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  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 4, 2014 8:14 p.m.

    "Despite all of their spinning, the record speaks for itself."

    TM:

    So tell us again: How do the y faithful spin their way out of losing 9 of 12 and 4 in a row?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    May 4, 2014 6:05 p.m.

    TheSportsAuthority
    Arlington, VA
    "speaking of the Colorado loss, did I hear somebody say 2-10 Virginia?"

    Similar outcomes, but under very different circumstances.

    BYU's loss to 2-10 Virginia occurred first game of the season, on the road, on a rain-soaked, puddle-filled field, with a 2-hour lightning delay in the 2nd quarter, and with a starting QB who was playing his first game after season-ending knee surgery after only starting three games his Freshman season. And even then, BYU lead 7-3 at halftime and 16-12 late in the game until a tipped pass interception gave Virginia the chance to score the winning touchdown with under 3 minutes left in the game.

    Utah's loss to 3-10 Colorado occurred last game of the regular season, at home, in perfect weather. Utah was completely dominated at home by a team that hadn't won a road game in 4 years. The Utes trailed 10-0 at halftime, never lead at any point in the game, and went scoreless in the 4th quarter after closing the gap to 17-14 late in the 3rd quarter.

    _____

    Does not matter the circumstances or time of season. If you are not up for a game then tough.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2014 10:25 a.m.

    11+ Wins During the Bronco/Kyle era
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    11+ Wins in the MWC
    BYU 4
    Utah 2

    11+ Wins Lifetime
    BYU 11
    Utah 2

    Despite all of their spinning, the record speaks for itself. The Utes have basically had two great seasons during their entire football history, and little else.

    And even in those two great seasons, Utah never even came close to winning a crystal football national championship trophy - 5th in 2004 and 4th in 2008.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2014 7:29 p.m.

    Uteology
    East Salt Lake City, Utah

    "Congrats on your ONE more #25 AP ranking."

    Thank you. Now, that wasn't so difficult, was it? To complete the picture you started, congrats to Utah on their two (2) BCS busing seasons, world class research, and strong portfolio of academic endeavors including a world class medical school.

    Pac-12 worthy? Yep...you better believe it!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 2, 2014 1:25 p.m.

    PAC man
    Anaheim, CA

    "Contrary to the way some think here in our market, the jump to a major conference is not the same as playing teams from a major conference a few times a year."

    U were never much more than a mediocre team even in the WAC/MWC.

    --------------

    Not in the MWC.

    Utah had 4 titles (BYU 4).
    Utah had 7 better win-loss seasons (BYU 5).
    Utah had 4 AP rankings (BYU 5)

    The difference?

    Utah had 2 undefeated AP top 5 ranked teams, including the highest ranked mid-major in the BCS era. Utah beat 4 ranked teams in one year alone (2008 #6, #7, #18, and #25). Since 1996 BYU has beat 3 ranked teams, no win over a Power 5 final ranked team.

    Congrats on your ONE more #25 AP ranking.

  • Jeremy234 SLC, UT
    May 2, 2014 9:34 a.m.

    I don't understand how Utah is a poor cultural fit for the PAC, it is a very liberal University in the middle of a very liberal city in the western United States.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2014 9:38 p.m.

    snack

    The big 12 must not want to get viewership in Utah right? That's why they wont invite byu?

    And the pac 12 must not want 2 teams in any given market right? Except for Arizona and Arizona State, Oregon and Oregon State, Washington and Washington State, USC and UCLA, and CAL and Stanford. That's why we wont invite you huh?

    LOL.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2014 6:57 p.m.

    Snack PAC
    Olympus Cove, Utah

    Let's make certain one thing is very clear...The University of Utah was found worthy to join one of the most prestigious group of schools in the nation. The reason the conference expanded is irrelevant. The bottom line is that Utah was judged and found worthy.

    As Christopher B stated above...We earned our BCS invitation and I love my pac 12 membership!

    Go Utes!

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2014 4:57 p.m.

    Snack PAC
    Olympus Cove, Utah

    "Utah was invited to join the PAC for the same reason Colorado, Rutgers and Maryland were invited to the join the PAC/B1G - untapped television markets within close proximity of the conference's established footprint."

    Of course the Pac-12 was seeking to expand it's geographical footprint. Nothing wrong with that. So what's your point? Clearly, Utah and Colorado were the most attractive targets within that footprint.

    As far as your assertion regarding excellence in athletics I will simply refer you to Larry Scott's comments before the Utah Oregon St football game last year.

    Rise and pout!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 1, 2014 4:36 p.m.

    CB

    Don't kid yourself; Utah was invited to join the PAC for the same reason Colorado, Rutgers and Maryland were invited to the join the PAC/B1G - untapped television markets within close proximity of the conference's established footprint.

    After 3 full seasons in the conference, you've proven that it wasn't because of the excellence of your athletic programs.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    May 1, 2014 1:57 p.m.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again.

    We earned our BCS invitation and I love my pac 12 membership!

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2014 11:49 a.m.

    These comments are silly.

    Bottom line, and to the point of the article...Utah will forge it's on destiny as a member of an elite conference. Even ND sees the futility of pure independence and jumped aboard the elite conference train at just the right time. byu-provo? It will be fun to read the comments of byu-provo fans when their own reality begins to sink in. The split is coming and the haves will continue to have; the have nots will be left far behind. For now at least, it'a all ponies and rainbows for the byu-provo faithful.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    May 1, 2014 11:31 a.m.

    Is there anything more adorable than BYU fans talking smack about strength of schedule?

    If Utah 2008 had a "mediocre schedule" I'd love to hear what you think about BYU 2014.

    Don't worry, I won't even ask about 1984.

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 1, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    @PAC man "Other than a couple of breakout seasons in 2004 and 2008, against mediocre schedules...."

    If 2008 with wins against 4 ranked teams and a #56 SOS was weak, then by your definition 1986 was a complete joke considering there were zero ranked teams and a #104 SOS.

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 1, 2014 9:54 a.m.

    @CG "BYU played a tougher schedule in 2013 (#38) than any schedule Utah had ever played prior to 2013"

    Likewise, Utah played a tougher schedule in 2013 (#3) than BYU has ever played in it's history? Instead of comparing 2013 to 2012 and so on, look at comparative SOS year by year. Including the 2014 season Utah will have played a tougher schedule than BYU 6 of the last 7 years. Remember this discussion was started by a BYU fan (Swoop) coming on a Utah thread to make claims about the weakness of Utah’s SOS, which is a mind boggling when you look at the numbers below:

    2008 56 vs 74
    2009 75 vs 61
    2010 50 vs 55
    2011 49 vs 90
    2012 41 vs 63
    2013 3 vs 38
    2014 projected top 3 vs 70+

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    May 1, 2014 9:52 a.m.

    -TheSportsAuthority

    So let me get this straight. Day 1 out of the gate last year byu didn't have any gas in the tank. (After Bronco stated, again, that fall camp is too long. They didn't need that much time to get ready for the season.)

    Utah, in 2011, after their first season in the big boy league, with Jordan Wynn out, John White out, and others, Utah had run out of gas.

    I see. You're right. Very different circumstances. Thanks.

    A Utah Man am I! Go Utes!

  • Go Utes! Springville, UT
    May 1, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    @CG

    I am looking on ESPN at BYU's 2012 schedule and I only see 3 top 25 teams.... And three big old red "L's" next to those. Likewise I see that Utah also played 3 top 25 teams.

    Are you counting San Jose State and Weber as your other two top 25 teams?

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 1, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    @TSA "Similar outcomes, but under very different circumstances...BYU's loss to 2-10 Virginia occurred first game of the season, on the road, on a rain-soaked, puddle-filled field, with a 2-hour lightning delay in the 2nd quarter.

    I suppose Virgina was playing on a dry field, blue skies and no time delay while. Yet BYU was on on a rain-soaked, puddle-filled field, with a 2-hour lightning delay.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    May 1, 2014 7:48 a.m.

    "speaking of the Colorado loss, did I hear somebody say 2-10 Virginia?"

    Similar outcomes, but under very different circumstances.

    BYU's loss to 2-10 Virginia occurred first game of the season, on the road, on a rain-soaked, puddle-filled field, with a 2-hour lightning delay in the 2nd quarter, and with a starting QB who was playing his first game after season-ending knee surgery after only starting three games his Freshman season. And even then, BYU lead 7-3 at halftime and 16-12 late in the game until a tipped pass interception gave Virginia the chance to score the winning touchdown with under 3 minutes left in the game.

    Utah's loss to 3-10 Colorado occurred last game of the regular season, at home, in perfect weather. Utah was completely dominated at home by a team that hadn't won a road game in 4 years. The Utes trailed 10-0 at halftime, never lead at any point in the game, and went scoreless in the 4th quarter after closing the gap to 17-14 late in the 3rd quarter.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 1, 2014 7:38 a.m.

    "BYU played a tougher schedule in 2013 (#38) than any schedule Utah had ever played prior to 2013, tougher than Utah's 2012 and 2011 schedules, and a lot tougher than Utah's 2008 and 2004 schedules."

    CG:

    Love the spin, but you left off the most important point: ""but still not as tough as Utah's 2013 schedule (#3)"

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    May 1, 2014 6:55 a.m.

    More power is being given to us because we are in a power conference even though we are OUT of bowl games anymore but we still have lots of power anyway.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 1, 2014 12:07 a.m.

    Swoop didn't mention, or even allude to BYU, even once in his comments, yet the only thing the kids on the hill could talk about is BYU.

    And, not a single Utah fan even tried to dispute the actual substance of Swoop's comments.

    Bottom line, the truth hurts, and the only apparent way of assuaging that pain is to ignore reality and attack BYU.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    April 30, 2014 11:55 p.m.

    "Contrary to the way some think here in our market, the jump to a major conference is not the same as playing teams from a major conference a few times a year."

    U were never much more than a mediocre team even in the WAC/MWC.

    Other than a couple of breakout seasons in 2004 and 2008, against mediocre schedules, how many 11+ win seasons has Utah had in the last 50 years? How many AP Top 25 finishes? How many conference championships?

  • CG Orem, UT
    April 30, 2014 11:47 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    What weak scheduling?

    BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2012 (Utah only played TWO) and BYU played a tougher schedule in 2013 (#38) than any schedule Utah had ever played prior to 2013, tougher than Utah's 2012 and 2011 schedules, and a lot tougher than Utah's 2008 and 2004 schedules.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 30, 2014 9:52 p.m.

    Swoop:

    On the othe hand, blue-pompon toting fans continue to congratulate themselves by extolling their midmajor mediocrity due to their weak scheduling, while the truth is, they'll never have a tough conference schedule.

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 30, 2014 7:11 p.m.

    @ Swoop "7th out of 9 in the "How's it going" category of realignment - as usual, a bottom dweller."

    Given the state of college football today, it's better to be a cellar dweller in the Big 5 than on the outside looking in.

    @ Swoop "the truth is, their conference schedule wasn't all that tough in 2011, with 5 home games... yet the Utes still weren't good enough to beat 10-loss Colorado at home to win the PAC 12 South.

    But good enough to beat your Cougars 4 years in a row in the game that BYU players call their "super bowl". And speaking of the Colorado loss, did I hear somebody say 2-10 Virginia? That's a mirror check Swoop.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    April 30, 2014 6:46 p.m.

    Langi move to DE is good. Now listed as 6'2", 250lbs. Runningbacks are more around 200. Rivals commentary in 2010 "Do not be surprised if he gets some looks as a defensive player because he has the build and tenacity of a middle linebacker."

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    April 30, 2014 3:49 p.m.

    Its becoming all the more important to be in a power conference. More power is being given to these conferences, as it should be, and the power conferences are headed towards becoming division 1 with non-power conference teams being division II.

    Utah is IN
    byu is OUT
    usu is OUT

    And I love it!

    We'll have our day, and I'm fine going through the learning process and developing the program in the prestigious pac 12.

    Onward and upward to pac 12 glory

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    April 30, 2014 2:01 p.m.

    That's about right. TCU and Utah are both coming from the MWC which is a weak and pathetic league compared to the Pac 12. The rest of the teams were already in BCS conferences and were competing quite well in their conferences.

    Is Swoop the screen name you chose in order to act like a wolf dressed in sheep clothing? Lol.

    Let's be honest for a moment. A "partially eligible" USC team had 9 athletes drafted into the NFL in 2012 from that 2011 team. That "pathetic" division in 2011 as you say was the toughest schedule Utah had ever played. Utah's two BCS teams would not have been unbeaten in the Pac 12. BYU's 1984 would have lost multiple games had they played Utah's schedule. It's not the same and nobody is making excuses. Can't compare Wolves to Poodles. That is the difference in schedules from any team outside of a power conference.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    April 30, 2014 1:36 p.m.

    7th out of 9 in the "How's it going" category of realignment - as usual, a bottom dweller.

    Crimson glasses wearers continue to console themselves by blaming their mediocrity on their schedule, but the truth is, their conference schedule wasn't all that tough in 2011, with 5 home games and competing in a pathetically weak division in which ineligible USC was the only division foe that finished with a winning record, yet the Utes still weren't good enough to beat 10-loss Colorado at home to win the PAC 12 South.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    April 30, 2014 1:02 p.m.

    Contrary to the way some think here in our market, the jump to a major conference is not the same as playing teams from a major conference a few times a year.

    Utah's struggles doesn't place them below BYU just because some in blue think that having a better overall record (with a schedule not comparable) makes it so.

    Utah finished 33-6 in their last three seasons in the MWC. TCU was 47-5 in their last four seasons in the conference. Their last season was after Utah and BYU left. Now, we have many here trashing Utah for PAC 12 struggles. But have you noticed TCU's record in the BIG 12. Try 7-6 and then 4-8. That's 11-14 overall. Utah has gone 8-5, 5-7, and 5-7 which is 18-19 overall. With a healthy and productive QB, Utah will be fine. That is the central theme in Utah's struggles the last two years.