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Published: Tuesday, April 29 2014 10:05 p.m. MDT

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truth in all its forms
henderson, NV

So the only two options are you're heterosexual or you're heterosexual? this questionnaire seems a little biased to me...

Ranch
Here, UT

@Rexburg Reader;

Don't you think that your gay son's problems, instead of being a "struggle", may have been the result of a "struggle" to fit into the norm? Or perhaps due to the way others treated him?

"...a gay person's worst enemies are usually their own lack of self-esteem, and other gay people."

Wow. Our "own worst enemies" are our families who blame us for being gay instead of just accepting that that was the way god made us.

@SlopJ30;

Your response to RR was probably the best one I've ever seen. Thank you for understanding.

@RedWings;

Perhaps those who "do not want to engage..." are adverse due to the expectations of others?

@Redshirt1701;

Again, expectations of others.

@RedWings;

You have a right to your opinion, but not to force others to adhere to it.

@cambodia girl;

I know what you said. Jesus also told you to not judge others; being gay IS being successful if you're gay (and it is perfectly okay to be gay)!

@Brent T.;

Religion is a choice; sexuality is not. Your church may think homosexuality is wrong but it has NO business telling non-members how they must live.

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

@ Tyler D: " as long as your “tolerance” does not include actively working to deny them rights"

I can only speak for myself, but I am not opposed at all to civil "marriage" rights for gay couples. It is disciminatory to deny them visitation rights in hospitals, tax breaks, etc.

Marriage should remain the religious ceremony that it has always been. Government should only be involved in civil unions. That way government treats everyone the same, and religions can marry "according to the dictates of their conscience"...

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

Ranch -

It appears we agree on having the right to our opinions but not to force them on others....

If someone has same-sex attraction and they shoose to act on it, that is their choice. I may disagree, but it is still their choice. Still others choose to follow their religious beliefs and not act on that attraction. Either choice is acceptable, and personal.

I know many men who have overcome SSA and live happy heterosexual lives. I even struggled with it for a time and have overcome. This is simply a part of the reality of SSA and homosexuality that is ignored and hidden by the media. But is it real, and people can change of the choose to. If the do not, that is up to them as well...

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

I suppose saying someone "struggling" with alcohol or other addictions also give a negative connotation then? What would you call it or how would you word the question?

Maybe we can't use the phrase "civil rights struggle" because that would make civil rights negative?

Everyone struggles with something. The issue is, one side believes that acting on homosexual feelings is against Gods commandment. While the other side believes homosexuality is the same and equivalent to a heterosexual. I think the honest people on both sides, do not have the level of "hate" that is often displayed on posts and in their protests. But, actually have a desire to seek better understanding where each side stands on the issue and learn how to live peacefully one with another.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

I'm a pretty good Latter-Day Saint;
and I struggle with --

Getting up in the morning,
Doing my Home Teaching,
Staying awake in Priesthood Meeting,
Not being offened by Tea-Party comments in Gospel Doctrine,
liking one of the new Temple movies,
Utah Drivers,
Not swearing,
Urban sprawl,
people speeding through School Zones,
breathing our polluted air,
and
the lack of recycling in the State.

We all "struggle", but being Gay is not one of them.
Being Gay is who one is.
Struggling to keep being active LDS, keeping friends, or staying in one's family be the only real "struggle".

Ranch
Here, UT

@Liberal Ted;

You make a point. "The issue is, one side believes that acting on homosexual feelings is against Gods commandment. While the other side believes homosexuality is the same and equivalent to a heterosexual. ... But, actually have a desire to seek better understanding where each side stands on the issue and learn how to live peacefully one with another."

Wouldn't we be able to live peacefully with one another if the side that believes god doesn't like something would just simply not do that something themselves instead of trying to require others, who may or may not believe that same thing, to not do that something too?

Simple solution: Don't believe in something, don't do it, but let others live their own lives/beliefs w/o the interference of beliefs not their own?

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

Its true that homosexuality is not a choice, but homosexual actions ARE always a choice.

so struggle is the correct word if one wants do to as God has said and yet has desires to do against what God has said.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

they can try to be PC and change to saying "experience" or they can be truthful and stick with "struggle".

I M LDS 2
Provo, UT

The people "struggling" with same sex attraction, homosexuality and the like are the far right religious folks who "struggle" with trying to poke their noses into other people's lives. And that is the only thing turning this into a "struggle" over civil rights for LGBT citizens.

hairypatches
Hurricane, UT

This survey shows a great interest in the upper chambers of church organization for GLBT issues with the young adults of the church. They really do care what makes up young LDS. The adjustment to the question mentioned above shows the church really is making an effort to be sensitive to the GLBT issues.

Thank you church heirarchy for caring.

Tiago
Seattle, WA

The struggle is not unique to homosexuality so it is inconsistent to call my orientation a struggle while taking yours at face value. All of us who follow the law of chastity might "struggle" to keep our sexuality within bounds. A married Mormon man must control his thoughts and actions in quite the same way that a gay Mormon must, but I think most married men would not like to be characterized as "struggling with heterosexuality." Most of us figure out pretty young how to keep things in control. What I want to make clear is that just like there are many straight guys who can see that girls are pretty and like getting to know them without having dirty thoughts and actions run away from them, there are lots of gay guys who have every bit as much control and don't have any problem keeping their thoughts and actions clean and staying totally worthy in the LDS church. Even if I control my thoughts and actions though, I am still fundamentally persistently only capable of feeling romantic love toward guys. Controlling those thoughts doesn't make me suddenly heterosexual.

Bebyebe
UUU, UT

Why does a church need a survey? Surveys are to gauge public opinion. Do any opinion changes mean they have to adjust their message to retain members due to society's acceptance of homosexuality and marriage?

Forgiveness is the Answer
St George, UT

Oh brother. More comments please? No-one is asking about YOUR business because no-one is tracking who is answering... it is a SURVEY!!! to identify statistics!! Not people.
And, why be offended by the use of the word struggle? Maybe they weren't asking about those who have just given in or yielded to same-sex attraction, but were interested in those who are trying to change? We know that gender, male and female, is a part of God's eternal plan, which doesn't merely include for sake of convenience, but mandates pro-creation. So, why wouldn't the Church want to survey milennials about their orientation and struggles?
Well, the Church re-phrased the question, and I'm sure for the better, and so that is good. But the controversy over it? Humm.

1covey
Salt Lake City, UT

Anyone familiar with LDS theology, viz. 'Plan of Salvation', can see the problem associated with same sex attraction. Looks like Church leaders are trying to establish an understanding of the extent of this situation; perhaps create a dialogue.

CynicJim
Taylorsville, UT

To say "I was born that way", is to negate the victory won for agency in the War in Heaven. If I like chocolate, but am allergic to chocolate and it makes me deathly I'll, I choose not to eat chocolate, regardless of how good it might taste.

Rikitikitavi
Cardston, Alberta

Did you hear the one about the reporter who walked into a bar in Utah and shouted "everyone here who is Mormon raise your hand". O.K. so I just made this one up but my point is that being Mormon certainly does not mean you support the Prophet. (Primary hymn- Follow the Prophet, he knows the way)

SlopJ30
St Louis, MO

Ranch:

"Religion is a choice; sexuality is not."

I would counter that, for someone whose entire life has been centered around a particular faith for their entire lives, religion isn't really much of a choice anymore. Sure, a true-blue LDS could choose to acknowledge that what they've always been taught is a silly fiction and leave the church, but consider the cost. Many would undoubtedly lose respect, friendships, and possibly even marriages. So, yes; technically a choice, but the pressure is enormous to not make that choice.

I know because I just described myself. It's a huge internal struggle for me, but there are no good answers; only degrees of lousy ones. If I had a sympathetic spouse, it would be much easier, but I do not. So, my choice has been to fake my way through church membership and chip away from the inside. Progress is slow but visible.

CynicJim:

If you're equating a taste for chocolate with one's sexual identity, you're not being honest. Avoiding a food that's bad for you is a very minor sacrifice; faking attraction to other humans is a recipe for self-loathing.

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