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Published: Tuesday, April 29 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

President Obama should handle this situation the same way that President Washington handled the Whiskey Rebellion, the two situations are remarkably similar.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

What I think is interesting is there were posters who claimed Bundy was on the side of right because he was a member of the church. He had to be a good guy by their logic. On the other hand, there are those who say Bundy has to be a bad guy because he has racist attitudes. By their logic his behavior is just an extension of his twisted soul.

The interesting things is neither are right. Bundy's membership doesn't make him a good guy, neither do his attitudes make him a bad guy. I have relatives and inlays that I know were good people, that shared his thinking about race. I think they were and are wrong in those attitudes, but that attitude does not comprise the totality of those people. In fact, some were more generous to blacks than many liberals I know.

The issues are not linked. I do think Bundy's attitudes on slavery are wrong. I believe he is also wrong about the land he is using for free. But I know those who share his attitudes, that are still basically good people… and just perhaps he is a good guy too……

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Had this been a bunch of hippies living in tents on this land, the right would have advocated removing them with a small nuke.

Even those who concede that Bundy was in the wrong, do so begrudgingly and with caveats.

Why? Because it involves people with guns and the evil government overreach (Reagan executive order 12548)

Bundy has been wrong since day one. His racist rant did not change the facts.

Taking up arms against laws we dont like is wrong.

It should not have taken racist remarks for patriotic Americans to distance themselves from him.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Isn't it just a little foolish for the U.S. government to nag Bundy for 1 mil. in "land rent" (and spend 3 mil. trying to collect it), while at the same time we have 20 million illegal alien trespassers that cost us 100 billion per yr. in our lost wages and government services?

USA
Salt Lake City, UT

Well said, Kathleen Parker.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Just put a lien on Bundy's property, the government gets its money and the problem is solved! No need for 200 armed sharp shooters, attack dogs and tasers threatening innocent people, killing cattle and acting like the Gestapo which cost the taxpayers over a million dollars. WAY too much force for such an easy law enforcement problem! Imagine the hissy fit the left would be having if the feds send the same show of force to collect taxes from Timothy Franz Geithner, who didn't pay his taxes either! And Geithner is Secretary of the Treasury!

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"The GOP does not deserve to be indicted along with Bundy,..."

Yes it clearly does.

airnaut
Everett, 00

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT
President Obama should handle this situation the same way that President Washington handled the Whiskey Rebellion, the two situations are remarkably similar.

2:06 a.m. April 29, 2014

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Agreed, very similar.

Except this time --
arrest him, try him, and send him to jail.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

Cliven Bundy's biggest sin is he opened his mouth.

Of course not all Republicans are racist, but if there's anything that defines a conservative, it's a longing to return to a better, simpler time, where the roles of the genders were well understood and adhered to, where right was right, and wrong was wrong, etc.

For many conservatives - many more than they'd like you to know, or to believe themselves - that sentimental "Ponderosa" involves ideas on race most of America now finds completely repugnant.

To many African Americans, Bundy was refreshing because he was brutally honest in speaking his mind. "At least he's honest." They know we've made good progress on race, but they also sense that since racism has become taboo, it's not gone, it's just been driven underground.

For African Americans it's often difficult to tell if the person behind the smile truly accepts them as equal, or is a poker face hiding a wish to return to the past. This is a burden white Americans have no way to understand.

airnaut
Everett, 00

@Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT
Isn't it just a little foolish for the U.S. government to nag Bundy for 1 mil. in "land rent" (and spend 3 mil. trying to collect it),

6:21 a.m. April 29, 2014

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No more foolish than spending $100 billion a year for law enforcement sending kids to jail for selling $6.2 billion worth of pot.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Just put a lien on his property! Problem solved! No need for the Gestapo to roll in.

Ajax
Mapleton, UT

I've long wondered why so many locally are drawn to the mendacity of extreme right politics, especially when all too often the results are so regrettable as in the cases of Cliven Bundy, Russell Pearce and Mike Lee.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

Thid Barker: "Just put a lien on his property! Problem solved! No need for the Gestapo to roll in."

You've suggested this before. A lien is only collected when the property is sold, which could be decades from now. Do the unpaid fees and penalties accrue interest in the interim? What if the property is in the name of a corporation or trust and not Bundy himself? It seems like a creative property law attorney could find many ways to circumvent a lien. Would you suggest this approach for anyone who owes the government money, or only those who throw a fit?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Must every real person be turned into a TV character before people can either connect or reject them?

This constant attempt to turn people into their version of them on TV... is ridiculous...

Just deal with him for who he IS... not the TV character he reminds you of!

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Did anything happen like this to Tim Geithner when he didn't pay his taxes? Oh he eventually paid them,(as will Bundy), but it was no big deal, was it libs? It was just a "misunderstanding". He even became Secretary of the Treasury! Is America a great country or what?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@JoeBlow,

A reality-check for your usual overthetop rhetoric...

Re: "Had this been a bunch of hippies living in tents on this land, the right would have advocated removing them with a small nuke".

Proof your assumption NOT true...
Did anybody propose nuking or anything like that when hippies occupied places in EVERY STATE... and defied and even invited clashes with law enforcement... and NOBODY proposed nuking...

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Re: "Even those who concede that Bundy was in the wrong, do so begrudgingly and with caveats"...

I have no problem denouncing his racist comments. But does that automatically mean his CAUSE was wrong?? This cause isn't based on his personality or his foibles!

I mean it's not about HIM... it's about government overreach...

He's just the guy the government was going after (and some people wanted to make a statement out of supporting the American rancher... instead of the government).

That doesn't necessarily mean they approve of EVERYTHING he ever said or does...

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His remarks do not mean everybody must abandon the cause he came to represent... They are separate things. That you can't separate them... is very telling about the tactics you like to use...

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

@2Bits
But why does he deserve to use this land(owned by the federal government) for free? I have family who are ranchers, they pay a good chunk of change to rent grazing land from a private owner, should they get to use the land for free because they have been using it for the last 50 years, and are more familiar with the property than even the owner? What about all the other ranchers who do pay grazing fees to the federal government. Why does Mr Bundy think he's so special? Why does he think he doesn't have to live by the same rules that the rest of his industry follows? The real question is, what is the government overreach in trying to collect fees that any other rancher would be required to pay? Pretty sure that's the governments job.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Pundits . . . quickly distanced themselves from the Bundy comments, though not, curiously, from his objections to the government's authority over grazing lands."

It's not at all curious. Conservatives are principle-driven. Unlike liberals, who are always looking for charismatic messiahs, who typically need their adherents to protect them from close scrutiny.

What is curious is why, to liberals, the Cliven Bundy's racism somehow diminishes his status as a victim of Big Government overreach, but an Occupy Wall Street activist's anarchic past does not.

At least conservatives stand only with that portion of the complex Cliven Bundy issue that's consistent with American values.

Liberal activists, on the other hand, have a curious need to embrace the entire personna of their "big-tent" invitees. They accept, not just the support of people, but noxious concepts like abortion, immigration and border lawlessness, monetary and financial profligacy, anarchic Occupy-Wall-Street riots, criminality, the improbable new-age tree-hugger and atheist religions, and terrorism's collective-guilt logic, because their political desperation drives them to invite those people who embrace such concepts into their "big tent."

There's the real curiosity.

airnaut
Everett, 00

Thid Barker
Victor, ID
Just put a lien on his property! Problem solved! No need for the Gestapo to roll in.

8:12 a.m. April 29, 2014

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Um.
Because he does OWN the property.
He is using Public lands,
which he can use with the proper permits,

and

I for once actully want the "Gestapo" as you call them to stop him.

Shaun
Sandy, UT

@mountainman. Your argument is like a child who argues that he should be able to do something wrong just because so and so did something wrong.

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