDT

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Just guessing
Cedar Hills, UT

Amy, bases on the current standings, it appears that Lehi was battling Riverton for the final playoff spot. Am I missing something?

Cinci Man
FT MITCHELL, KY

When it comes to high schools, is it ever about the kids?

ODannyBoy
Sandy, Utah

Right. punish the kids for the coach's clerical error. Wow.

81Ute
Central, UT

Clerical error ...
It is just a trivial infraction ...

The correct decision.

3 dogs
SLC, UT

This is absolutely ridiculous. The U.H.S.A.A. is an organization that is a fraternity of good ole boys, they write rules and procedures in confusing and vague terms, they do not update or correct their web site for months, then they make modifications with effective dates that are retroactive to the publishing dates. This ruling is completely unfair to those kids. This appears to be a simple, trivial mistake by a first year coach and probably has to do with the rules of Tournament play which are confusing in the UHSAA rules in any case. Additionally, the UHSAA is constantly taking away from baseball to accommodate football and basketball and they have again shortened the baseball Season in a State that already has one of the shortest baseball Seasons in the Country, I think if they had their way they would do away with Baseball altogether. 17-0 ruling, give me a break, I wonder how many committee members have sons playing on other teams in the same Region. Slap their hands, deduct 2 games from next year and let them play out their Season - UHSAA should get real. BTW Lehi is mathematically out of region contention.

Happy Valley BigFeet
Lehi, UT

This is not the boys fault. It was an adult's mistake. They don't need to be the victims of an honest human error. It is inspiring to see the passion and fight of the young men being impacted by this poor decision by the UHSAA. Follow them at: #letlehiplay

RBN
Salt Lake City, UT

Wow, the Seniors on the team have to be heart-broken. Not only do they have the opportunity to end the season fighting for a play-off position, they don't even get to play a final home game in front of their family and friends. Boo (again) UHSAA.

eagle
Provo, UT

This is the easy solution. Let them play and then cut all of their non-league contests next year.

shadow
Pleasant Grove, UT

How many games do they get, I see several teams that will have over 24 games, if I read correctly Lehi has played 22 as of now and has 4 more games scheduled so that must mean 24 is the limit? Salem Hills, Park City, Layton, Taylorsville, and Cottonwood are a few teams that have 25 games scheduled but if 24 is the limit how is that supposed to work? I guess if tournaments that play 2 games in one day only counts as 1 game that would be the case but Im not certain if that's the way it works...

Prep Fan 89
Draper, UT

You can say what you want, but it is the school's responsibility to hire a coach that knows the rules, hire an AD that checks up on it, and hire people that look out for the kid's best interest.

You cannot continue the "what about the kids" argument every time a rule is broken. If you are angry that your kid was affected by the bad choices of adults, then get new adults in charge.

The UHSAA rules are explicitly stated, yeah the coach is stepping up and taking the blame. If he really wants to accept responsibility because he is worried about punishing the kids, he can resign and let someone else come do the job that follows the rules and looks out for the kids.

I am tired of these constant rules violations by coaches/adults at schools, then whining that the kids are affected. Hire adults that do things the right way!

eagle
Provo, UT

Prep Fan 89:

There is a volleyball coach that made this mistake early on her career. She took responsibility but the administration of the school was forgiving. Their reward was several state championships.

Other coaches have made mistakes in this area from time to time but again patience, understanding and forgiving hearts by administrators and others were rewarded with future success.

Again, I'm not out to deny justice, I would just delay not to take it out on the athletes of this particular team whose main lesson they might learn is that adults are stupid and lack compassion and common sense. Instead, I again suggest that a strong message can be sent by denying Lehi several pre-season games next year. The difference here is that the players, parents, and coaches know the penalties going in.

Finally, it seems like the UHSAA wheel of justice has no common sense. East and Timpview, whose actions were more egregious, were allowed to play on in the football playoffs. Indeed, let's show compassion and common sense and I would say even consistency in punishment.

Husker1
Saratoga Springs, UT

shadow: UHSAA rules say teams can play 22 games, but multiple games played in one day in tournaments count differently. Lehi will exceed the limit by 2 games. Their coach should have known the limit and someone above him should have caught the mistake. The rule exists so players don't miss an excessive amount of class time.

That said, I agree with eagle. It was a simple, honest mistake that never gave Lehi a competitive advantage. Have them forfeit 2 region games next season. It's ridiculous how these types of mistakes lead to a witch hunt while teams that have been punished multiple times for recruiting and playing ineligible players continue on to state championships.

shadow
Pleasant Grove, UT

What about Taylorsville then they played at Bishop Gorman Tournament for 4 straight days they will be over by 3 games and should forfeit their last 3 games, Cottonwood is in the same situation having to forfeit their last 2.

Husker1
Saratoga Springs, UT

Here's what the UHSAA Handbook says about the number of baseball games a team is allowed to play:

"Baseball: 22 games for 4A & 5A, 20 games for 1A, 2A & 3A. Each game played counts as one game.
Schools may exercise one of the following options during the season: play one (1) multi-game
tournament and count it as two (2) games (up to a maximum of four games, if the tournament
exceeds four games, any additional games would count “one for one” against contest limitations);
and play one (1) non-region double header on a non-school day for both schools and count
it as one (1) game OR they can play two (2) non-region double headers on non-school days and
count each double header as one (1) game."

I haven't looked at Taylorsville's schedule but I'm guessing they took advantage of the "multi-game tournament" rule and they probably played a non-region doubleheader on a non-school day. Those rules allow teams to play more than 22 games. Maybe they asked for a waiver before the season started to play more than 22. I don't know.

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