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Published: Wednesday, April 30 2014 11:25 a.m. MDT

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gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

Contrary to the way some think here in our market, the jump to a major conference is not the same as playing teams from a major conference a few times a year.

Utah's struggles doesn't place them below BYU just because some in blue think that having a better overall record (with a schedule not comparable) makes it so.

Utah finished 33-6 in their last three seasons in the MWC. TCU was 47-5 in their last four seasons in the conference. Their last season was after Utah and BYU left. Now, we have many here trashing Utah for PAC 12 struggles. But have you noticed TCU's record in the BIG 12. Try 7-6 and then 4-8. That's 11-14 overall. Utah has gone 8-5, 5-7, and 5-7 which is 18-19 overall. With a healthy and productive QB, Utah will be fine. That is the central theme in Utah's struggles the last two years.

Swoop
Salt Lake City, UT

7th out of 9 in the "How's it going" category of realignment - as usual, a bottom dweller.

Crimson glasses wearers continue to console themselves by blaming their mediocrity on their schedule, but the truth is, their conference schedule wasn't all that tough in 2011, with 5 home games and competing in a pathetically weak division in which ineligible USC was the only division foe that finished with a winning record, yet the Utes still weren't good enough to beat 10-loss Colorado at home to win the PAC 12 South.

PAC12Fan
South Jordan, UT

That's about right. TCU and Utah are both coming from the MWC which is a weak and pathetic league compared to the Pac 12. The rest of the teams were already in BCS conferences and were competing quite well in their conferences.

Is Swoop the screen name you chose in order to act like a wolf dressed in sheep clothing? Lol.

Let's be honest for a moment. A "partially eligible" USC team had 9 athletes drafted into the NFL in 2012 from that 2011 team. That "pathetic" division in 2011 as you say was the toughest schedule Utah had ever played. Utah's two BCS teams would not have been unbeaten in the Pac 12. BYU's 1984 would have lost multiple games had they played Utah's schedule. It's not the same and nobody is making excuses. Can't compare Wolves to Poodles. That is the difference in schedules from any team outside of a power conference.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Its becoming all the more important to be in a power conference. More power is being given to these conferences, as it should be, and the power conferences are headed towards becoming division 1 with non-power conference teams being division II.

Utah is IN
byu is OUT
usu is OUT

And I love it!

We'll have our day, and I'm fine going through the learning process and developing the program in the prestigious pac 12.

Onward and upward to pac 12 glory

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

Langi move to DE is good. Now listed as 6'2", 250lbs. Runningbacks are more around 200. Rivals commentary in 2010 "Do not be surprised if he gets some looks as a defensive player because he has the build and tenacity of a middle linebacker."

UU
Provo, UT

@ Swoop "7th out of 9 in the "How's it going" category of realignment - as usual, a bottom dweller."

Given the state of college football today, it's better to be a cellar dweller in the Big 5 than on the outside looking in.

@ Swoop "the truth is, their conference schedule wasn't all that tough in 2011, with 5 home games... yet the Utes still weren't good enough to beat 10-loss Colorado at home to win the PAC 12 South.

But good enough to beat your Cougars 4 years in a row in the game that BYU players call their "super bowl". And speaking of the Colorado loss, did I hear somebody say 2-10 Virginia? That's a mirror check Swoop.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Swoop:

On the othe hand, blue-pompon toting fans continue to congratulate themselves by extolling their midmajor mediocrity due to their weak scheduling, while the truth is, they'll never have a tough conference schedule.

CG
Orem, UT

JohnInSLC

What weak scheduling?

BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2012 (Utah only played TWO) and BYU played a tougher schedule in 2013 (#38) than any schedule Utah had ever played prior to 2013, tougher than Utah's 2012 and 2011 schedules, and a lot tougher than Utah's 2008 and 2004 schedules.

PAC man
Anaheim, CA

"Contrary to the way some think here in our market, the jump to a major conference is not the same as playing teams from a major conference a few times a year."

U were never much more than a mediocre team even in the WAC/MWC.

Other than a couple of breakout seasons in 2004 and 2008, against mediocre schedules, how many 11+ win seasons has Utah had in the last 50 years? How many AP Top 25 finishes? How many conference championships?

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Swoop didn't mention, or even allude to BYU, even once in his comments, yet the only thing the kids on the hill could talk about is BYU.

And, not a single Utah fan even tried to dispute the actual substance of Swoop's comments.

Bottom line, the truth hurts, and the only apparent way of assuaging that pain is to ignore reality and attack BYU.

Cletus from Coalville
Coalville, UT

More power is being given to us because we are in a power conference even though we are OUT of bowl games anymore but we still have lots of power anyway.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"BYU played a tougher schedule in 2013 (#38) than any schedule Utah had ever played prior to 2013, tougher than Utah's 2012 and 2011 schedules, and a lot tougher than Utah's 2008 and 2004 schedules."

CG:

Love the spin, but you left off the most important point: ""but still not as tough as Utah's 2013 schedule (#3)"

TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA

"speaking of the Colorado loss, did I hear somebody say 2-10 Virginia?"

Similar outcomes, but under very different circumstances.

BYU's loss to 2-10 Virginia occurred first game of the season, on the road, on a rain-soaked, puddle-filled field, with a 2-hour lightning delay in the 2nd quarter, and with a starting QB who was playing his first game after season-ending knee surgery after only starting three games his Freshman season. And even then, BYU lead 7-3 at halftime and 16-12 late in the game until a tipped pass interception gave Virginia the chance to score the winning touchdown with under 3 minutes left in the game.

Utah's loss to 3-10 Colorado occurred last game of the regular season, at home, in perfect weather. Utah was completely dominated at home by a team that hadn't won a road game in 4 years. The Utes trailed 10-0 at halftime, never lead at any point in the game, and went scoreless in the 4th quarter after closing the gap to 17-14 late in the 3rd quarter.

UU
Provo, UT

@TSA "Similar outcomes, but under very different circumstances...BYU's loss to 2-10 Virginia occurred first game of the season, on the road, on a rain-soaked, puddle-filled field, with a 2-hour lightning delay in the 2nd quarter.

I suppose Virgina was playing on a dry field, blue skies and no time delay while. Yet BYU was on on a rain-soaked, puddle-filled field, with a 2-hour lightning delay.

Go Utes!
Springville, UT

@CG

I am looking on ESPN at BYU's 2012 schedule and I only see 3 top 25 teams.... And three big old red "L's" next to those. Likewise I see that Utah also played 3 top 25 teams.

Are you counting San Jose State and Weber as your other two top 25 teams?

Magna Ute Fan
Magna, UT

-TheSportsAuthority

So let me get this straight. Day 1 out of the gate last year byu didn't have any gas in the tank. (After Bronco stated, again, that fall camp is too long. They didn't need that much time to get ready for the season.)

Utah, in 2011, after their first season in the big boy league, with Jordan Wynn out, John White out, and others, Utah had run out of gas.

I see. You're right. Very different circumstances. Thanks.

A Utah Man am I! Go Utes!

UU
Provo, UT

@CG "BYU played a tougher schedule in 2013 (#38) than any schedule Utah had ever played prior to 2013"

Likewise, Utah played a tougher schedule in 2013 (#3) than BYU has ever played in it's history? Instead of comparing 2013 to 2012 and so on, look at comparative SOS year by year. Including the 2014 season Utah will have played a tougher schedule than BYU 6 of the last 7 years. Remember this discussion was started by a BYU fan (Swoop) coming on a Utah thread to make claims about the weakness of Utah’s SOS, which is a mind boggling when you look at the numbers below:

2008 56 vs 74
2009 75 vs 61
2010 50 vs 55
2011 49 vs 90
2012 41 vs 63
2013 3 vs 38
2014 projected top 3 vs 70+

UU
Provo, UT

@PAC man "Other than a couple of breakout seasons in 2004 and 2008, against mediocre schedules...."

If 2008 with wins against 4 ranked teams and a #56 SOS was weak, then by your definition 1986 was a complete joke considering there were zero ranked teams and a #104 SOS.

truthsandwich
RANDOLPH, UT

Is there anything more adorable than BYU fans talking smack about strength of schedule?

If Utah 2008 had a "mediocre schedule" I'd love to hear what you think about BYU 2014.

Don't worry, I won't even ask about 1984.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

These comments are silly.

Bottom line, and to the point of the article...Utah will forge it's on destiny as a member of an elite conference. Even ND sees the futility of pure independence and jumped aboard the elite conference train at just the right time. byu-provo? It will be fun to read the comments of byu-provo fans when their own reality begins to sink in. The split is coming and the haves will continue to have; the have nots will be left far behind. For now at least, it'a all ponies and rainbows for the byu-provo faithful.

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