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  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    May 5, 2014 3:53 p.m.

    Normally people judge others by their actions and this is also the case with Mike Lee. I don't know what kind of a person he is in his personal life, and that is not what this is about. We can do a play on words all we want, but Mike Lee took the steps he knew he could take to have the government shut down. And then he (and those on here that want to) try to blame it on the President and other Democrats because they wouldn't budge from the health care law (which we have now). I'm sure glad we do since I hadn't had any insurance in seven years, but the actions of some supposed conservatives like Mike Lee cost the government lots of money (and that isn't conservative at all).

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    May 5, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    Utefan60 -

    "Mike Richards and WRZ are both wrong on almost every count. Mike Lee and Ted Cruz did shut down the government."

    It's quite the phenomenon isn't it?

    Right Wing Extremists seem to believe that if they tell the same lies often enough, their fairy god mother will make them come true.

    . . . When in reality, all they have is a few mice hitched up to a pumpkin.

  • LovelyDeseret Gilbert, AZ
    May 5, 2014 1:11 p.m.

    While I am not a big Mike Lee fan, to see Senator Lee shut down the government is an impossible declaration. Mike Lee does not have that kind of power, maybe if he issued executive orders or has the ability to print money at will then he would have the power to shut down the government. Our Constitution has no clause where one Senator can shut down the government.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2014 6:26 p.m.

    Senator Lee will never get over his shutdown of government. He should resign.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    May 3, 2014 8:13 a.m.

    Ranchhand, Compromise. The operative word that the Democrats used to get the Republicans to go along with them without giving anything up. I can't think of one piece of legislation passed by Democrats in the last 30 years, where the Democrats gave up anything significant to the Republicans, except for the original CHIP. Hatch got Kennedy to play ball and they passed a bill that actually worked for a time, until the Democrats screwed it up early in Obama's reign.

    We only have to look at the Affordable Care Act to see that there was no attempt at compromise to possibly make the legislation better. Only the ramming through of a large unwieldy, underpriced bill that will haunt us for many years to come. Compromise? The Democrats never compromise. Remember Nancy's fine words, "we have to pass it to see what's in it."

    The problem is, the Democrats don't tolerat dissent. They only care about retaining their power.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    May 2, 2014 11:49 a.m.

    @Flashback;

    The problem is that if you only represent one side, you leave out the other half of Americans. This is why we have such disfunction in Washington (and Utah) politics.

    Compromise. Work TOGETHER. Lee and Cruz are the epitomy of "my way or the highway", and when they do that nothing gets done at all.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    May 2, 2014 11:14 a.m.

    FT, I'm an educated person and I disagree with your interpretation of events. There, how do you like that?

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    May 2, 2014 11:11 a.m.

    Hey Ranch, since I'm part of the majority in Utah and you are part of the lib minority, I think that he's representing me just fine. BTW, Obama shut down the gubment, not Lee. If you don't like how he's representing you, then run against him. Good luck with that by the way.

    And to our letter writer. I'm sure the majority of Americans don't like Obama Care. I'm sure that they don't like the out of control Federal Spending. I'm sure that they don't like not having the borders secure. I'm sure that they don't like all the people receiving Food Stamps. My list can go on and on as to what the majority of Americans don't like that Obama and Co are doing.

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    May 2, 2014 8:18 a.m.

    To "Ranch" again, see filibuster rules, and how 60 senators can put an end to a filibuster. With the number of Democrats and RINOs in the senate, you are telling me that they couldn't get 60 votes to stop the filibuster. Plus, you are saying that for over 6 months the Senate couldn't come up with a budget?

    Again, tell us how Mike Lee has so much power he could shut down the government.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    May 2, 2014 7:01 a.m.

    @lost in DC;

    Why you disagree with Matheson is confusing because he always voted with the conservative majority. The only reason has to be the 'D' in front of his name on the ballot. He was a republican in sheep's clothing, imo (but still better by far than Love who is a wolf waiting to guard the henhouse).

    @2 bits;

    Nobody can represent all the people all the time; but I'm particularly tired of Utah's representatives representing ONLY conservatives ALL the time. Do what is best for everybody (even when some disagree) - and so many conservative policies ONLY represent the wealthy and corporations, not real people.

    They may not teach you how to vote in college, but the teach you how to think.

    @RedShirtCalTech;

    The word you're looking for is "filibuster" (or these days the simple threat of filibuster).

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    May 1, 2014 10:24 p.m.

    WRZ and the rest of those who blame Obama not the Republicans for the shutdown demonstrate exactly what Real Mav and others have been saying... Low information voters continue to be misinformed. It's becoming quite embarrassing since most Americans see things so much differently than WRZ.

    The GOP continues to become the party of minority. Meaning, the least popular political party in America. Not god if your job is to gain popularity and win elections. Without popularity, winning elections will become impossible.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2014 8:36 p.m.

    WRZ, then who did shut down the government? Really? Can't answer that one because it was the Tea Party coalition that did it. The American people place the blame squarely on them and the ratings for these Tea Party plummeted.

    Americans don't fall for that baloney WRZ. They just don't. Educated Americans realize that they were fed a line by the Tea party and it wasn't up to snuff.

    Why do you think they are being quiet and not spewing all the rhetoric they did? It doesn't pass muster now!

    As you say, there is no other way to spin it.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    May 1, 2014 8:20 p.m.

    Utefan60:
    "WRZ, you still don't get it. The shutdown was done because the law of the land, The Affordable Care Act was not on the table for comprise. It was already law!"

    There's alotta government programs on the books that can and does lack funding. Just because Obamacare was on the books as law, doesn't mean it has to be funded. Want an example of government programs being defunded? Large segments of the DOD's military is being defunded by... gasp! Obama.

    "Over 40 times these non-patriots tried to blackmail this."

    Yeah... a law that had no, zero, nada Republican votes in either House or Senate... In fact, all amendments offered by Republicans during debate was tossed by Democrat leaders (Reid/Peloci). Why shouldn't Republicans try to get rid of it?

    "They never succeeded. Scream all you want about it but Lee and Cruz shut down the government and cost us billions."

    Our government cannot be shut down by two people, period. It's totally impossible... unless one of the people is the president.

    "There is no other way to spin it."

    You just did.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2014 7:14 p.m.

    WRZ, you still don't get it. The shutdown was done because the law of the land, The Affordable Care Act was not on the table for comprise. It was already law! Over 40 times these non-patriots tried to blackmail this. They never succeeded. Scream all you want about it but Lee and Cruz shut down the government and cost us billions. There is no other way to spin it.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    May 1, 2014 7:10 p.m.

    my_two_cents_worth: "Simply put, the house bill defunded ACA..."

    The House can, and does, defund some government programs... That's their job... to make sure the government stays solvent. They should be defunding more of government to get the national debt ($17.5T) under control.

    This is what really happened... The first House funding bills did defund Obamacare... none of which were taken up for amendment by Senator Reid as required by the Constitution.** So, the House decided to produce a bill that would fund the government including Obamacare but delay implementation for a year. This was also unacceptable by Reid... (although Obama did eventually extend Obamacare for purely political purposes). Finally, after the government shut down, the House caved and passed a bill funding Obamacare that the Senate would accept.

    **The way it should work: If the Senate disagrees with a House funding bill, the bill is supposed to go to a joint conference to work out differences... both sides giving a little. Harry Reid wouldn't even do that. He refused to even consider House bills that did anything to touch Obamacare in any way.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 1, 2014 5:16 p.m.

    We have become a nation of separate minorities. The fact that one minority has held the reins of government too long has caused the idea of a melting pot to be a forgotten dream.

    The business community, the minority that controls our government, by their oppression of all the ordinary people is what makes the necessity of group action by the other minorities. The individual person has no power. And while the business community works feverishly to keep individuals separate, weak and impotent, their efforts only cement the existence of the other minorities.

    Senator Lee might well have been elected by a majority of voters, but he only represents the majority of businessmen.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 1, 2014 4:29 p.m.

    @ 2 bits

    Sorry, but we have no problem winning elections. The majority of the popular vote in the past 5 elections have gone our way. We have control of the Senate. And had repubs not gerrymandered the House, we would have control over that too. It's the GOP that has to worry about winning elections. Your tent is shrinking. Our tent is growing.

    Sorry!

    Oh, nice cheap shot at college grads. Sorry, we are the ones who are educated and actually informed. We produce things so folks like you can have handouts. Without the college educated, you wouldn't have your food stamps, Medicaid, and social security checks. Most of the advancements over the past 100 years have come from the college educated.

    It's pretty obvious that Mike Lee, the Senator for the low information paranoid voter will be ousted. The eagle Forum will lose their boy. Senator Matheson or Huntsman will be a great addition to Washington DC. Lee can go back to work for energy dump or short sale on another house. Whatever it is, I just want him to go away. Stop shutting down the government.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    May 1, 2014 4:03 p.m.

    @wrz

    You said: "There were plenty of Senate Democrats to override Republican objections in the Senate."

    But not enough in the house to get a bill with ACA funding restored to the floor for a vote. Simply put, the house bill defunded ACA, the Democratic Senate would never approve without ACA funding restored and the Republican House would not restore the funding. Bottom line: partisan politics on both sides of the isle in the Congress shut down the government.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    May 1, 2014 2:02 p.m.

    bill in af:
    "His no compromising attitude on ObamaCare is what helped shut down the government..."

    Sorry, but you're a bit confused. The Senate is responsible for shutting down the government by failing to act on House funding bills. And, as pointed out earlier, Obama gave the shutdown order... Choosing to shut agencies that would get the most publicity.

    "I'll support any candidate who really understands the Constitution."

    Here's a bit of the Constitution that you might wanna understand... it says all bills for rising revenue shall originate in the House and that the Senate will take it up to either accept or amend (Article 1.7). The Senate, under Harry Reid, didn't follow through. So, again, who shut the government down from lack of funding. Ans: Reid (w/Obama concurrence).

    Utefan60:
    "Mike Richards and WRZ are both wrong on almost every count. Mike Lee and Ted Cruz did shut down the government."

    How could two Senators shut the government down? There were plenty of Senate Democrats to override Republican objections in the Senate. The problem is, Harry Reid took up no House funding bills in the Senate.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    May 1, 2014 1:55 p.m.

    "The Senate didn't pass a budget of their own OR the House budget bill. So it's hard to blame the House for the Senate 1-never passing their own budget, and 2-voting DOWN the House budget."

    Ok, lets break this down. It is technically true, but WHY it happened goes deeper.

    The house can pass a budget with a simple majority. The Senate, the way it is being run lately, requires 60 votes (60%) to head off a filibuster. In this case, a Republican filibuster.

    The house passed a budget that they KNEW would never pass in the senate. Had the house had a 60% requirement like the senate now effectively does, it would never have passed in the house.

    So, we can ask ourselves. Why does the senate have effectively a 60 vote requirement?

    I think we all know the answer.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 1, 2014 1:46 p.m.

    Unreconstructed reb

    -the House GOP spent last summer publicly mulling over the possibility of reneging on Boehner’s budget agreement with the WH in May

    You mean the one BO had already reneged on because harry and schumer undercut him? The one BO ignored in his budget proposals?

    -the House GOP publicly announced its adoption of its shutdown strategy

    No, they announced they would not fund Obamacare – the lapdog media called it a shutdown strategy

    Airnaut,
    Yes, as curmudgeon asked, where is the responsibility failure. There is none as BO and harry’s re-elections demonstrate.

    Curmudgeon
    The house DID appropriate money to run the government – harry wouldn’t let it IN the senate, let alone out of the senate.

    FT,
    When liberals cannot run on history, they get the lapdog media to redefine it.

    Open minded (or are you airnaut this time?)
    Surfing the web on government time?
    you really should look to where the blames lies, right at harry and BO's feet. Sorry your wrath is misdirected.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    May 1, 2014 1:38 p.m.

    @ Furry 1993
    That is an accurate occurence of what happened but not necessarly why it did. It happened because Cruz and Lee had convinced House Republicans to pass legislation that did only funded the goverment without Obabmacare. This was an unprecendented act of Congress. Even other Republicans (Boehner, McCain, Grahm, etc.) concede it was the foolish strategy of Tea Party Republicans to shut down the goverment.
    @ The Real Maverick
    Yes, Republicans and Democrats remember how Mike Lee and the fringe elements of the party got him elected. We changed the rules of the game so Utah can get him out of office and send a representative who will move Utah and our country foward.
    @ Open Minded Morman
    Yes, Mike Lee has few friends at Hill AFB but their not alone. He has few friends elsewhere.
    The anti-Mike Lee forces are well fundeded and well prepared to vote him out of office. He's one and done. Count My Vote was the last thing we needed to put in place, and now his future as a politican is bleak.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    May 1, 2014 1:35 p.m.

    "those who voted for Lee only 40 percent had college diplomas. Those who voted for his Democrat challenger? 65 percent." A real good example of class warfare by an elitist.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 1, 2014 1:32 p.m.

    Maverick,
    Are you saying snobs with college diplomas votes are any different than common people's votes?

    No wonder Democrats have such a hard time getting elected...

    ===

    I hate to break it to you but... they don't teach you how to vote in college.

    So a diploma doesn't qualify your vote any more than any other person's vote.

    People without diplomas can be just as intelligent, and just as knowledgeable about politics as the people with diplomas.

    ===

    Many college graduates are book-smart but lack common sense. It doesn't take a college degree to vote...

    Not having a diploma does NOT automatically mean you are "ill-informed" or "low information" voters...

    It doesn't take a diploma to research the candidates...
    And just having a diploma doesn't automatically make you politically informed...

    Your assumptions and condescending judgments of those without diplomas... is amazing

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    May 1, 2014 12:55 p.m.

    So what your saying Furry1993, Mike Lee a senator, did not shut down the government. It was the house. So the whole discussion about Mike Lee is a straw man argument. I will concur with the idea Mike Lee shutting down the government is a false premise.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    May 1, 2014 12:54 p.m.

    For what it's worth --

    I work for the DoD at Hill AFB.

    Mike Lee is not a huge fan up here, even in Utah.
    HE hurt ten's of thousands of his fellow Utahns.
    HE used us in his little political stunt.
    I don't see ANY "Mike Lee for Senate" bumper stickers on tool boxes or cars anymore.

    And yes,
    part of that $24 Billions lost during his Green Eggs and Ham philibuster on the Seante floor came from out of OUR pay-checks, not his.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 1, 2014 12:50 p.m.

    Anyone else remember Mike Lee's election?

    Anyone else remember the flood of slanderous campaign ads against our dear Senator Bennett? A man who had proven time after time that he could govern?

    Anyone else remember how Tim Bridgewater and his poor family were thrown under the bus?

    Anyone else remember the insane amounts of money entering the state from outside sources which bought the election for Mike Les? Poll after poll showed that the popular vote would have gone to Mr. Bennett. Yet, the caucuses were bought off and anyone speaking ill of the great leader would be shouted down.

    I remember shortly after Lee was elected a study showed that of those who voted for Lee only 40 percent had college diplomas. Those who voted for his Democrat challenger? 65 percent.

    This goes to show that Mike Lee is the man for the low information voter. Combined with his sketchy record of huge campaign donations from outside sources demonstrate that he's merely a puppet for corporate interests.

    We, the people, saw this train wreck coming. His supporters are the 1 percent (takers) looking to wage class warfare on the working class (producers) and those ill-informed.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    May 1, 2014 12:43 p.m.

    @2 bits 11:26 a.m. May 1, 2014

    Lets really clean up the story and tell what really happened.

    Yes, the House passed a bill -- it was an incomplete bill that didn't fully fund the government and the House knew that it would not pass Senate muster.

    The Senate amended and cleaned up the bill so that the government was fully funded (as they had and have every right to do), PASSED it and returned it to the House for concurrence. It was clear that there were sufficient Representatives who would vote in favor of the amended bill, and it would pass. Boehner and the otehr far right wing House "leaders" didn't want that to happen, so they took drastic steps to make sure the amended bill could never come up for a vote. They instituted the requirement that only Boehner or Cantor could bring up the bill for a vote (contrary to the ususal operating rules of the House). And then they allowed the bill to lie fallon, thereby denying the government the funds to operate.

    The House Republicans denied funding to the government, thereby causing the government to close.

    And THAT is what really ahppened.

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    May 1, 2014 12:28 p.m.

    To "Don C. Cunningham" or any liberal who thinks they know the answer.

    Explain how 1 senator who is not in a position of leadership can shut down the government? I could see how Harry Reid could shut down the government by not voting on a budget. But I have yet to see hwo Senator Lee could do so on his own. Plus, you will most likely ignore the fact that senate Republicans offered a bill that funded the government, except for Obamacare. With Obamacare he was only asking for a delay, which the President eventually did using executive order.

    So tell us, how does a Senator with little power shut down the government?

    Isn't it more the fault of the Senate Democrats that refused to compormise or Harry Reid that lead the no-compromise charge?

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 1, 2014 12:23 p.m.

    Lots of confusion about how the government operates. We have a legislative branch with two different but equal houses. Many republicans right now seem to think that if the house passes a bill then the senate must take that bill and pass it. In terms of Harry Reid not bringing legislation to the floor of the senate, I understand the criticism and I would be ok with the criticism if it also include John Boehner for not bring legislation passed by the senate to the house floor.

    Lets also be honest about the game that the republicans in the house played. They continuously passed legislation that they knew was DOA in the senate. Why should Mr. Reid be expected to parade a constant flow of legislation to the senate floor that has no chance of passing to appease the house republicans? I wouldn't expect Mr. Boehner to parade a bunch of DOA legislation from the senate out on the house floor.

    Maybe both sides and both leaders should grow up and think about America not about political advantage.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    May 1, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    When conservatives can't run on history they re-write it. There's is not an educated person out there that does not know it was Cruz and Mike Lee that strategically shut down the goverment in an effort to try and get BO to negotiated on Obamacare. Please stop with the spin. A little honesty would go a long way in bringing credibilty to your arguments.
    Mike Lee is one and done. There are numerous, well funded, influential Republicans committed to that.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    May 1, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    Congressmen represent those who ELECTED them, not all americans. Unless you want to be lumped in with different regions and their viewpoints (which you dont'). Mike Lee represents a certain populace, that is is. NOT all of america.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 1, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    airnaut,
    Why we're still debating the shutdown... I don't know. The history is... The House PASSED a budget (they voted and it passed) but the Senate would not pass it... so there was no budget... so the government shutdown while they worked it out.

    The Senate didn't pass a budget of their own OR the House budget bill. So it's hard to blame the House for the Senate 1-never passing their own budget, and 2-voting DOWN the House budget.

    The President can't pass a budget. Only Congress can.

    Half of Congress passed their budget bill (The House - including Mike Lee). The Democrat controlled Senate rejected the House budget AND didn't propose one of their own. So Democrats need to accept THEY are the ones who voted to shutdown.

    But I acknowledge the House budget put the Senate in a tough position. It funded the government, but not ACA... so they KNEW the Senate would not pass it.

    But technically it was the SENATE that shutdown the Government (by not passing a budget bill). But The Republicans in the house kinda forced them to do it (by not funding ACA).

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    May 1, 2014 10:56 a.m.

    Mike Richards --

    Per the Unied States Constitution,
    What appropriations bill passed the House, and the Senate for the President NOT to sign that trigger the Government shut-down?

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    @wrz
    "Senator Harry Obama Reid shut down the government when he refused to take up the budget bill in the Senate which was passed by the House."

    He did take it up, the Senate amended it (restoring the cuts the House made to Obamacare), and they sent it back to the House. Boehner never took that up.

    By the way, if the Senate didn't fight for that Obamacare funding, health insurance premiums would've skyrocketed more than you think they have since getting rid of Obamacare funding means getting rid of the subsidies.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2014 10:49 a.m.

    Mike Richards:

    You claim to know the Constitution. Then you must know that under the Constitution, Congress holds the power of the purse. If Congress refuses to appropriate money to run the government, then the government has to shut down. That's what happened in the Lee/Cruz/Boehner fiasco that forced the government to shut down. It was Congress that forced the government shutdown. That, among other reasons, is why Congress's approval rating is in the single digits.

    So you are wrong when you say only the president can shut down the government.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    May 1, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    By the same token,
    I'd just like to take this minute to remind;

    Mike Richards
    wrz
    Badgerbadger
    Mark l
    2 bits
    Samson01
    wathman
    lost in DC
    and
    Fitness Freak

    That just like Mike Lee may have won the vote to represent Utah,
    that Pres. Obama was elected and re-elected by an overwhelmly majority of Americans to best represent America.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    May 1, 2014 10:40 a.m.

    It beggars belief that there are some who still want to dump responsibility for the shutdown on the White House lawn when:

    -the House GOP spent last summer publicly mulling over the possibility of reneging on Boehner’s budget agreement with the WH in May
    -the House GOP publicly announced its adoption of its shutdown strategy
    -members of the House GOP literally cheered the shutdown vote
    -the House GOP then did an end run around the appropriations process by passing worthless small bills for politically palatable spending instead of doing its job and passing a comprehensive budget
    -after the shutdown GOP leadership publicly admitted that the whole thing was a strategic blunder on their part

    The GOP has taken ownership of the shutdown from the beginning; its supporters should do likewise.

    And for all the whining about the national parks being closed – sorry, but the parks are about item #10,000 in importance on the list of services that were impacted by the shutdown, starting with the GOP bedrocks of law enforcement and national security.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 1, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    Bill in af,
    harry's no compromise stand on Obamacare shut down the government. funny, because he used every udnerhanded, skullduggerish compromise he had to in order to get it passed.

    Curmudgeon,
    thank you for your support in the true assertion that harry was responsible for shutting down the government. Good to see a liberal admit the house passed bills that would have kept the government open but harry refused a vote. most liberals will not even admit such bills were passed. You evidently did not like the content of those bills, but thank you for admitting they were there for harry to ignore and cause a government shutdown.

    utefan60,
    just because you call something a falsehood does not make it so. Soundly disproved? by whom? the DNC? their lapdog media? rachel madcow?

    "They are not patriots and just because the "majority" voted them in doesn't make them right." sounds like harry and BO

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    The ONLY ones who think that Mike Lee et. al. shut down the government are the "low information voters" who only get their news from the lamestream media and the Obama cheerleaders who think this Pres. can do no wrong.

    I wonder what the liberals will do when THEY are faced with an executive branch who, not only don't obey the law, but claim "5th amendment privilage" - and the President backs them up on their lawlessless - and that same Pres. controls the Senate eliminating the possibility of impeachment?

    Remember libs: what goes around comes around!

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 1, 2014 9:40 a.m.

    IF Don is reading the comments to his letter....

    Please show us your evidence that...
    1. He's not a "good" person
    2. The majority of "we the people" in Utah... didn't vote for him.
    3. He doesn't represent the "majority" in Utah.

    If you can do that and support your assertions in your letter... I'd be surprised.

    ===

    @Ranch
    RE: "We don't need people who represent "the majority of Utahns", we need to elect people who will represent ALL Utahns".

    That's just a ridiculous assumption... that ANY person could faithfully represent ALL Uathns' views.

    Just look at these pages.... How could ANYBODY correctly represent EVERY Utahn... that's just a ridiculous expectation...

    Do you have the same expectation of Obama and Democrats in Washington... that they represent ALL Americans (not their agenda)?

    ===

    @Utefan60,
    Re: "just because the "majority" voted them in doesn't make them right"...

    Could you please re-post that... and address it to Obama and Democrats...?

    ===

    I hope Democrats (OR Republicans) don't think they represent EVERYBODY...

    IF Democrats think the majority of Utahns are with them... check the score board... Lee won...

    Dough... now I sound like an Obama fan...

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    May 1, 2014 9:37 a.m.

    It's funny that all those people who thump their chests about "defending the Constitution" had no problem with Cruz, Lee, and the like trying to do an end run around the legislative process.

    Want to repeal the ACA? Fine. Draw up a bill, get the votes in Congress, and have a president who's willing to sign it. The Tea Partiers couldn't do this, so they threw a tantrum and tried to bully their way in instead.

    Thankfully, they failed.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 1, 2014 9:34 a.m.

    The Federal Government has three branches, the Legislative, the Executive and the Judicial.

    Only the Legislature can legislate.

    Only the Executive can execute the laws passed by the Legislature.

    Only the Judicial can rule on whether a law passed by the Legislature and signed by the President is legal.

    ONLY the President can shut down the government. The branch of government of which he is a member is the only branch that can shut down the government. The Senate does not have that authority. The Court does not have that authority.

    59% of the people told Congress to NOT pass ObamaCare. 59% of the people told Obama to NOT sign ObamaCare. The Democrats in Congress refused to listen to the people. The President refused to listen to the people. Now, Obama refuses to execute ObamaCare. He has delegated himself the authority to legislate new law.

    Mike Lee did his duty as a Senator. He represents the State of Utah, having been elected by a majority of Utahns. He is doing his job.

    Read the Constitution. You might be amazed at how clear things become if you stop making up your own constitution.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2014 8:57 a.m.

    Please be honest, all you Mike Lee worshipers. The Republican budget proposals (engineered by Lee, Cruz, and their House counterparts) sought to defund (and thereby cause a de facto repeal of) the Affordable Care Act. They declined to pursue the correct legislative process to directly repeal the ACA, because they knew they didn't have enough votes to do it the right way. It would have been a total end-run around the Constitution. And Mike "Short-Sale" Lee claims to be such a protector of the Constitution. Ha.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    This letter writer is absolutely correct and expresses what most educated Americans are thinking about now in regards to these right wing extremists. Maybe they are good people, maybe even great people. But as a wise neighbor told me once. "Sometimes great people don't make great neighbors"

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    Mike Richards and WRZ are both wrong on almost every count. Mike Lee and Ted Cruz did shut down the government. It had nothing to do with our President, nor Harry Reid. These falsehoods have been firmly disproved. Mike Lee cost this state millions. They did not stand up for any constitutional principles or values. They betrayed Americans, and continue to do so. Every time they are asked what they have done to better Americans, they have NO answers! None. Then they go about saying the same things bad mouthing everything. CNN asked Cruz what his solutions would be. It stopped him in his tracks! he had no answer. He has no plan.

    They are not patriots and just because the "majority" voted them in doesn't make them right.

    Oh and thanks to his party poor people are yet again betrayed by the minimum wage legislation.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 1, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    I agree with Mr. Nohavec about leaders in office in office not doing what the majority of Americans want done. It was the dems, not the GOP that forced Obamacare on us when the majority opposed it.

    We have people like harry reid and BO who shut down the government (the house passed legislation to keep it open, harry wouldn’t allow a vote) and cost the economy billions of dollars, and they call themselves leaders? I think they are just the opposite! We (the voters) need to get rid of these kind of game-players and elect good people.

    Ranch,
    You mean how Matheson “represented” me even though I disagreed with most of what he did?

    One vote,
    BO was re-elected – yeah, where IS the accountability for failure? a masterful, deceptive, divisive campaign and a complacent lap-dog media remove any accountability for failure.

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2014 8:41 a.m.

    Don apparently has not paid attention to what really caused the government shutdown. There were several alternative budgetary bills presented in congress by the Republican legislators but Harry Reid and the Democratic administration refused to even bring them up for consideration.

    They preferred to shut down the government and blame it on congress people like Senators Lee and Paul. Regretably, many people like you failed to see the truth.

  • Samson01 S. Jordan, UT
    May 1, 2014 8:33 a.m.

    I, for one, support Mike Lee and look forward to working to keep him in office for another term.

  • bill in af American Fork, UT
    May 1, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    I agree with Don. We have not been represented by Mike Lee very well. Moderate Utahns are not having their voices heard. His no compromising attitude on ObamaCare is what helped shut down the government at the cost of the Utah economy. As a state delegate, I was amazed at the standing ovation Lee got at the convention last week. With delegates like that, we will be stuck with Mike Lee for a long time. Time for me to drop the Republican Party. I am now an Independent. I'll support any candidate who really understands the Constitution.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 1, 2014 8:27 a.m.

    Don,
    Nice letter. problem is... you demonstrate the exact problem you lament.

    You conveniently ignore that the majority of UTAHNS (the only people who can vote for Mike Lee, and the only people he commits to represent in Washington)... VOTED FOR MIKE LEE...

    ===

    You said, "We (the voters) need to get rid of these kind of thinkers and elect GOOD people who will represent the MAJORITY of the people of Utah....

    Your sentence is full of judgmental false presumptions:
    Presumption #1 - Mike Lee is not a "good" person.
    Presumption #2 - That the majority didn't vote for him.
    Presumption #3 - That he doesn't represent the "Majority" in Utah.

    -I think the majority of Utahns DID vote for Mike Lee... and they probably will again. I mean we DID have an election, and they counted the votes... and the majority voted for him... did I miss something?

    -He is GOOD person.

    -He does represent the Utah "MAJORITY".

    ===

    Just because YOU... and the vocal Democrat minority disagree with him... doesn't mean the "Majority" of Utahns dislike him (false presumption).

    Assuming whatever YOU want... is what the "Majority" wants... despite losing the election... is bogus logic...

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    What happened to accountability for failure. He and his mentor Senator Cruz should have resigned.

  • Mark l SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 1, 2014 8:05 a.m.

    We need more people like Mike Lee who understand that government needs to be restrained.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    May 1, 2014 7:55 a.m.

    You who think you are moderate, ie liberals/socialists, have plenty of representation in Washington. They may not come from Utah, but you have your 'guys'.

    It is us conservatives who are under represented in Washington.

    May God bless Mike Lee. He is not perfect, but he does the best he can, and he is making the conservative voice be heard. Without him, the socialist agenda would move forward unchecked until we become Greece.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    May 1, 2014 7:43 a.m.

    "We have people like Mike Lee who shut down the government"

    Mike Lee didn't shut the government down. Senator Harry Obama Reid shut down the government when he refused to take up the budget bill in the Senate which was passed by the House. Remember, according to the US Constitution, all funding bills are to originate in the House of Representatives... which it did. And the Senate is to take up the bill and either accept it or reject it... and it didn't.

    And Utah does have someone who represents the majority. How do you think Lee got elected if not by a vote of the majority?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 1, 2014 6:53 a.m.

    The letter is wrong on many counts. Every Senator has taken an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. The Constitution requires that Congress limit itself to do ONLY those things enumerated in that Contract. No Senator can propose or vote to accept any legislation that violates the limits placed upon the Federal Government by the Constitution.

    Too many people think that the people can demand services from the Federal Government that lie outside the authority of the Federal Government. The Constitution protects America from those people.

    The President shut down the government. He and he alone executed the order to shut down the parks, even though the parks were fully funded. He and he alone executed the order to shut down the FAA, even though the FAA was fully funded. He and he alone executed the order to shut down WIC, even though WIC was fully funded.

    Mike Lee and a few other Senators have sufficient respect for their oath and for the Constitution to not be bullied by the President or by people who demand that the Constitution be ignored.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    May 1, 2014 6:52 a.m.

    @Don C. Cunningham

    Agreed. The problem, of course, is that the far right extremists who control the political machine in Utah wouldn't let that happen. Hopefully doing away with their "lock" on polical power that the far right held because of their control of the caucus system will help get true conservatives (i.e., moderate, mainstream Republicans and Democrats) into office and do away with the stranglehold on power that the far right wields.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    May 1, 2014 6:16 a.m.

    While I agree with you, Don, that Mike Lee isn't a "patriot"; I disagree about the next sentence. We don't need people who represent "the majority of Utahns", we need to elect people who will represent ALL Utahns.