@firstamendment;Sigh...../tired of people pretending that bigotry
against homosexuals isn't every bit as bigotry against race. The two are
similar in that they are both inherant. You are what you are. Religion, on the
other hand IS A CHOICE. Bigotry is also a choice.
Sigh....:/ tired of people pretending that Homosexuality is race and that gays
can't vote or drink out of the same drinking fountains as others.
Actually, according to gaydowntownla the HRC and others, if you're Black
and gay, you might have to go to the end of the line in a gay bar, where they
still segregate by color. So, instead of pushing the agenda, I think our comment
activists would do better if they were working on eliminating the bigotry in
their own communities, where it is rampant, especially anti-religious bigotry.
Although with each passing year, another million angry white men and women die
in America and lie in their graves having succumbed to the ravages of time and
general grumpiness, race will continue to be an issue in our country as long as
attitudes such as those you can find on this thread, exist. Soft spoken, subtle,
couched in blaming the victim and rife with self loathing, it will always be the
case that many in our country want to find a way to feel that they are better
than the "other." Too often, that other will be easier to define for
them because they fear them and can tell that they are of a different ethnicity.
My family has been ethnically diverse since the early 1960's. I get ticked
when people ask me or my family what race we are. There is only 1 race, human.
Since the 1970's I have encouraged my family and friends to always answer
race questions as human. If we are filling out a form for school, work, or
government we check the other box and write in human. Legally you are whatever
race that you say that you are, no one is legally allowed to make you
"prove" whatever race they think you are.The only way to get
past the race issue is to eliminate the race names and realize that we are all
one race, human.
I taught at an HBCU (Historically Black College or University) in East Texas and
the interesting thing was how the Black students systematically discriminated
against the Latino students but all agreed that it was totally impossible for
Black people to be racists since they were once oppressed.
The song refers to the race of man, man coming from God. There is no end to the
race of the children of God and we are all Children of God. In fact one of my
all time favorite songs is titled I am a Child of God and can be sung by every
member off the human race - the Race of God. I guess that would make us all
brothers and sisters, I guess wee should be a little nicer and speak kind words
to each other if we are family.
At Stormwalker,You are the one in the historical vacuum.The Song was written in 1842, long before the remarks of Brigham Young, Bruce
McConkie and such were made. In that era, most LDS were abolitionists.
Consider the songs lyrics in that light....
* in every 'sense' of the term, too.
@see Jane comment ... That is simply not true. I lived in Mississippi 24 years.
Blacks and whites live together in every since of the term. This isn't the
1950s-60s anymore. Again, my comment isn't based on feelings or the most
recent rerun of 'Mississippi Burning'. I lived there.
"Kids are essentially colorblind and blind to prejudice, and it is our job
as parents to keep them that way."====== Agreed.My first friend was named Amos.It was 3 years later that I was
told by others that he was 'different'.Proving to me
personally that it is indeed a 'learned' thing.FYI - My
parents didn't tell me [and they were correct], it was the other kids
I choose to believe that that inspired song is referencing " there is no end
SO there is no RACE to finish. " there is no end to race"
"Will the time come when society matures to a point where we don’t
categorize or label people by the color of their skin? We can only hope
so."-----------I certainly hope so too and have ever since
first recognizing racism for what it was more than 50 years ago. Since that
time I have seen a very slow transition to a disregard for the idea of
distinguishing people on the basis of physical characteristics that nothing to
do with character. Which, of course, was the basic thesis of Martin Luther
King's famous, "I Have A Dream" speech.Sadly, there are
many people and even whole organizations that thrive on and, in some cases, owe
their entire existence to the perpetuation of sensitivity to racial distinction.
We see it now in both the idiotic comments by Sterling and in many of the
reactions to those.Hopefully, the movement will continue toward
accepting each person as an individual human being who, for that reason alone,
is entitled to the same rights as every other **individual** human being. That
is my dream and the dream of many others.
There is no end to spirit;There is no end to race.Read those
lyrics in a historical vacuum and then try and figure out a meaning that makes
sense through the lens of culture today.Or read the statements of
Brigham Young and other leaders, up through Bruce R. McConkie and Mark Peterson,
about the origins and meaning of the different races and the path of each from
pre-existence through eternal reward.Suddenly the tie between
"spirit" and "race" makes sense and takes on a much deeper and
fuller meaning in the context of the culture contemporary to the lyrics.
I choose to look at the word RACE in that inspiring song to mean "there is
no end, so no need to RACE". " there is no end to race"
My son is adopted from Ethiopia. Even in little ole' Utah, there is still
so much racism. He is now in Mississippi serving a mission, and it is extremely
racist there. Still very segregated with a VERY Black/white feeling. I always
have told him that what people say, says so much more about them, than it does
'Will racial bigotry and prejudice ever end?’ If the
Middle East is any indication, not a chance. Until people are
willing to forgive the offenses of past generations, not a chance. So far holding hate for a race is acceptable if it is based on things of past
generations. Since those things cannot be changed, they are past, we
collectively, will have to give up that grudge, for bigotry to end. I don't see that happening. Forgiveness of the ancients is the answer,
and too many won't do that. They would rather hold the grudge and be
I never felt that the lyrics "there is no end to spirit, there is no end to
race," implied anything other than physical attributes--that heaven will
include people of all kinds, not that we will all be turned into fair blondes.
FYI, the Republican Party actively recruited White Racists in its "Southern
Strategy." Look it up.Yes, of course, Racism will always be
around as long as the Republican Party stirs up racism and sympathizes with it
practitioners in attempts to get its candidates elected.
I suppose there will always be racial bigotry but today it is nothing compared
to what it was when I was a youth. In most places I have lived, it is not deeply
entrenched. In ways, the people who shout so loudly about racial problems are
making it a bigger problem than it is.
Racism and bigotry might end when all the so called white christian racists go
away, perhaps in a rapture...c'ya!
I hope we can learn to respect other people's property. There are fences,
lines, limits and boundary. Protect the borders but don't cross the line.
All it takes is a quick look at the prisons it get an idea of who's who.
The beauty of the flower garden is the many assorted colors of the flowers all
being special in their own way when united in a bouquet.
@KirkRGraves"honest discussion on the issue."That's fair, but goes both ways. One side wants equal access to an
institution currently reserved by a narrow definition that they feel should be
expanded to include same gender couples. The other side (yours presumably) wants
the definition maintained and to reluctantly open alternative avenues for same
gender couples to gain the monetary benefits of marriage, but with a different
title. The honesty breaks down at the point of why same-sex couples do not
qualify for marital status under the law. The actual reason is that
homosexuality is condemned in the Bible and thus considered a choice by lustful
or sexually confused individuals, rather than a natural occurrence in both ours
and every other observed dual-gender species. So the question raised is: why are
the legal defenses for prop 8 and it's replicants not addressing the
Biblical origins of the argument and instead providing debunked and
scientifically biased studies in the court room? Moreover, if history is any
indication of future behavior, then animals, and humans in particular, are not
in any need of encouragement to propagate and we could presumably cross that
bridge when and if we arrive.
As soon as ignorant propaganda and professional sports immorality ends, and the
whole truth in context (check the youtube video, sounds more like
'jealousy' then discrimination) is revealed and understood with
compassion and charity in place of reverse bigotry, racism and hate. I do not understand how an NBA owner who signs the payroll checks of 80% of
the African American/minority team players, African American Head Coach, 3 of 4
African American/minority assistant coaches, numerous African American/minority
trainers and arena employees, I need not go on, is accused of racial
discrimination.Oh, and by the way the video should expose his
minority girlfriend to be the real culprit of reverse discrimination and
dishonesty. Oh, and by the way as I have observed over the course
of my life isn't it mostly the rich, greedy white race that supports the
minority athletes by attending the professional/collegiate sporting events where
affirmative action is nonexistent and purchases and wears the apparel and sports
memorabilia regardless of race, ethnicity, sexual orientation/morality, religion
etc. etc?I thought society had progressed into the 21st century, I
suppose it just goes to show that bogus, divisive retro reruns still pay the
How sad that, even today, we can't quite seem to get beyond the "yeah,
well they do it, too" stage. And last time I looked, the NBA had no
franchises in Merced.
I suppose it was inevitable that a piece on racism would draw SSM supporters,
although I don't know why, but it does raise a question: do the Eyre's
suggest we have to accept SSM to prove we are not bigots, too? If I'm
overheard saying, from my living room, that I don't believe in SSM, should
I be fired from my job, banned from ever going to, say, a museum?
@slcdenizenSorry, I forgot your definitions.(my
definitions since that is what you asked for)Society - A structured
community of people bound together by similar traditions, institutions,
nationality. This has nothing to do with religion, but definitely includes
shared moral values.Stable - Able to flex and adapt to changes
around it without giving up it core common values.Self-Replicating -
In order to last, any society must pass it's values on to the next
generation. This requires 1) a next generation, and 2) a consistent message
about what those values are. Any society which fails in any of these
3 areas simply fails as a society, in the same way that Darwin postulated
natural selection works. A stronger culture conquers or absorbs the weaker
society. By definition, a culture which rejects its own mores has failed as a
society because it has become something different.
@slcdenizenFrom the tone of your comment, I have to assume you would
prefer that anyone not in support of SSM should "move to a secluded area
where everyone behaves according to (their) recommendation", rather than be
willing to have an open and honest discussion on the issue.Yes, the
rule of law is how we govern. But, the issue is not "should the law
rule?", but how to interpret that law. For 200+ years, there has been no
question about what the word "marriage" meant. Whenever a law was
created or enforced during those years it was with that definition in mind.
Now, certain groups are trying to change that definition. That is
really what the issue is. Once we as a nation decide if we want to change the
definition of the word, then the Law can be applied. Until then, rather than
let the people decide what that definition is, certain groups are doing an
end-run around the will of the people and getting the word changed through the
courts.Does that sound like the pluralistic approach to law?
@Kirk R Graves"to create a stable, self-replicating,
society."Define stable. Define self-replicating. Define society.
I'm sure we'll disagree on the very definitions. But since you've
got it all figured out, why not move to a secluded area where everyone behaves
according to your recommendation. But if you stay here, why not join the party!
We have pluralism! And rule of law that prohibits enforcing any one group's
narrow definition of common good over another's. That's
why the SSM movement is gaining traction. Not because we're out to get
religious groups that cling to their liberal bible interpretation, but because
there is inherent value in allowing people in a free society to be free.
Allowing discrimination on the basis of biological features has, historically
speaking, marginalized people and prohibited access to certain benefits of our
society. Let me pose a challenge: apply empathy towards other people as
liberally as you read the Bible. For each verse that is ignored, find a group
that you are unfamiliar with and learn about their struggles or grievances. One
is bound to find broader horizons and a deeper sense of living.
There's alot of racism in the NBA and it's not all coming from whites.
@slcdenizenFirst, your are right, it is not ok to judge people on
their color or their sexual orientation. However there is a world of
difference between a person's skin tone (or sexual orientation) and a
person's behavior. Law has no right to differentiate base on color or
preference, but law regularly differentiates based on behavior. In fact, that
is the very essence of what law is, the discrimination of certain behaviors to
create a stable, self-replicating, society.
The issue isn't racism, but rather the Internet and an insatiable need to
bolster the narrative.Donald Sterling has a history of prejudicial actions
going back decades. Within the sports world those actions were well-known.Our PC world will continue to attack people at the time of their choosing.
Some are given a pass today and will be made to suffer tomorrow.We must
all be careful about what we say and when we say it. Perhaps the Eyres should
tell us how to teach that to our children.Rule #1: Never say, "Some of
my best friends are _________."
"Will racial bigotry and prejudice ever end?". . . No
As long as it can further an agenda, I don't think we will ever see the end
of race.Consider the situation involving George Zimmerman and
Trayvon Martin. There was never any evidence that race had anything to do with
Zimmerman shooting to defend his life. Zimmerman volunteered time tutoring
minority kids and got along with his neighbors of all ethnic backgrounds. Yet
for months the story was presented by the media with a race narrative.
A nice piece extolling the virtues of politically correct thinking. It would
appear the Eyre's long for the day when we all look and think alike. I wore
the uniform, defending the right of American's to say ignorant things in
the privacy of their own homes. Those days are rapidly coming to an end. I hear
the ghost of Orwell yelling "I told you so!"
Each new generation sheds more racist and antiquated beliefs.Just one
generation before me, people were fighting to marry the person they love, even
though a majority of folks made up of ignorant racist wanted to keep folks
segregated, "The way God intended." It would be a few more years before
the LDS church would change their (not) doctrine to allow blacks equal access to
ALL their ordinances. It's hard for a lot of folks to change their
beliefs when what they've been taught most their lives as the
"Truth" isn't really the truth.
This issue is a dog chasing its tail. You call for an end to racism-whatever
that is-and then identify a particular group as "Africa-American."
Isn't that moniker racist? Every time we put some country of supposed
origin in front of the word "American" racism has raised its ugly head.
Society forces us to be racist by perpetuating stereotypes in the media, sports,
and politics. If race is not brought up every so often, some organization
(NAACP, Latin Attorney's Association, the alphabet networks) will make sure
we are reminded how racist we all are. How many times do we hear: "She is
the first black female reporter" or "He is the first
Jewish-American-Mormon-Gay jogger to win a medium-sized half-marathon." The
more we as a people try to change, the more society forces us to remember to
stay the same.
"Will the time come when society matures to a point where we don’t
categorize or label people by the color of their skin? We can only hope
so."By the color of their skin... or sexual orientation. Keep
trying though! Some of us will keep encouraging you through the enlightenment
process, but for now I guess recognizing the frailties of categorizing a person
by the color of their skin will suffice.
I wonder when we'll see a crackdown by the nba on language such as the
n-word(and no, there is no difference between a white person saying it or a
black person, no race owns different words. And giving two sets of rules to
different races is racism)You'd think the African American
community would stop using the racist n-word if they truly wanted to do away