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Published: Monday, April 28 2014 11:30 p.m. MDT

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Mainly Me
Werribee, 00

These religious "progressives," i.e., socialists/communists were predicted in Cleon Skousen's book, "The Naked Communist." There were 45 goals of the communist party. Here is #27:

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

Looks like the communists are reaching their goals.

slcdenizen
t-ville, UT

"Paul Begala called the term 'religious progressives' an oxymoron like 'Jumbo Shrimp,' but it turns out that jumbo shrimp do exist."

Begala's right, religion needs to stay rooted in the scheme of making money the way Jesus intended. Televangelists, tithing-centric churches, and business hybrids are more representative of "love thy neighbor" than these progressive groups that care for the poor and downtrodden. It's funny how religion seems not to temper fierce political views, but to enhance them with two parts certainty and one part self-righteousness.

TMR
Los Angeles, CA

If nothing else, this progressive religious movement will dispel the notion that religion and its place in society exclusively belongs to the conservatives. Religion has a broad intellectual and spiritual sweep and should be as comfortable of a fit for progressives as it is for conservatives.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Religion doesn't just bridge the divide. It helps create it.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@slcdenizen – “It's funny how religion seems not to temper fierce political views, but to enhance them with two parts certainty and one part self-righteousness.”

One of the most accurate and insightful comments I’ve ever seen and gets right to the heart of what is most troubling about religion: it indoctrinates irrationality while simultaneously short circuiting doubt – a combination perfectly designed to create people who fly planes into buildings and are 100% certain they are doing “God’s will.”

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

Corporate business organized church religion is social poison regardless of how it is diluted.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Tyler D,

My understanding is that the 911 terrorists were not living their religion despite their willingness to sacrifice themselves.

For many converts to the church (and that includes many who grew up in it) their current conversion was preceded by a long period of questioning and doubts. Certainly was for me and many I know. Those I know in bishoprics and stake presidencies do a lot of questioning and analysis.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

what in the world is a "religious progressive"? Is that the same as a religious atheist? This seems to be an attempt by the left to redefine what Christianty is .... of course ripping out 90% of the New Testaement and replacing it with their atheist Marxist doctrine. It reminds me of something mentioned within my own church when speaking about the natual man - "the doctrines of men mingled with scripture". Democrats 'use' Christianity for poltical needs but they certainly don't practice it. How can you pass laws to murder children and promote homosexual sex and adopt the athiest philosophies of Socialism and then turn around and call yourself a follower of Jesus Christ? This is absurd but it doesn't surprise me. One thing is clear - the divide between the left and the right in this country is as wide and deep and the Grand Canyon and ...growing by the day. There certainly is a clear choice when voting between the two.

TMR
Los Angeles, CA

Patriot, you have made the best case so far as to why religious progressives have an important role to play. Wow.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

If people think the T-Party and mainstream Republican Party are at odds......
I don't see how any religious (especially Christian) element of the Democrat Party will be able to bridge the huge gaps being created in todays modern progressive society. Sooner or later the Democrat Christians will have to give up their principles and let the Democrats have it all their way with regards to many issues that Christianity cannot ignore. Or, if they stand some ground, welcome to the party divide. Today it seems that the progressive secular left is getting even more contemptous of religious God believing people. Instead of just ingnoring them, there is an open hostility to them. That could never make for a comfortable Democrat Convention.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

“Brookings Institution — a left-leaning Washington think tank?”

WRONG. It may be Left leaning from the perspective of Rush Limbaugh, Hitler, Clive and Ted Bundy, and the Deseret News, but not from any objective perspective.

Is Kellner looking for job at FOX “NEWS” or something?

"Religious progressivism will never constitute the same homogeneity of the religious right," . . . Well yeah.

Progressivism is not about “homogeneity.” It’s about progress in the nation’s mission to provide for and “promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity” . . . As stipulated in the Constitution.

More “homogeneity” is found among Christian Conservatives. Although Christian Evangelicals may consider the LDS to be a dangerous cult, Christian Conservatives are united in their prejudices. . . Including their ridiculous idea that Roe Vs Wade should be overturned, and that the Obama administration is innately evil.

Conservative Christian homogeneity, in other words, centers on prejudices and not practical solutions to problems. THAT is the main differentiator between Christian Progressivism and Christian Conservatism.

Religious “Conservatives” in America have more in common with the Taliban than they do with the Founders.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Hey "Conservatives" -

Don't forget, Jesus was, is, and always will be a Liberal.

Get used to it.

As a matter of fact, there is not such thing as a truly Christian "Conservative."

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@Twin Lights – “Those I know in bishoprics and stake presidencies do a lot of questioning and analysis.”

I sure hope so and perhaps because we live in historically peaceful times whatever tension exists between religion and rationality & our innate moral values is rarely tested.

But I think it’s disingenuous to assert the tension does not exist.

For Muslims, I don’t think they have to work too hard to find support in their sacred books for a worldview adhered to by the Taliban or even Al Qaeda… thankfully most don’t.

And medieval Christians, who were quite familiar with the Sermon on the Mount, were nevertheless able to reconcile their beliefs in such a way as to allow them to burn heretics for 500 years.

How is that even possible if intolerance and religious paranoia is not found in other places in the same sacred book (e.g., the first two commandments are hardly calls for tolerance and religious freedom)?

Thankfully, we in the West have been “moderated” by a renaissance and later a founding of a country built on the (often very non-Biblical) values we hold dear.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Mainly Me
Werribee, 00
These religious "progressives," i.e., socialists/communists were predicted in Cleon Skousen's book, "The Naked Communist." There were 45 goals of the communist party. Here is #27:

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

Looks like the communists are reaching their goals.

1:50 a.m. April 29, 2014

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Wow!

Another Skousen reader who takes the time to read the companion to that book entitled "The Naked Capitalist".

Guess what -- Communists are the boogie man under the stairs that destroy America -- Capitlaists are.
By Glenn Beck can not cash in onTHAT book with his listeners.

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GaryO

Agreed.

Jesus - Liberal
Joseph Smith - Mormons 1847, Liberals.

I'm Liberal because I'm a Mormon, not inspite of it.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

re:TMR

What 'role' are you talking about exactly? My point was the absurdity of how progressives see everything through political lenses and if there is a way to score political points by somehow tapping into the Christian label then they are all for trying it (see Barack Obama). I sighted facts concerning the Democrat party which is composed of progressive - socialists largely. Which facts do you dispute? Late term abortion? Homosexuality? Socialism and atheism? As I recall your party BOOED God at their last DNC in 2012. Remember? My point is IF you want to make the claim you are Christian then you ought to at least practice what you preach. Ya think? To make the absurd claim that you follow Jesus Christ and then turn around and vote for late term abortion is as ugly and hipocritical as it gets. Either follow Jesus or don't but please don't claim to be some sort of Christian when your party platform attacks everything Christians stand for. Absurd is the only word that comes to mind.

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

It is almost comical how some people throw around the terms of Socialism, Communisim, Atheism, vs Christanity without having A understanding or correct definition of their terms or their antonyms, but never the less their believes are solid as concrete: all mixed up and set in its ways not much subject to change.

TMR
Los Angeles, CA

Dear Patriot, my recommendation is set aside the political lens for a while and just focus on being a Christian. Charity will help you see and appreciate the nuances. There are lots of good people in both parties. Best to you.

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