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Published: Tuesday, April 29 2014 10:05 p.m. MDT

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kiddsport
Fairview, UT

I don't remember where I heard this but I do remember the saying, "It's not harmful because it's forbidden; it's forbidden because it's harmful." We are not all given the same temptations and we are not only given one temptation per customer. Some temptations we outgrow; others take us a lifetime to overcome. Life- it's all a struggle.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@Rexburg Reader – “… a gay person's worst enemies are usually their own lack of self-esteem, and other gay people.”

Without knowing more particulars, you seem to be making a strong argument for gay marriage.

If gay people can enjoy the same rights & opportunities to lead a conventional life as the rest of us, perhaps they won’t be drawn into the seedier side of gay culture as their only perceived avenue to living an authentic life.

All the best to you and your child – hope he/she finds a better life.

SlopJ30
St Louis, MO

Rexburg Reader, your post seems to draw a simple line from "my son is gay" to "my son has all sorts of other problems in his life," as if there can be said to be a direct correlation. Not knowing you, or him or anything beyond two paragraphs, I don't know what to tell you. I do free pretty confident stating that the simple fact that your son is attracted to men and acted on his attraction isn't the reason he's messed up.

I feel for anyone who realizes they're gay at a young age, but is being brought up in a household that is clear that homosexuality is (1) an abomination in God's eyes, (2) a disease that needs curing, and (3) really gross. How do you deal with that as a kid? it's so easy for a religious heterosexual person to say, essentially, "Jesus, Heavenly Father, Plan of Salvation, pray the gay away, blah blah blah," but from the gay kid's perspective. your self-image would be getting pummeled daily. It's very sad, but it's oversimplistic to just blame his orientation.

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

Same-sex attraction is a struggle for those who do not wish to engage in the homosexual lifestyle. Those who want to follow their church's principles and teachings but have SSA do struggle. Do call it something else is untruthful.

It is intersting to see posts that SSA should not be called a "struggle" and people are "who they are". That is your opinion - others have a different one.

I know many who have oversome SSA and live happy heterosexual lifes. Why would you deny them their right to "the pursuit of happiness" while you fight for that same right for those who want to be homosexual?

People should respect the opinions of others, even when they disagree. Unfortunately, this concept is not popular in the LGBT community....

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "Schnee" but it is a struggle. When you know that you desire something that you know will lead you to sin, then that is a struggle.

They struggle with it because the LDS doctrine teaches that acting on homosexual feelings is wrong. Imagine they had asked the men in the LDS church if they struggle with pornography. Is that a struggle? To some yes, but to many no. The same with the questions on same sex attraction. Most will say no, but some may say yes.

OHBU
Columbus, OH

"I don't know about anyone else but gay means to be happy not one man attracted to another, that is homosexual. No meanness intended just want to get the language right. On the other hand striaght means does not mean heterosexual either."

If you don't believe words meanings can change, you're going to have to change an awful lot of your vocabulary. Don't use "rival" unless you stick to the original meaning: another person who shares the same river as you. In fact, you better not use the word you did, "mean" unless you intend "common to two or more people," in which case, "gay" definitely "means" homosexual. Uh oh, it also looks like you need to stop using "happy" unless you strictly "mean" the adjectival form of "having luck or fortune."

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

Tyler D -

I love all people as children of a Loving God. I love my gay firends, but I do not condone or accept their behavior. We find other things to talk about that we agree on. That is true tolerance, not forced "acceptance" through propaganda we see in today's society

Ranch -

You state your opinions as if they are facts. They are not. You have a right to your opinion, but not a special right that those you disagree with do not. My opinion is just as valid as yours....

A Scientist -

Your struggle is "against" the Mormon Church. Sadly, it is one you will lose...

cambodia girl
Phnom Penh, Cambodia

To Ranch,

All I can say to your post that included me is, "Huh???" You apparently struggled with what I had to say.

Jesus also said, "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." (Matthew 11:28-30

Please know that Heavenly Father will never ask us to do something unless he provides a way for us to be successful.

BJMoose
Syracuse, UT

To:Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT
"Homosexuality or gayness is not something that you are. It's something that you do. It is behavior. Behavior is ALWAYS a choice."
The only thing you have correct is your location. And apparently it is known only to you. Your statements have been debunked over and over by science. It is what someone is. It is NEVER a choice. Continuing to expound as you do is only a feeble attempt to perpetuate a myth that has been dis-proven. It's time for you to leave wherever your somewhere is and join the real world.

Mormoncowboy
Provo, Ut

Why conduct a survey if you don't care about the results? Seriously, intentionally inserting leading questions into your survey automatically invalidates survey results. Particularly given the stated purpose of the survey, to collect information about the "attitudes" of millennials. If you want to know someone else's attitude you don't inject your attitudes into the mix. The rewording of the survey only validates what we already know...that the LDS Church's leaders believe that Same Sex Attraction is a psychological abberation against "true" identity. Do you "experience" SSA vs "are you heterosexual". The survey does not allow for the "attitude" that someone might feel they "are" homosexual and not just "experiencing" Same Sex Attraction. It intentionally fails to represent all possible attitudes and therefore is a waste of time in trying "study the attitudes" of others. This is obnoxious.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@RedWings – “That is true tolerance, not forced "acceptance"

Sounds fine to me… as long as your “tolerance” does not include actively working to deny them rights (i.e., trying to legislate your religious condemnation into law).

Brent T. Aurora CO
Aurora, CO

To BJMoose and others -- homosexuality is something you do, choose to do -- and not what you are. Behavior is always a choice. Most everyone is tempted to take things that aren't theirs. It is only upon doing so that one becomes a thief. Same with lying. Same with wanting to hit or enact violence upon another person. So is revenge. Greed, avarice... other things...

Point is, is engaging in homosexual behavior wrong? The church, therefore its faithful members, answers unequivocally YES, always wrong. If that isn't accepted, there is where our disagreement lies. We believe our prophets and apostles and leaders to be speaking the will and word of the Lord.

But that position does not equate to denial that there are people, even many people, even many people in the church itself, that feel the urge (temptation would applicable here) to act upon homosexual feelings that most certainly do exist. And the intensity of those attractions, and the difficulty experienced in not happily realizing those urges, deserves understanding and compassion. But NEVER endorsement; that won't happen nor should ever be expected from the Savior's Church.

BJMoose
Syracuse, UT

To Brent T of Aurora Co.
You Stated:
"To BJMoose and others -- homosexuality is something you do, choose to do -- and not what you are. Behavior is always a choice."
First of all I have been married to my loving wife for 35 years. I am male. She is female. I have no close relatives or friends who are gay or lesbian. Having stated that I disagree with your statement. Homosexuality is not something one does, it is not a choice and is what one is. Homosexuals are what they are at birth. That has been proven scientifically beyond a doubt. Weather one chooses to act on their tendencies or not is what is a choice. So yes, behavior is a choice. To choose to have sex with someone either in a heterosexual or homosexual scenario is a choice. One can either say yes or no. But the determining factor on which one (hetero or homo) is desirable to any individual is inborn.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

@Bill McGee said that the Church acknowledges that SSA is biology based. I don't think this is true.

The "Mormons and Gays" website has this statement: "Even though individuals do not choose to have such attractions, they do choose how to respond to them."

This does not say that SSA is biology based. It says that it somehow develops independent of conscious choice. There are a lot of aspects to human psychology that aren't biological.

Wilf 55
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Rexburg Reader, I'm sorry to read about the problems your son experienced. I cannot judge the reasons why things went that way.

But, comparing it to many other cases, it seems that one of the contributing reasons is the whole stigma that our culture & religion has been attaching to homosexuality. As long as our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters are not recognized for the normal, natural person they are, they will feel marginalized and discriminated against. That's why recognition of same-sex marriage is such an important issue to succeed.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Every predisposition is biology based, or however someone wants to describe it. I get the distinct impression by some of the commenters here of a hope that Homosexuality will some day be validated not just by society, but also by God. not so! The church's stance has never changed. acting on your weaknesses, whether adultery or homosexuality, is wrong. Anything less is a deceitful lie!

RFLASH
Salt Lake City, UT

I think I must have been around five years old when I knew that I was different. I am 48 now. I was born gay and I will die gay! I think that one of the greatest gifts that I have received from being gay is the realization that God never intended me to be the judge of another person's life! God never told me that I had to put a worth on a person! I was sitting across from a transgendered person. Lets just say that things didn't go well for him and very few people wanted to be near him. AS I sat there I thought about what I have always believed. There was a soul inside that body! Maybe the outside was not in good shape but there was somebody like me inside! Who am I to say how much that soul is worth and why would I want to judge?
I grew up Mormon. I remember them teaching me that we came to Earth and that we should love each other. I can remember thinking wow, I can love anyone! God made us different to help us learn how to truly love others!

Dread Pirate Roberts
Cleveland , OH

This survey was clearly constructed to give a very specific result: Everyone In the Single Adult Program is Heterosexual.

See? They all said so, right here. They all checked they are "Heterosexual." Sure, some might "struggle with same sex-attraction," but they are all heterosexual. They said so themselves. Checked one of those two "hetero" boxes.

Yep. All straight here.

And the debate is over. Ya'll go home now. All the Single Adults are straight.

G'night.

Wonder
Provo, UT

Use of the word "struggle" is neither here not there to me. The dumb thing was to say "I'm heterosexual" AND "I struggle with same sex attraction." By definition you're not heterosexual if you struggle with same sex attraction.

bj-hp
Maryville, MO

To those who say it is not a choice: "And now remember, remember, my brethren, that whosoever perisheth, perisheth unto himself; and whosoever doeth iniquity, doeth it unto himself; for behold, ye are free; ye are permitted to act for yourselves; for behold, God hath given unto you a knowledge and he hath made you free." We make our own choices on everything. Mankind doesn't do anything strictly on instinct. We are "to act for ourselves and not to be acted upon".

The other problem is that in the pre-existence before coming to this earth we elected some of the weaknesses and tribulations we were going to go through. We knew before coming here some of what we were going to be faced with and other things so we choose a lot before we got here. Many of those who have same-sex attraction knew of this before they came here and promised they would get through it and stay true. Unfortunately, we don't remember many of these promises.

So everything we choose from the beginning before we came here, and we choose and allowed it to happen. It is a CHOICE.

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