@ sammygWhat's the explanation for Savanna St.? Or Idaho
(twice), Or Middle Tennessee St. (Home-home), Or New Mexico St. (home-home), or
Hawaii (home-home)?, among others......
Let's set the record straight on Idaho St. scheduling.AD Holmoe
probably had ZERO options when it came to filling out BYU's first seasons
as an independent.And then we have the PAC 12 scheduling a cupcake
for its cupcake? Now that is really funny.
@ FACTchequerAre you seriously comparing Colorado to Idaho St. and
Savanna St.? There are weak opponents, and then there are high school
Looking at u's schedule I can only see one sure win with maybe two
toss-ups. The rest of the season will all be loses. But hey, utah is in the
pac so 2.5 wins should get them a bowl game right?
2ferWhether your conference assigns you a weak opponent, or you
Independently schedule a weak opponent, is inconsequential. They're still a
weak opponent.Besides, nobody knows from year to year how good, or
bad, a particular team might be, especially when opponents are scheduled several
years in advance, as is the case with most non-conference opponents (which, in
BYU's case, is every scheduled opponent).When BYU played USC
during the Crowton era in 2003 and 2004, the Trojans were National Championship
contenders, but the Trojans could just as easily have been similar to the
mediocre team Utah beat in the Las Vegas Bowl a few years earlier.Utah could be 8-4 this season, but they could just as easily be 4-8. Which team will Michigan face in September?
ND95CA:"...the only real choice BYU currently has is whether to
remain Independent or rejoin the MWC."Not quite. The MWC
requires a 75% approval from member institutions before another school can
receive and invitation, and I believe the cougars won't get it. They
burned a lot of bridges when they left. Besides, the MWC is already
at 12 teams. That means they'd need a 14th team to balance, and who would
they get? I think we could pretty much rule out the MWC inviting Idaho or NMSU.
And ditto for any FBS-aspiring FCS teams. UNM might vouch for UTEP, but there
would just be too many old MWC teams blackballing the Y for UTEP to be
attractive enough.I think If the cougars decide they need to rejoin
a conference, they're best bet is to petition C-USA. There seems to be
enough room over there. With ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa leaving, C-USA falls to an
11-team conference -- just one short of a conference championship game. Plus,
you'll get to renew your epic series with Middle Tenn. and, you can force
Southern Miss to renege on their cancellation
mussingaround:Idaho St. is an FCS team in the Big Sky. Colorado is
Pac-12 team in the elite "power conference" of the Pac-12. BIG
difference there. Huge actually.Ooops!
Jeff 1s:"It was so fun to read the comments from certain fans
about BYU playing Idaho St. last year. Gee, guess who has a game with Idaho St.
this year?"First of all, Utah fans were deriding your scheduling
of Idaho St. because you don't play a brutal schedule like we do, so you
can't really justify playing an FCS team. Second, as weak as
Idaho St. is....Savannah St. is ever weaker! ISU went 3-9 last year, whereas
SSt 1-11; and that one win was vs. an NAIA team. And guess who plays Savannah
St. this year?And YOU'RE criticizing US for scheduling Idaho
St? Just a little hypocritical there don't you think? And then to call US
hypocritical is even MORE hypocritical.Typical hypocritical coug.
Uteanymous:"Now you're just making stuff up. Utah is...0-4
versus Boise State."Nope. YOU'RE just making stuff up. If
Utah beat Boise St. back in 1985 and 1987, we couldn't possibly be 0-4 vs.
the Broncos."And since the topic of discussion is whether or not
BYU's 2014 Defense will be challenged, BYU's record versus USC and
Stanford is completely irrelevant."And Utah's record vs.
Texas and Houston is at relevant? Where is your castigation of mussingaround?
He's the one who injected irrelevant statistics into this discussion.
Typical hypocritical coug.
@ mussingaround and UteanymousUtah is playing a conf. game. BYU
independently scheduled Idaho St. for late November. HUGE difference.Same story this year. Utah's final home game is against Arizona. While
BYU will be playing Savanna St.
"your predictions don't mean much"...says the king of
failed predictions.One thing we do know, the Utes have been heading
in the wrong direction if they're hoping to be in the hunt for a conference
championship - 4-5, 3-6, 2-7.Jay Drew may cover BYU football and
basketball, but that doesn't make him anymore clairvoyant than the next guy
about the ultimate outcome of college football realignment.When the
playoffs expand to 8 teams, already being predicted, who's to say that an
undefeated or 1-loss BYU wouldn't be in the mix for a playoff berth?BYU's football future is Independent of Utah's. It really
doesn't matter whether some reporter thinks Utah's situation is
Great article by Jay Drew today in the "other" newspaper. Even he, a
byu fan, acknowledges that the new power being given to the big boy conferences
"is not good for byu"Also funny is him acknowledging Holmoe
has to go beg the SEC to allow byu to be included as a power conference team
given that the SEC has mandated its teams all play a power conference team
outside the SEC. Its very very unlikely they would do that, as Jay points out,
as it opens up Pandoras box and would the conference would then have to consider
exceptions for many mid-major programs like boise or Fresno or others. The fact
that those teams are in conferences and byu isn't doesn't matter to
the SEC. They'll be telling byu "no" shortly here
about an exception. Just as the pac 12 and big 12 have done, tell byu
Ronald UharrietSWun City, Ca.My point exactly.
There is no question that BYU would be better off in a major conference. And I
think BYU would be reasonably competitive in all sports of a major conference.
In football BYU would do about as well as Utah (who, despite some of the
naysayers here, will become more competitive in PAC 12) in a major conference.
But the Sunday play thing and BYU's insistence on rebroadcasting rights is
too prohibitive and too much hassle for these conferences to deal with. I think
if BYU won a national championship, those conferences might be willing to put up
with such "hassle." But until then I think we have to accept the
reality that independence is our only option, unless we are willing to join a
lesser conference. The "freedom" that independence affords is nice, but
I am sure Holmoe would attest that scheduling is a royal pain in the neck, and
there is potential loss of motivation when there is no conference title to shoot
for.But any bowl game is better than no bowl game by the mere fact
it allows you team an extra 3 wks of valuable practice time.
ekute,"I'll venture to say that the majority of byu fans
would agree with your comment if they voiced what they're really thinking.
More fans like you need to speak up...before it's to late."LOLAs if byu fans speaking up meant something to the power
conferences.Tom Holmoe already knows what byu fans want, and
that's to be in a power conference.Guess who else knows byu and
their fans want to be in a power conference:The power
conferences.You're right that very very soon it will be too
late as its looking like power conferences are being solidified. But its not
like byu fans being more honest in their desires to join a power conference will
impact anything.We don't care they want an invite - we're
not going to invite them. And it doesn't look like the big 12
cares either, they'd rather stick with 10 teams.
Ronald Uharriet / 1984 for lifeIt's nice to dream, but the
reality is Tom Holmoe has no control over when/if an invitation to join the Big
12 or PAC 12 (the only viable options) will ever be extended to BYU.So the only real choice BYU currently has is whether to remain Independent or
rejoin the MWC.In the meantime, would you prefer to have a
pre-determined bowl before the season begins, or would your rathing take your
chances on getting an at-large invitation to whatever bowl comes calling after
all of the bowl eligible teams from the conferences?
mussing,You predicted we would get destroyed by Stanford this year
too, so your predictions don't mean much. Upsets happen. And you're
only fooling yourself if you're saying byu fans wouldn't have LOVED to
be in Utah's position of being close to a big time conference title game
and Rose bowl.Any team in the nation would be excited to be within a
few plays of a big time conference title game with a big time bowl for the
winner. Disagreeing with that is just silly.I can tell you who will
never be in the hunt for a big time conference title - teams that never get
invited to a big time conference.LOL
mussingaround,All Major Conference teams are "in the hunt". byu
decided to just go get a hotdog.
2014 bowl-less junior class"our first year we had a chance at
the Prestigious Pac 12 conference championship game and rose bowl up until the
last week of the regular season."Nope, you had a chance to play
for a chance to get destroyed by Oregon in the championship game... and you
failed miserably.In reality, you were just as close to winning the
PAC championship after losing to Colorado as you would have been if you'd
beaten Colorado.btw, a team that is incapable of winning a road game
against a conference foe with a winning record will never be "in the
hunt" for a conference title, Rose Bowl, or playoff berth... that's
just wishful thinking on your part.
Ronald Uharriet,I'll venture to say that the majority of byu fans
would agree with your comment if they voiced what they're really thinking.
More fans like you need to speak up...before it's to late.
Funny/witty screen nameOrem, UTThis is my fantasy coaching
Staff.HC: Andy ReidDC: BroncoOC: CrowtonQBC: Tye DetmerOC: Steve YoungReceicvers Coach: Ben CahoonYou fill in the positions below:Line Coach:Secondary
Coach:Other coaching positions:Recuriting coaches:
1984 for lifeSalt Lake City, UTI agree with your comment 100%
It sounds like something that I would write for myself.I believe
that you and I love the sport of Football and our favorite team in that sport is
BYU.We both want BYU to be all that it can be and that just can’t
happen as long as we schedule guaranteed meaningless bowl games each year.I would rather be #5,6, or 7 in a Big 5 conference wondering if we might
be good enough to get a bowl this season, than to be guaranteed a meaningless
bowl because we are #1,2, or 3 in a meaningless conference or as an Independent.
Jeff,I find it an embarrassment to use teams like the Middle
Tennessee Blue Raiders to recall memories, when it would be a sense of pride, to
instead recall the memories of the games weplayed vs. Texas, Va, Utah,
Boise State. I would rather be alloud to forget that we ever played
the games that we knew the outcome of before we played those no contest games.
I don’t like being the Giant in the David story. I have much more pride
when we play the games where we are the David.Ron
midpacmajorSalt Lake City, UtahWhy are you assuming that I am
referring to Utah in my comment? No where do I mention Utah.What I
do believe is that the teams that are in the major conferences have a lot more
to play for than BYU does at this point in time. How successful some of those
teams are at achieving the ultimate reward that their conference offers is
another discussion. However,Mr Holmnoe has admitted that he schedules for
a bowl game every year. My point, refering only to BYU, is that I
would prefer to be in a major conference, competing for a bowl game of
significance rather than scheduling to assure attendance at a bowl game.
wacmajor,When was the last time Utah played for something
meaningful? Are you kidding?our first year we had a chance at the
Prestigious Pac 12 conference championship game and rose bowl up until the last
week of the regular season.Unlike byu, who after losing to big
brother Utah or Virginia or whoever you lose to early on in the season, you have
ZERO hope of any good bowl game.Utah will be in the hunt for a pac
12 title and big time bowl game almost every season at the 3/4 mark of the
season, as many teams will be within a couple losses of each other.If you think having 100% chance at being locked into a horrible bowl at week 2
is no different than being in the hunt for a big time conference championship
and big time bowl game is no different...LOLKeep telling yourself
that!And yet, isn't it interesting that every big time program
in the nation(other than notre dame) prefers the route we're in(being in a
big time conference playing for big time bowls)
1984 for lifeWhen has Utah played for anything "meaningful"
since joining the PAC 12?Simply playing games in a major conference
doesn't mean much if all you are is cannon fodder for the big boys of the
conference to pad their conference records.btw, "major
bowls" will become less and less "meaningful" as the playoffs take
root and expand.Just like the NCAA basketball tournament, the only
"meaningful" post-season games will be played in the playoffs. Major bowls will become just like the NIT; a fun reward for teams that
aren't good enough to make the playoffs.
With Bronco at the helm, the defense will always be good. It is just expected.
I predict that the defense will be better than last year, with a much stronger
secondary. If you have a stronger secondary that places less strain on the
front 7. The offense, hopefully, will be better than it was last year. If it
is, it will be a great season! Go Cougs!
Maybe if we schedule all of the lower tiered teams in every conference in the
country, we can continue our bowl streak and these meaningless bowls.
Eventually we need to get into a major conference where we can actually play for
something meaningful.For me, playing for a meaningless bowl game is
not as satisfying as playing for a major bowl game, even if that means no bowl
game at all.
Tajemnica"I think the other team will be well past being in a
must win situation just to become bowl eligible. That game will probably be 2-3
weeks earlier."Name the six games from the following list that
you think will be "lock wins" for Utah before the Utes play their last
three regular season games... Here's the list:Idaho
StateFresno Stateat MichiganWashington Stateat UCLAat Oregon StateUSCat Arizona StateOregonThis
should be interesting.
@CougarSunDevilI think you're being generous to utah. I think
finishing 3-9 will be a good year for them.
@ uteanymous"Of course, the most important thing to be decided
is which team will be playing their final regular season game with a bowl
invitation already in hand, and which team will be in a must-win situation just
to become bowl eligible."I have a feeling that your comment will
not become factual. I agree with the first part that one team will be playing
their final regular season game with a bowl invitation already in hand but I
think the other team will be well past being in a must win situation just to
become bowl eligible. That game will probably be 2-3 weeks earlier.
@idablu - don't you know that wookie and other ute "fans" get to
hide behind the color they cheer for and deflect responsibility to do what is
right on those people who cheer for the color blue?I know its
absurd, but they're convinced that if someone wants an excuse for bad
behavior, all they have to do is cheer for the color red and suddenly they can
point fingers at anyone in blue even when they're engaged in the exact same
behavior. And no, its somehow not hypocritical of them either. Typical ute
"fans"I think the defense wont be quite as good this year,
just too many star players to replace. It will probably be good enough,
although I'm guessing the offense will be average.
"Of course, the most important thing to be decided is which team will be
playing their final regular season game with a bowl invitation already in hand,
and which team will be in a must-win situation just to become bowl
eligible."Yeah, BYU will have the invite and Utah State might
need to win at the end to be bowl eligible, though I think they will probably be
bowl eligible before the end of the season. I know you weren't referring to
Utah because they won't even be in a position at the end of the season to
be bowl eligible...again. Four wins. Five if they Stanford someone, but
that's only because most of the PAC are overlooking Utah. And rightfully
2fer"Everybody plays one or two lower level or "bad"
teams each season."Season-ending opponents:Utah at
ColoradoBYU at CaliforniaOf course, the most important thing
to be decided is which team will be playing their final regular season game with
a bowl invitation already in hand, and which team will be in a must-win
situation just to become bowl eligible.
One has to read through the flowerly lines to get a real sense. In order to do
that one needs to look at history. Historically, Mendenhall is
awesome at Defense, and when he talks like this about his defense it means
something. I am truly excited to see this unit on the field. I remember back in
the day when we went 14-1 and beat Kansas in the Cotton Bowl we had a defensive
backfield that included two corners that enabled our entire defense to be
dominant. Bacon and Morgan?In any case...I'm excited to see
what happens here, and like the comment regarding the Seattle Seahawks....great
defenses win championships!Go BYU!!
2fer"Typically those games happen early in the season, not late
in November on senior day."See Utah versus Colorado... a team
that is 8-28 since joining the PAC 12 and hasn't finished with a winning
season since 2005.ooops!
Being worst in a power conference like us is more than enough to still be
prestegous like us even though we don’t get to go to bowl games
@ JeffNot really. Everybody plays one or two lower level or
"bad" teams each season. Typically those games happen early in the
season, not late in November on senior day.
"Top 10 QB" & "the Cougs have a shot at special seasons the
next two years, regardless of the SOS."You might want to pump
the brakes a little bit. I think those two things are at odds with reality.
Boycott professional division I football and basketball.
It's great the defense should still be good, but I think we all want to see
the offense of old match this great defense. Even when Anae had BYU in the top
25 scoring 30-50 points on everyone would be something. Let's air it out
and make defenses match BYU's. I really hope Jordan is healthy this year.
He was a big part of what made BYU #3 in defense two years ago.
It was so fun to read the comments from certain fans about BYU playing Idaho St.
last year. Gee, guess who has a game with Idaho St. this year? Just a little
Hipocritical. And the disparaging scheduling comments continue. Aint that
Haha utah can't beat are schedule!
After reviewing byu's schedule and bowl commitment I agree with Jeff Call
100%. go cougars. There's no reason why they can't culminate an 11-1
season with a glorious victory in the miami beach bowl. soooo excited.
@wookieYeah we could all take a lesson from Ute fans and players,
who are the highest example of sportsmanship, respect for opponents, and
civility. Especially the fans who redefine representing your school with class.
I just love the headline. Wishing vs reality. BYU and UTAH just are not that
Great post Robyuuki. I agree completely. It is interesting to see how confident
the coaches are in the defense this year. I think there are some question marks,
but they seem to know them best. Bronco is a straight shooter and it would be
easy to tell if he lacked confidence in his D. For the first time in a
long time, the QB position seems somewhere between solid and amazing depending
on Hill's accuracy, timing and vision this year. I love Jr. and Sr.
qb's! This is how a program should be developed, not starting freshmen at
qb. For the first time in 3-4 yrs. there should be a really good offense and
defense. Based on the comments by our Utah persons in this article, past
articles this yr and surely furture articles, I think they sense this will
likely be a solid yr. for the cougs and so the strategy is to discount the
schedule, etc. etc. Good luck boyz up north. Hey navel, I'm one
cougar fan who's really excited for this year, so mark me down. Han
Solo? Are you out there. You need to reign in Chubacca.
@54-10 - "We'll never know what kind of defense the team has when it
plays such a pathetic schedule. Sad really because most athletes want to
"test themselves"I think you meant to comment on a Utah
article and intended to say - We'll never know what kind of defense Utah
has when it plays such a schedule. Sad really because Utah defense will get
pushed all over the field against teams that are clearly superior. Most
athletes want to play for a program where they have a shot at a winning record,
on national TV with a chance to play in a bowl game.I do wish the
Utes would have been willing to schedule BYU instead of Fresno St the next two
years. BYU is loaded the next two years with great receivers, RBs, a Top 10 QB.
Match the offense with a defense that is in reload mode, instead of rebuilding,
the Cougs have a shot at special seasons the next two years, regardless of the
"this article was just a puff piece designed to give cougar fans something
to be excited about."Can an article even be written that would
give Ute fans something to be excited about? Enjoy the Idaho State game. It
could really ugly after that.
navelvet"Well if you discount all the teams on your weak SOS
schedule that the Utes had never even scheduled, there are only 2: Texas and
Houston."Now you're just making stuff up.Utah
is 0-1 versus Texas, 0-4 versus Houston, and 0-4 versus Boise State.Sorry, but games versus junior colleges don't count.And since
the topic of discussion is whether or not BYU's 2014 Defense will be
challenged, BYU's record versus USC and Stanford is completely
irrelevant.It's laughable how frequently Utah fans spam BYU
articles without even attempting to address the germane topic, like "BYU
Cougars expect to field another solid defense this fall", which none of our
jealous little brothers even tried to dispute.
Honestly, I can't tell if Jeff Call really believes the "cougars expect
to field another solid defense this fall", or if he REALLY believes the
'cougars expect to face another season of poor quality offenses lining up
opposite the cougars defense", and that this article was just a puff piece
designed to give cougar fans something to be excited about. Because I just
don't see Y fans that excited about UConn, Houston, UCF, UNR, Middle Tenn,
UNLV, or Savannah St.
goblu"I bet the poor boys up north with they could play in a
bowl game. Hard to get 6 wins with a pathetic offense playing in a conference
who can count a match up with you as an easy victory."I know ASU
looks at the Utah game as an easy victory. It's one of those games that ASU
has nothing to gain and everything to lose when playing them. When ASU wins,
it's expected and it does nothing for ASU's strength of schedule or
notoriety. If ASU loses (which they haven't done since before 1977), then
it's a VERY bad loss and could jeopardize the whole season. The only reason
Utah's win over Stanford didn't hurt Stanford was because they got
lucky when Oregon stumbled too.
@Chris BThe Big 12 doesn't switch names because the Big 10 name
is already taken. Duh.Secondly, adding teams doesn't
automatically make the conference better and wealthier. It simply forces them to
divide their financial pie among two more teams, so they would probably actually
make less money.You obviously don't understand how college
football works. Or big business.
mussingaround:"At least 3 of the teams on BYU's schedule
are teams the Utes have NEVER beaten."Well if you discount all
the teams on your weak SOS schedule that the Utes had never even scheduled,
there are only 2: Texas and Houston.On the flip side, Utah will be
facing 2 teams the Y had NEVER beaten: USC and Stanford.So
what's your point?
I've lived in the Seattle area for the past 30 years, and watched our
Seahawks win it all with an elite defense and mobile quarterback. I'm glad
to see the Cougars following the same pattern.
If Byu wins 5 games they will go to the same bowl as utah!
@Pac 12,Isn't it funny that the big 12 would rather continue to
call themselves the big 12 to maintain history even though they are only a 10
team league and can't find a worthy addition to make teams 11 and 12?LOLYes, the byu defense will likely put up good numbers
again, against a WAC-like schedule in terms of difficulty.3 total
power conference teams, and 2 of those are the worst in their conferences.However, even being worst in a power conference, like Virginia, is more
than enough to beat most non-power conference teams like byu as we saw last
year.Virginia didn't beat a single power conference team all
last yearIn fact, they didn't beat a single division 1 team all
year, other than byu of course.
Rise and Shout! This is awesome news. I cannot wait to see true
sportsmanship at its finest. I always enjoy how gracious BYU players and their
fans are and how they represent their school and faith, it is so awesome.
Cheering on the defense will be so much fun this year. One thing you know about
Bronco's defense is they are always tough and well coached and act in the
highest manner possible to represent the school and its faith; classy and true
sportsmanship abound. Watching Kyle Van Noy shake the Ute players hands after
the loss last year was and is the epitome of what is being taught by Bronco.
This same level of sportsmanship was also on display when Max Hall congratulated
the U and its fan base for a a great game. This is great news for the Y. Go UTES!!
54iqAt least 3 of the teams on BYU's schedule are teams the
Utes have NEVER beaten.
No talk of JonRyheem Peoples? Come on now. He is one of the players I am most
excited about watching his development on the D-Line. As a red-shirt freshman,
I want to see him get lots of reps.
Love the fan support, glad to know Ute fans can still pay a lot of attention to
BYU even in a year where there is no BYU-Utah game.Personally I
would love it if BYU, USU and Utah all go to bowl games this year. Two out of
three wasn't bad last year with USU being the only team that won their bowl
game.Go Cougars, Utes and Aggies!
At 54-10:I bet the poor boys up north with they could play in a bowl game.
Hard to get 6 wins with a pathetic offense playing in a conference who can count
a match up with you as an easy victory.
I'm excited for the season, both BYU and ASU. I figure BYU will have a good
defense this year. I'm hoping BYU's offense is MUCH improved from last
year. BYU should have the best outcome in the state of Utah this year. Miami
Beach Bowl? Maybe. Could be better though. Every fan hopes their team will be
brought into a better bowl. I'd say BYU's chances of making a New
Years eve/day bowl game is better than anyone's in the state of Utah. So if
BYU's chances are nil, then...
I am glad to see that BYU's defence is continuing to be strong. The
defensive backfield has been a week spot for years. The transfers and healthy
players returning should be able to make that area a strong suit. - at least
expected to do so. Having played so many years ago and now watching my boys
experience the thrill, I hope that the Offence can return to is prior glory days
and releave the defence of so much burden to carry on their shoulders.It is looking better and better all the time. I say look out Texas we are
coming to your house. Those that have not played the game can continue to
complain about the schedule strength. Holmoe is doing an incredible job with
his hands tied being independant. And you never know a schedule's strength
until it plays out. Several of the teams listed have all been in the national
champ hunt in the last decade. Can't say that about the Mountain West Conf
Hopefully the teams on the schedule will be stronger than expected and the BYU
defense is tested. Really. Do we know exactly how good or bad cal , boise
state, UCF and Houston will be? Of course not. That's why the season is
played. Looking forward to seeing the Cougars play and play in a
bowl regardless of the opponents' strength.
The defense will be good enough to land a Miami Beach Bowl Invitation. No
better, no worse.
We'll never know what kind of defense the team has when it plays such a
pathetic schedule. Sad really because most athletes want to "test
themselves" against the best competition and I would assume the BYU athletes
are no different.