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Published: Monday, April 28 2014 8:20 p.m. MDT

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Orem Parent
Orem, UT

Looks great! Can't wait to see it all happen. No one should have any complaints about these well thought out plans but I'm sure they will.

The missionary force rolls on!

utahprincipal801
Sandy, UT

Glad to see they listened the the local neighborhood folks, and planned accordingly.

G-Day-M8
WVC, UT

At red herring,

Why post?

Sports Are Great
Salt Lake City, UT

corvette, Your obsession with all things LDS makes me happy! I love hearing about church news and I love knowing somehow it will bother you!

IQ92
hi, UT

The body of the article uses the phrases: plans "announced" and "released". Whereas the headline states plans "revealed". That ought to settle it, I guess.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Traffic. Parking. Noise. Proximity to children, real or imaginary. Schools. Just Schools. I don't know if any of these apply, but every time any business of any kind wants to expand, these tired standbys are trotted out. In the end, it doesn't matter. As long as we recognise that this is the next wind farm/cel tower/shopping mall/porn store/power line/fracking anything/coal fired power plant or whatever and therefore must be rejected, I'm ok with that. After all, a perceived threat is a perceived threat.Reject it. Think of the children for once.

Alpiner
Alpine, UT

Maybe the city of Provo will fix the road that goes to the MTC. It is terrible between the baseball and football stadiums!

Let it Go!
Omaha, NE

HOORAY! Let the stone cut out of the mountain without hands go. Just let it go!

suzyk#1
Mount Pleasant, UT

Well, I for one think it is wonderful.There is always chaos with redoing and renewing but it will be well worth it in the end. The Church always makes sound decisions and they are always for the better. They do everything they can do to make these changes as tolerable as possible. Change takes time and patience. Hopefully everyone involved will be appreciative for all the thought and work that is going into this effort.

BYUsuperfan
PROVO, UT

Just a little more information. Just because there is opposition on a project the Mormon church announces, does not mean you are anti-Mormon. The neighbors were right to oppose the first building that was 160ft high and just yards from their neighborhood. To their credit the church was right when they decided to eventually pull back get more input and redesign the project. In the end Provo came out better and the neighborhood is much better off. In a strange way the church is also better off. Over the last two years the needs of the church changed. The original estimates were the MTC would need to house a peak of 7800 missionaries and stabilize at around 6000-6500. With the actually data of how many missionaries were coming and management adjustments the church downsized the original plan and will only need to accommodate 4500 missionaries. So if some neighbors had not complained we would have a nearly finished, 160ft mammoth building that would of been a disservice to the neighborhood, Provo and probably not as nearly efficient building for the church or MTC, considering their new reduced needs. So lets all celebrate, democracy worked and we are all better off for it.

The Caravan Moves On
Enid, OK

Article quote: "A massive surge in the 18 months since the church lowered the age requirement has boosted the number of missionaries from 58,000 to 85,039."

AWESOME!

@ Hutterite: Your comment makes absolutely zero sense. None. I'm sure, based on the hundreds of anti-LDS comments you've made on the DesNews boards before, that this one, too, is anti-LDS, but is impossible to decipher.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

Article quote: "A massive surge in the 18 months since the church lowered the age requirement has boosted the number of missionaries from 58,000 to 85,039."

And yet overall Church growth has dropped below 2% for the first time in a quarter of a century! and last year's convert baptisms increased by only 4% (compared to an investment in increasing missionaries by 40%). And retention rates are the lowest they have ever been.

At this early stage, it does not look like a good investment by the Church.

Pack
Layton, Utah

Scientist, what does it matter that a few dogs nip at the heels of the caravan, the caravan rolls on. It will continue to roll on with or without us.

Strider303
Salt Lake City, UT

I wish to comment on the original plan for a high rise, as if 160 feet is a "high" rise. It is my understanding that no one has a right to a view, and as I recall reading in the DesNews, and Daily Herald loss of the precious view was a sore point. High rise buildings are an efficient use of space. All the tree huggers want everyone to be urbanized, living close to work and amenities so vehicle travel is minimized. All that would have been accomplished in the original plan.

The new plan will raze still useful buildings, reduce married living quarters, add to landfill (razed buildings) and over all occupy more of what was once green area. All for a view.

Oh, let's not forget the increased costs involved that diverted funds from other projects. I am of the opinion that the Church tries to be a good neighbor, too bad some of their neighbors don't always reciprocate in kind.

Maibraina
WEST JORDAN, UT

@ A Scientist: You said, "And yet overall Church growth has dropped below 2% for the first time in a quarter of a century! and last year's convert baptisms increased by only 4% (compared to an investment in increasing missionaries by 40%). And retention rates are the lowest they have ever been. At this early stage, it does not look like a good investment by the Church."

The church doesn't measure return on investment in dollars, but in the souls of men. And the reasons you listed are precisely why the church has increased the number of missionaries and is expanding the MTC. If the world is "whole", it needs no physician, and a "physician" costs more money; more missionaries; more resources of all kinds. It's not about the money.

oddman
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While the increase in the missionary force hasn't increased the number of convert baptisms by the same degree, the number of those who hadn't been attending has increased dramatically, all due to the missionaries spending time teaching those who have drifted. Saving souls and strengthening the church within as well as without is noble and following the admonition of the Savior to find the lost sheep.

Dadof5sons
Montesano, WA

Why not just make regional MTC's through out the United States? one west of the rockies one east of the Mississippi and keep the one in Utah. and send those who are going to missions in that region to that regional MTC. I am glad that the Church is expanding the MTC hope the Missionary numbers expand even more.

BYUsuperfan
PROVO, UT

Strider303 With all due respect you know very little about this project. The original building also required the tearing down of several useful buildings. The laundry they are tearing down is very old and was going to be replaced in the near future. As far as Y mount it's days are numbered. some building have been tore down already for BYU medical facility a few years ago. Also BYU in the last few years has torn down almost all of their on campus housing and is replacing it with new housing. The view wasn't as important as loss of property value in it was documented that some people in the neighborhood property value had been reduced by half as much as a $100,000. I would also ask you step out in your back yard and imagine a 160 building right across your fence and the loss of privacy of people being able to look into your windows. The problem is not the expansion but how they proposed to do it. There was a better way in the end that achieved almost everyones goals so why not do it that way if you can. It's called being a good neighbor.

BYU Track Star
Los Angeles, CA

In my last two years at the BYU in the late 1970s, I lived in the "Woolsey" house, a five bedroon brick home between the MTC and the BYU laundry. The Woolsey house and its marvelous peach trees were swallowed up by the MTC parking lot sometime in the 80s. I am not really surprised the MTC is taking over the Laundry site too. I have fond memories of the place - Where the On-Campus Girlfriends would drop off cookies for their Missionaries-in-training (Mit) next door. Ocasionally, We'd see a Mit, kissing on his Girlfriend in our driveway while his Missionary Companion concurrently looked digusted but acted as a lookout. I'm sure that couple, if they are still together, have a fond memory of their rendre-vous spot also. Prehaps their sons and daughters have gone through the MTC also. Ah, such family memorizes !!

kiaoraguy
Provo, UT

Lot's of nattering nabobs of negativity on this thread....most from non-Provoites. For all the neighbors that weren't happy with the proposed tower, there were far more that were OK with it. As for regional MTC's , the value of being next to the BYU campus and all it's resources, including second language speaking RMs is beyond measure.While those who critique the proposals have a right to do so, if you are so sure of your opinions and feel that you are right, perhaps you need to share your feelings with the head of the Church...and I'm pretty sure the head doesn't have an office at 50 E. South Temple. So for those of us who will actually be impacted by any changes to the MTC, may I say how blessed we are to have the MTC and all it's participants in our happy city.

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