Published: Tuesday, April 29 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT
President Obama should handle this situation the same way that President
Washington handled the Whiskey Rebellion, the two situations are remarkably
What I think is interesting is there were posters who claimed Bundy was on the
side of right because he was a member of the church. He had to be a good guy by
their logic. On the other hand, there are those who say Bundy has to be a bad
guy because he has racist attitudes. By their logic his behavior is just an
extension of his twisted soul.The interesting things is neither are
right. Bundy's membership doesn't make him a good guy, neither do
his attitudes make him a bad guy. I have relatives and inlays that I know were
good people, that shared his thinking about race. I think they were and are
wrong in those attitudes, but that attitude does not comprise the totality of
those people. In fact, some were more generous to blacks than many liberals I
know. The issues are not linked. I do think Bundy's
attitudes on slavery are wrong. I believe he is also wrong about the land he is
using for free. But I know those who share his attitudes, that are still
basically good people… and just perhaps he is a good guy too……
Had this been a bunch of hippies living in tents on this land, the right would
have advocated removing them with a small nuke.Even those who
concede that Bundy was in the wrong, do so begrudgingly and with caveats.Why? Because it involves people with guns and the evil government
overreach (Reagan executive order 12548)Bundy has been wrong since
day one. His racist rant did not change the facts. Taking up arms
against laws we dont like is wrong. It should not have taken racist
remarks for patriotic Americans to distance themselves from him.
Isn't it just a little foolish for the U.S. government to nag Bundy for 1
mil. in "land rent" (and spend 3 mil. trying to collect it), while at
the same time we have 20 million illegal alien trespassers that cost us 100
billion per yr. in our lost wages and government services?
Well said, Kathleen Parker.
Just put a lien on Bundy's property, the government gets its money and the
problem is solved! No need for 200 armed sharp shooters, attack dogs and tasers
threatening innocent people, killing cattle and acting like the Gestapo which
cost the taxpayers over a million dollars. WAY too much force for such an easy
law enforcement problem! Imagine the hissy fit the left would be having if the
feds send the same show of force to collect taxes from Timothy Franz Geithner,
who didn't pay his taxes either! And Geithner is Secretary of the Treasury!
"The GOP does not deserve to be indicted along with Bundy,..."Yes it clearly does.
Roland KayserCottonwood Heights, UTPresident Obama should handle
this situation the same way that President Washington handled the Whiskey
Rebellion, the two situations are remarkably similar.2:06 a.m. April
29, 2014========= Agreed, very similar.Except this time -- arrest him, try him, and send him to jail.
Cliven Bundy's biggest sin is he opened his mouth.Of course not
all Republicans are racist, but if there's anything that defines a
conservative, it's a longing to return to a better, simpler time, where the
roles of the genders were well understood and adhered to, where right was right,
and wrong was wrong, etc.For many conservatives - many more than
they'd like you to know, or to believe themselves - that sentimental
"Ponderosa" involves ideas on race most of America now finds completely
repugnant.To many African Americans, Bundy was refreshing because he
was brutally honest in speaking his mind. "At least he's honest."
They know we've made good progress on race, but they also sense that since
racism has become taboo, it's not gone, it's just been driven
underground. For African Americans it's often difficult to
tell if the person behind the smile truly accepts them as equal, or is a poker
face hiding a wish to return to the past. This is a burden white Americans have
no way to understand.
@Fitness FreakSalt Lake City, UTIsn't it just a little foolish
for the U.S. government to nag Bundy for 1 mil. in "land rent" (and
spend 3 mil. trying to collect it), 6:21 a.m. April 29, 2014====== No more foolish than spending $100 billion a year for
law enforcement sending kids to jail for selling $6.2 billion worth of pot.
Just put a lien on his property! Problem solved! No need for the Gestapo to roll
I've long wondered why so many locally are drawn to the mendacity of
extreme right politics, especially when all too often the results are so
regrettable as in the cases of Cliven Bundy, Russell Pearce and Mike Lee.
Thid Barker: "Just put a lien on his property! Problem solved! No need for
the Gestapo to roll in."You've suggested this before. A
lien is only collected when the property is sold, which could be decades from
now. Do the unpaid fees and penalties accrue interest in the interim? What if
the property is in the name of a corporation or trust and not Bundy himself? It
seems like a creative property law attorney could find many ways to circumvent a
lien. Would you suggest this approach for anyone who owes the government money,
or only those who throw a fit?
Must every real person be turned into a TV character before people can either
connect or reject them?This constant attempt to turn people into
their version of them on TV... is ridiculous...Just deal with him
for who he IS... not the TV character he reminds you of!
Did anything happen like this to Tim Geithner when he didn't pay his taxes?
Oh he eventually paid them,(as will Bundy), but it was no big deal, was it libs?
It was just a "misunderstanding". He even became Secretary of the
Treasury! Is America a great country or what?
@JoeBlow,A reality-check for your usual overthetop rhetoric...Re: "Had this been a bunch of hippies living in tents on this land,
the right would have advocated removing them with a small nuke".Proof your assumption NOT true... Did anybody propose nuking or anything
like that when hippies occupied places in EVERY STATE... and defied and even
invited clashes with law enforcement... and NOBODY proposed nuking...===Re: "Even those who concede that Bundy was in the wrong, do
so begrudgingly and with caveats"...I have no problem denouncing
his racist comments. But does that automatically mean his CAUSE was wrong??
This cause isn't based on his personality or his foibles!I mean
it's not about HIM... it's about government overreach...He's just the guy the government was going after (and some people wanted
to make a statement out of supporting the American rancher... instead of the
government).That doesn't necessarily mean they approve of
EVERYTHING he ever said or does...====His remarks do not
mean everybody must abandon the cause he came to represent... They are separate
things. That you can't separate them... is very telling about the tactics
you like to use...
@2BitsBut why does he deserve to use this land(owned by the federal
government) for free? I have family who are ranchers, they pay a good chunk of
change to rent grazing land from a private owner, should they get to use the
land for free because they have been using it for the last 50 years, and are
more familiar with the property than even the owner? What about all the other
ranchers who do pay grazing fees to the federal government. Why does Mr Bundy
think he's so special? Why does he think he doesn't have to live by
the same rules that the rest of his industry follows? The real question is, what
is the government overreach in trying to collect fees that any other rancher
would be required to pay? Pretty sure that's the governments job.
Re: "Pundits . . . quickly distanced themselves from the Bundy comments,
though not, curiously, from his objections to the government's authority
over grazing lands."It's not at all curious. Conservatives
are principle-driven. Unlike liberals, who are always looking for charismatic
messiahs, who typically need their adherents to protect them from close
scrutiny.What is curious is why, to liberals, the Cliven
Bundy's racism somehow diminishes his status as a victim of Big Government
overreach, but an Occupy Wall Street activist's anarchic past does not.At least conservatives stand only with that portion of the complex
Cliven Bundy issue that's consistent with American values.Liberal activists, on the other hand, have a curious need to embrace the
entire personna of their "big-tent" invitees. They accept, not just the
support of people, but noxious concepts like abortion, immigration and border
lawlessness, monetary and financial profligacy, anarchic Occupy-Wall-Street
riots, criminality, the improbable new-age tree-hugger and atheist religions,
and terrorism's collective-guilt logic, because their political desperation
drives them to invite those people who embrace such concepts into their "big
tent."There's the real curiosity.
Thid BarkerVictor, IDJust put a lien on his property! Problem
solved! No need for the Gestapo to roll in.8:12 a.m. April 29,
2014======== Um. Because he does OWN the
property.He is using Public lands, which he can use with the proper
permits, and I for once actully want the
"Gestapo" as you call them to stop him.
@mountainman. Your argument is like a child who argues that he should be able to
do something wrong just because so and so did something wrong.
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