Curious on why people keeping bringing up old stats when comparing Bronco VS Kyleor Top 25 finishes etc.Lets
compare apples to apples.Put both school in the same conference vs
the same teams. Do we really think BYU could do any better than Utah if they
played in the Pac 12. Remember it's different week in and week out to play
these teams and not once a year.
On a serious note. I think there are pros and cons to both situation. As for
being a fan of both programs I like knowing I can watch my team "BYU" on
ESPN week in and week out. The caliber of teams we play does make it a bit less
exciting but my best friend plays for BYU so I will always support them each
week to watch him play. I think BYU will continue to grow on the map and find a
way into the big conference.I do also love the Utes as a life long
season ticket holder. It is frustrating to miss bowl games but I do like to be
positive and try to see the bright side that maybe we will come around and start
battling for the championship one day. Doubtful but potentially could happen.
I just hate all this negative talk on each school. Lets be honest
with ourselves and realize, neither school is going in the direction to be cocky
about. Both schools are sub par at best. Enough said.ONE
LOVE PEOPLEGood vibes, and enjoy the game of Football "TOGETHER".
UteologyUtah has absolutely no chance of going to any of those bowls
or the playoffs anyway, so what difference does it matter what bowl tie-ins USC
and Oregon have?
UteanymousSalt Lake City, UtahUteology"Utah
and TCU are doormats in tougher leagues, BYU would be worse."Nothing but a bunch of jealous hot air; you have absolutely no proof that BYU
would be worse than Utah.------------I have plenty of
proof, look at your player talent, class rankings and NFL draft picks put you
closer to Colorado. Look at your coaching talent, not in demand.Uteanymous: "Versus PAC 12 Teams Bronco 9-9 (50%) Kyle 13-21
(38%)"Bronco also has a higher winning parentage vs Big 12 teams
over TCU's Gary Patterson. You're the only one that thinks that BYU
can compete in the Big 12 and PAC-12 yet can't compete against TCU or Utah.
@WiscougarfanYeah, that makes a lot of sense since 1) an AAC team
played in and won a BCS bowl last season, and 2) there is no longer such thing
as "BCS". Whatever helps you sleep at night...-------------Playing BYU's schedule, it would bore me to
sleep. Fortunately we play a real schedule.That AAC team that won
was UCF, which beat a ranked team and won 8 straight to make the top 15. Thus a
BCS bowl invite. Cincinnati 2014 won't play ANY ranked teams and will
either lose to UCon or Houston down the stretch. Thus, BCS snub. Hate to break it to you but the BCS is the "Group of Five". The BCS
bowls are not going anywhere, in fact the remaining two won't host a
playoff game:Tostitos Fiesta BowlAt-Large vs. Group of FiveDiscover Orange BowlACC Champ/A-L vs. B1G/SEC/NDPlus
the Group of Five just added:AT&T Cotton Bowl ClassicAt-Large vs. Group of Five
P.S. 2fer, I didn't intend for my expression of "FACTS" to sound
like your post was incorrect, I agreed with most of what you said. I was simply
thinking about the Kids History episode where they're riding in the car....
RE: Two For FlinchingI see what you're saying but it
doesn't change any of the FACTS from my previous post. While members of
the "Big 5" feel that their conferences have simply taken the place of
"BCS" (which is likely true) it doesn't change the fact that there
are "BCS busters" out there. None of the teams that left the Big East
(WVU, Syracuse, Pitt) were included in my list of BCS busters, the AAC did lose
Louisville but gained UCF so they are still a top mid-major conference, one with
a proven track record of playing in BCS/Big 5 bowl games. I still see no
logical reason for a snub, if a one loss UCF team can make it, why not an
@ WiscougarfanThe old Big East became the AAC after WVU, Syracuse
and Pitt left the conf. The AAC is also losing Rugers and Louisville next
season. Those teams were replaced by Navy, Temple, UCF, SMU, Houston and
Memphis. As a result the AAC lost it's AQ status, and is essentially now a
mid-major conference. The Big 5 power conferences left include that PAC-12, BIG
12, BIG 10, SEC, and the ACC. That is why the AAC will most likely be snubbed
from a championship bowl in 2014.
And then there's this:Versus PAC 12 TeamsBronco 9-9
(50%)Kyle 13-21 (38%)WashingtonBronco 2-1 (67%)Kyle 0-2 (0%)OregonBronco 1-0 (100%)Kyle 0-2 (0%)Oregon StBronco 2-1 (67%)Kyle 2-3 (40%)UCLABronco 2-1 (67%)Kyle 2-3 (40%)WSUBronco 1-0 (100%)Kyle 2-1 (67%)
Uteology"Utah and TCU are doormats in tougher leagues, BYU would
be worse."Nothing but a bunch of jealous hot air; you have
absolutely no proof that BYU would be worse than Utah.In fact,
historic evidence suggests just the opposite:AP Top 25 FinishesBronco 4Kyle 2AP/Coaches Top 15 FinishesBronco 3Kyle 111+ Win SeasonsBronco 3Kyle 1Conference ChampionshipBronco 2Kyle 1MWC FinishesBronco -- 2, 1, 1, 3, 2, 3 = 2.00 average finishKyle ---- 4, 3, 3, 1, 3,
2 = 2.66 average finishBronco was undefeated versus MWC cellar
dwellers Wyoming, Colorado St, New Mexico and UNLVKyle lost to every MWC
cellar dweller including getting shut out by 10-loss UNLV
With haters disparaging the AAC I thought I'd do a little digging to see
how horrible this conference actually is. Here's what I found...In their only year of existence (2013-14) the conference champion finished the
season ranked #10 (which I believe was slightly higher than Utah) and played in
a BCS bowl despite having one loss. The AAC won more BCS bowl games last season
than the PAC12.Since there is such a short history it is hard to say
much more about the conference. However, of the current members, 4 (UCF, Cincy,
Louisville, UCONN) have played in a total of 5 BCS bowl games (2009 Orange, 2010
Sugar, 2011 Fiesta, 2012 Sugar, 2013 Fiesta) since Utah played in their last BCS
bowl (2008). With a team having appeared in a BCS bowl each of the
last five seasons I wonder why Uteology thinks they'll suddenly get snubbed
this coming season. Spin away, I love to see y'all squirm up on the hill.
You continue to prove that there is only one team in Utah worth talking about,
and that team is in Provo. Go Cougs!
Re: Uteology"The only good thing about this bowl game is that it
will be played in Miami! I doubt either fanbase will be happy playing in the AAC
Championship game after being snubbed by the BCS bowls."Yeah,
that makes a lot of sense since 1) an AAC team played in and won a BCS bowl last
season, and 2) there is no longer such thing as "BCS". Whatever helps
you sleep at night...
Why is this difficult to understand?This would be like BYU fans
getting on a Utah story to rag about how bad the Utah football team is after we
lost to them. I know it happens, I just can't understand it. The words
would choke in my throat, or tangle my fingers in knots, as it were.Similarly, I cannot understand why U fans can't seem to understand that
fans of a team that has not been bowling two years in a row, and for whom the
prospects this year may not be any better, have absolutely zero standing in a
discussion on the merits of this bowl game.Zero.There
ARE merits, and it isn't all Roses (pardon the pun).But stick
to "scoreboard" and "4-0". You own it. But you got
nothin' here. Obviously you have the right to be interested; you can even
feel the way you do. But your words are shouted in an otherwise empty
forest.No one hears you.Stop talking.
@WiscougarfanUtah and TCU are doormats in tougher leagues, BYU would
be worse. I have no problem with BYU fans not wanting to compete against the
Power 5. After all you guys can't even compete with Utah or TCU.Miami Beach Bowl (aka AAC Championship Game):BYU (10-2) vs
Cincinnati (11-1)The only good thing about this bowl game is
that it will be played in Miami! I doubt either fanbase will be happy playing in
the AAC Championship game after being snubbed by the BCS bowls.
Being an Independent does have its perks - exclusive partnership with ESPN,
freedom to have every home game nationally televised either on ESPN or on BYUtv,
ability to schedule elite teams from across the country throughout the season,
instead of only being able to play one or two a season, and no more trips to
"All true blue fans would trade places with Utah."Not this
TrueBlue fan.As Wiscougarfan said, there's nothing prestigiou
about being a perennial doormat of any conference.Unlike Utah fans
who seem to be satisfied with nothing more than being "in" a conference,
I care more about BYU's overall success. Whether that's as an
Independent or as a member of a conference, BYU can still achieve great
success.Who would have predicted at the beginning of the LaVell
Edwards era, that a WAC school that had never achieved anything on a national
championship, would become a perennial Top 25 team, win a Consensus National
Championship, a Heisman Trophy, become a quarterback factory, and have multiple
players inducted into the National College Football Hall of Fame within the next
20 years.BYU may have to travel a different path to get there, but
there's no reason it can't be done again.
"Even if Utah does not make a bowl game they still get to play 10 games
against power conference teams." and "All true
blue fans would trade places with Utah."Sorry, but that simply
isn't true. I'm a real Cougarfan and I would prefer my team is not
the doormat of a conference, no matter what conference it is. I already did
that when I attended a B1G school for one of my graduate degrees and the annual
bicycle race was a bigger deal than the football program. Nope, I'll keep
my independence and be grateful for a national schedule, a national television
contract, and an annual bowl game. It's good to be a Cougar!
Mormon UteFair comment and of course this thread has about run its
course, but I'd like to reply.BYU fans laugh about Utah's
position in the PAC whatever, but maybe we do that because Utah fans continually
brag about BYU's lack of inclusion. It goes round and round and it
includes everything including which apostle went to which school. Really I like coach Whit and I like Utah football. I wish obnoxious fans from
both sides could show a little more class. How about you and I start with
this?I believe Utah is in a potential better position in a
conference than BYU is in independence. Independence is the best option
available to BYU at present. Both teams could improve their position by
winning big games when they get the chance. Fair enough?
@Hank PymActually, I'm pretty sure BYU only needs to win 5
games to go to the bowl games that Utah goes to :)Go Cougars!
re: Mormon UteExactly. BYU needs to win at least 10 games to go to
bowl that a 7 win Utah team would.
This is just my perspective on this, but so many BYU fans have expressed
surprise at how many Ute fans have jumped on this and been critical of
BYU's bowl situation. Again, this is just me, but my position is that so
many BYU fans have chided the Utes for being proud of our inclusion in the Pac
12 that we look for every opportunity to point out weaknesses in BYU's
position as an independent. The bowl situation is a glaring weakness that even
ESPN cannot help BYU with. So if BYU fans want Ute fans to lay off the
criticism on a topic like this, they need to lay off the criticism of our Pac 12
membership. The bottom line is, and I challenge any BYU fan to prove me wrong,
Utah has much greater upward potential as far as bowl games and opportunities
for the national playoff than BYU does. Membership in any of the 5 power
conferences brings that.
"Actually, Utah will be playing at the Rose Bowl on October 4th of this
year."I think only a Ute fan would brag about playing UCLA at
home and referring to it as "the Rose Bowl". Yes, the stadium's
name is the Rose Bowl. That's no more prestigious than playing USC in the
coliseum or any other stadium. This article is about Bowls, not which stadium
utah gets to lose in this year. Oh, and Utah's
"chances" of getting into any bowl game this year are 0. Odds makers
might give them higher chances, but ultimately, it's 0. So at least BYU
get's to play in a bowl game. You can beat your drum of conference
affiliation till the cows come home. Just like North Carolina State, most people
couldn't tell that utah was in a "power conference" based on how
Laugh all you want, Ute fans. It is a better bowl than the nothing bowl and a
better location than sitting at home in Salt Lake, which is what the Utes will
get (again). Go Cougars!
An article on a guaranteed BYU bowl game is trending slowly in the number of
comments towards the number generated after the basketball debacle in Moraga,
California recently. Too funny!
CougarSunDevil: " No it's not the Rose Bowl, but then, no
one from the state of Utah is going there."Actually, Utah will
be playing at the Rose Bowl on October 4th of this year. I know it's not as
prestigious as byu playing at Johnny 'Red' Floyd Stadium in
Murfreesboro, TN, but I'm sure the Utes will manage. As for the
actual Rose Bowl game on New Year's Day, Utah has a better chance of
reaching that game than byu under the new CFB structure. Utah probably
won't get there this year, next year, or even 10 years from now, but
it's nice to know that it's a possibility when all D-1 teams are 0-0
at the beginning of the season.
My Utes have to earn their way into a bowl. It's a tougher road than the
way BYU, USU has to go. Walk a moment in Utah's shoes. All true blue fans
would trade places with Utah. BYU playing our schedule would win
only 2-3 games. Utah will be lucky to get to 5-6 this year. It feels like a seal
running the gauntlet of great white sharks. 98% ticket renewal with
a huge waiting list to get to the games.
Look, any Cougar fan would probably prefer being in the Big 12 right now, but
independence hasn't been bad for the Cougs. The MWC was far worse. Now the
majority of our games are on national tv, not some quack station that Direct TV
won't even carry. BYU plays games from coast to coast giving fans outside
the state a chance to attend their games. Every year is exciting because we play
different teams and no one knows how good these teams will be at the end of the
year...that's better than putting on extra padding to take the same
whooping at the hands of the same people every year (poor utes).I
think BYUs future could be bright if the right people make the right decisions
when they need to be made. And leaving the MWC and it's dying network was
the right decision for BYU. They make more money and have far more exposure now
than they ever did.
First of all I have never heard of the AAC. Is it a new conference? Secondly isn't it a little early to be announcing bowl bids? And
what if BYU doesn't win 6 games to become bowl eligible? Although with
their apparent schedule as noted by others if that were to happen probably what
would happen is a coaching change. It really appears at this point that
going independent wasn't the wisest decision. I think they over estimated
their drawing ability.
Thank you all you Utah fans for proving my point that you will never be able to
compete in the PAC-12 because you can't let everything BYU go. I like the bowl. It's innovative and think playing in any inaugural game
is a good thing. No it's not the Rose Bowl, but then, no one from the state
of Utah is going there.
Naval VetSpeaking of "midmajory",how does it
feel to be sitting home on the couch during bowl week, while a couple dozen
"midmajor" teams are bowling?Utah fans are simply showing
their desperation when they flock to every BYU bowl article in a vain attempt to
asauge their bitter angst over BYU once again bowling while the Utes are
spending another bowl week on the couch.
@ Y ask Y"I sold my season tickets, and good thing, too. Why
would I want to travel clear across the country for a no-account bowl game
against a nobody AAC team?I really don't like Independence.
Being a Coug fan just keeps getting worse."You're argument
implies you are divorcing your spouse just because of a disagreement. Do you
want to know what a real fan would say in this situation? "I'm not
excited about this particular bowl game nor the independence that my team has
but I still love and support my team and will watch them anyway and hopefully
things will improve." - Bandwagoner says, "I'll support my team
once they are good again and play better teams (AKA - I'll support my team
again when they fulfill whatever criteria I set)."
Snack WAC:Actually, it is YOU who needs to take off the BLUE
goggles. The Big East > the AAC. The AAC is really nothing more than a
glorified C-USA, and C-USA was never > the Big East.The AAC team
the cougars are scheduled to play in the Miami Beach Bowl -- after they phone in
their weak SOS season -- won't be a conference that showcases Louisville.
Because like all the OTHER former Big East teams with any clout, they left that
midmajorey conference behind. Six of the eight teams remaining in the AAC were
rooted in C-USA. And of the other two, UConn was D1-AA in the early aughts and
Temple had spent some time in the MAC. There is absolutely no legitimate claim
that the AAC is a stronger league than the old Big East.
I wonder what would happen if the the best AAC team available is one the three
we will have played during the season?It might not be a top tier
bowl, but I wonder what the payout is? And even more important is the exposure
to recruiting in another important State. As Utah continues to struggle their
recruiting footprint is static at best and more likely shrinking.
In the spring/ summer of 2011 when Utah went to the Pac-12 and BYU went indy, I
said Utah would become the doormats of the Pac-12 and everybody would soon
forget all about the Utes. Check those off, they've already happened.
Summer of 2012, I gave Kyle 3 more years until he gets the ax. If another losing
season occurs, check that off too. As a BYU fan I would much rather be in a
power conference like Utah, but I wouldn't trade our position with Utah
now. This years schedule is bad for BYU, but it is a schedule they can win 10 to
11 games with their bowl game. If they win 10-11 games they will be in the top
25 at the end of the year. They will be in the top 20 pre-season for 2015 and
with a much tougher schedule, be able to make some noise nationally. The
schedule continues to be solid after that. Recruiting arc is going up for BYU
and down for Utah. By 2015 Ute fans will wish they were in BYU's shoes.
PAC12Fan"Twist it as you will but this is a tier 3 bowl
game..."says the jealous fan of a team whose junior class has
never played in anything besides the potato chip bowl.
"Even if Utah does not make a bowl game they still get to play 10 games
against power conference teams."Yawn.Remind how
thrilling it is to end every season playing a power conference "rival"
that hasn't finished with a winning record in almost a decade.
"Utah was just a couple plays away in our FIRST year in the prestigious Pac
12 from playing in a power conference title game."And trending
southward ever since...4-5, 3-6, 2-7 LOL. Greased skids
and all... and then came the mighty Buffs. I never laughed so hard in my
life.And then two years in a row bowl-less.And you
Utesies are here smack talking about bowl games when we know you would have
jumped at the chance to play in Laramie in late January had the Cowboys had a
bowl game for you.But then again when you lose more than you win
you're home for the holidays. Right?
No payout for the Miami Bowl has been announced. I expect it to be in the range
of the Las Vegas or the Military Bowl at $1 million. The non-BCS bowls pay
between $325,000 (Boise) and $4.5 million (Capital One). The Poinsetta Bowl is
only $500,00. The new Bahams Bowl would be a kick to attend. I could be
convinced to take another trip to Nasau.
BYU probably likely has played in more bowl locations than any other team at
this point. I was thrilled to hear this announcement though was HOPING that the
Bahama Bowl would swing our way instead. And for those naysayers
who keep touting that an undefeated BYU can't get into the playoffs lets
first see if the team can win its game against UConn. Get that game then focus
on the next. I am sure if the team wins out they will be rewarded highly.
Twist it as you will but this is a tier 3 bowl game. Win the easy games (7), win
a semi tough game and lose the four tough games will get you to Miami. The
suspense of the tough opponent will be really exciting. It keeps the fans happy
and the coach gets a raise and another year. Easy road!
"Utah was just a couple plays away in our FIRST year in the prestigious Pac
12 from playing in a power conference title game."And BYU was a
couple plays away from splitting 2-2 with the Utes the last 4 years. However,
they were far more than a couple plays away from getting more offensive yards
than the Utes.
@Rockwell"Miami Beach Bowl > coach potato bowl"When my sister mispronounced Utes a few years ago she said Utz, like the
potato chip. Maybe she's a top bowl prognosticator. (Well if my school is
not going to win, I might as well at least maintain a decent sense of humor
Even if Utah does not make a bowl game they still get to play 10 games against
power conference teams.BYU will only play 3 power conference teams
in 2014.Utah gets to play 10 great teams next year, so playing a
horrible schedule with a prize of an AAC team in a bowl is something they are
not jealous of.
Tajemnica,I am not a "true"Cougar fan?Yeah,
sure, and you don't truly love your husband because you don't agree
with every single decision he makes, right?I haven't heard such
a silly argument in years!
@ Ken Lee "BYU has decent fans" That's part of your argument? Guess
what? Notre Dame has decent fans, Wisconsin, Nebraska, most schools have decent
fans and frankly most Utah fans are decent people. And many not most LDS members
outside of Utah really aren't in love with BYU as much as people think. If
BYU comes to town its something to do. As for an exciting brand of football?
When did running the ball all the time constitute an exciting brand of football?
Ken I look forward to seeing you when Utah comes to Pasadena to play UCLA.
Taysom is a great athlete hopefully for your sake and BYU he can complete more
passes this year and make it an exciting brand like it once was - as for
Utah's butt-kicking in the Pac-12 you do realize that Utah was in most of
their games last year? Cheers.
Regarding the Miami Beach Bowl itself: Playing in a baseball stadium -- not
again. Hopefully the field set up can be something better than AT&T Park
for the Fight Hunger Bowl.
The ONLY football news that s/b discussed in late April is regarding the
upcoming NFL draft.
Uncle RicoRutgers, Maryland and Colorado are proof positive that
Utah's invitation to the PAC 12 was based entirely on television market
size and had absolutely nothing to do with the quality of Utah's football
program.Frankly, when it comes to bowl games, except for the
playoffs, Orange, Sugar, Cotton, Fiesta, and Rose Bowls, I'm much more
concerned about having an interesting place to visit, than I am about the
"quality" of the bowl opponent.I see BYU's 2014 season
as a stepping stone to a breakout season in 2015.In the meantime,
what's not to like about spending bowl week in Miami?It's
certainly a lot better than spending it in El Paso or Albuquerque, regardless of
the bowl opponent.btw, rematches happen in bowls all the time,
especially if the first game was interesting - see BYU-UCLA 2007, Alabama-LSU
The likely bowl match up is SMU vs. BYU. 20 Year Anniversary of the 1984 Holiday
Bowl Game. None of the Big 5 conferences are going to sign a bowl contract with
BYU. They're going to keep the money to themselves.
Look Ute fans, you had two good wins last year. Stanford and BYU. Both teams
losing finished ranked higher in ALL the polls than you did. Spoiler teams can
get up and ambush better teams once or twice a year. Playing BYU is so
exciting and important for the UTES they accomplished that far too often over
the past 10 years. But, BYU has been ranked at the end of the season higher
more often than the UTES since 2000. BYU has the national
reputation and ESPN contract. Would ESPN ever give the UTES their own contract
if the situation were reversed? Really? BYU has international following,
it's own DirecTV channel, bigger stadium, decent people as fans, games and
fans all over the country, and play an exciting style of ball. See
Taysom's record setting rushing vs. Texas? Keep taking the butt-kicking
in PAC12 games and pretending other teams that beat you makes you better in some
weird way. Realistically, will the UTES ever be ranked again? I doubt it.
But you have a good strength of schedule and lose routinely to other teams that
ARE good. Here's to spoiling someone's season this year!
Naval VetRe: The AAC is basically the same conference that Utah
played in the 2004 Fiesta Bowl, only stronger in football.Yep. #20 Louisville and #25 Central Florida were both better in 2013 than the
#67 Pittsburgh team Utah beat in the Fiesta Bowl in 2004.You need to
take off the crimson-colored glasses once in a while long enough to see
Re: TrueBlueYou do realize that Louisville and Rutgers are no longer
in the AAC, 2013 was their last year.BYU will be playing one of
these teams:Cincinnati, UConn, Houston, Memphis, SMU, South Florida,
Temple, UCF, East Carolina, Tulane, TulsaBYU already plays UConn,
Houston, and UCF in the regular season. They do not like to have
rematches in bowl games, so BYU will be playing:Cincinnati, Memphis, SMU,
South Florida, Temple, East Carolina, Tulane, Tulsa2014 BYU will
play 4 games against the AAC.
@ KVN/Hoff want 0-4 against UTAH:You write that "I just
don't get why a powerhouse team like BYU can't get a bowl contract
with any of the 60+ power conference schools?"And I don't
get why a powerhouse conference team like Utah can't get a bowl contract
with any of the 60+ power conference schools.Wait... yes, I do.
It's for the same reason they can't get any kind of bowl contract
whatsoever... even against' a division II team. A team has to first have a
winning record. And we're now having to start stretching our memories to
remember when Utah last had one of those. It's multiple years and counting.
It would actually be kind of nice if Utah could ever play in a bowl
game again. Then their fans wouldn't be left with nothing to do but pay
homage to BYU by criticizing the fact that they actually do still play in bowl
games. Any bowl game at anywhere against anyone beats no bowl game whatsoever.
I guarantee Utah would've been thrilled to be able to play a
bowl game in Miami against an AAC team or anyone else.
TrueBlue#20 > #26#25 > #29#50 > #55#67
< #62#100 < #94And let's not forget, the Big East
conference was so weak in 2004, that #62 Pittsburgh got the BCS auto-bid after
finishing in a 4-way tie for first in a 7-team conference.
Mexican UteBYU's #38 2013 SOS was STRONGER that ANY schedule
Utah had EVER played, prior to 2013, including Utah's #41 2012, #56 2008
and #67 2004 SOSs.And no, Utah wasn't invited to the PAC 12
because of their two BCS wins; the Utes were invited because they were the best
athletic program that wasn't religiously affiliated in one of the two
largest television markets within the PAC 12 footprint.
@ 311ute:Yes, I can say with complete confidence that Miami would be
a great location to go play a bowl game in December... against any team from any
conference. It will definitely be against an opponent with a winning record. And
it unquestionably beats sitting around SLC through that entire month watching
other teams play in bowl games.And a definite "yes" to your
question about independence being a good thing. Unlike Utah, it allows BYU to
choose schedules that aren't way over their heads. What good is playing in
a conference where you can't be competitive enough to even finish with a
winning record for years at a time? And winning just a single road conference
game in 3 years is actually quite pathetic. So yes, the benefits of independence
is much more appealing than that scenario.
This is sweet pretty much everyone watches us in bowl games pretty much more
than anyone else is watched.
Naval VetThe Big East of 2004 had teams like #26 Boston
College, #29 West Virginia, #55 Pittsburgh, #62 Syracuse, and #94 Rutgers, and
vying for the Fiesta Bowl. Meanwhile, the AAC of 2013 had teams
like#20 Louisville, #25 Central Florida, #50 Houston, #67
Cincinnati, and #100 Rutgers vying for the Fiesta Bowl.Any objective
observer can clearly see that the AAC of 2013 was STRONGER than the Big East of
2004, especially at the top where #20 Louisville AND #25 Central Florida were
BOTH better than #26 Boston College.btw, the AAC champion of 2013
beat their Big 5 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Baylor.
Pay attention recruits. Can't make this up.
@ ekute:You write that "Their football association with the AAC
is comparable to their basketball association with the WCC."And
yet we all now know that a very average WCC team can and has beaten Utah by
double digits after BYU beat that same team 3 times in a row. Now that truly
warrants a real LOL.All that proves is that Utah is in way over
their heads in their conference affiliation. How quickly some people seem to
forget that they shouldn't be throwing any stones at all. Everyone now
knows that Utah's house is made of glass that is very breakable. When you find yourself in a hole, ekute, the smart thing to do is quit
TajemnicaYou're right I don't read very many utah
articles, because I really don't care about what is going on with teams
that don't do anything significant on a national (or conference) level.When I do read some of the bigger utah stories, however, I find very few
BYU fans commenting.You, on the other hand, cared enough about
what's going on in Provo to both read and comment.
Naval Vet"You should try actually READING what those Ute fans
are saying. Those comments are not reflective of a fanbase that reveres you too
highly."Obviously the utes don't regard byu highly,
they're ute fans. What they say about our program has nothing to do with
how good or bad we actually are. It's just derogatory garbage.As far as my comment on BYU fans never commenting on ute articles, I will
admit that it was a bit of an exaggeration. However, it is a heck of a lot less
than the number of utes who comment on BYU articles. That is fact, look at any
articles for the two teams, and please don't even try to argue with that
one. You probably will, which will just be another ute comment on a BYU article
Sorry fellow Cougar fans, but I just can't get excited about this bowl
Chris B"Utah was just a couple plays away in our FIRST year in
the prestigious Pac 12 from playing in a power conference title game."LOL at your spin.Utah was completely DOMINATED at home in
the first half by a team that hadn't won a road game in over 3 years, and
then the Utes made the final score somewhat respectful by scoring a very late
touchdown with 54 seconds left in the game to draw within 17-14.Besides Utah, the only other PAC South team to finish with a winning record
was USC, which was ineligible.The truth is, Utah had a gift-wrapped
PAC South title there for the taking a U weren't good enough to beat a
10-loss team at home.
Utah Fans,Any bowl beats no bowling. So yes, I'd gladly take
the Miami Beach Bowl over sitting on my couch watching that bowl game. Go Cougs!
DeepBlue:"The AAC is basically the same conference that Utah
played in the 2004 Fiesta Bowl, only stronger in football..."Nope. You made that up. The Big East of 2004 had teams like Boston College,
Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt, and West Virginia, vying for the Fiesta Bowl. Now all
those teams had fled to the ACC, BigTen, and Big 12. In their stead was a
backfill of 10 C-USA teams. There's a REASON why they lost their
"Power Conference" status (not to mention their "Big East"
name). So no, not stronger. Weaker. Extremely weaker.Don't be so frantic and emotional.
Utah has had two special seasons in the past decade. Those two special seasons
EARNED them the privilege to play in the Pac 12. And though Utah has struggled
the last pair of seasons, they have been getting more competitive. They beat
Stanford, came within a touchdown of beating UCLA, was leading Arizona State in
the 4th Quarter, and played well for three quarters against Oregon. Oh yeah,
they beat BYU, for the fourth time in a row.The 54-10 was hilarious
to watch too by the way. Almost as if the BYU defense was expecting Jordan Wynn
to pass the ball like Jake Heaps, rockets down below. Wynn just touch passed
all night long and White was running in daylight.BYU hasn't had
any special seasons since I was born. Their NC was oh so long ago.And BYU with Utah's schedule the past couple of years, would NEVER have
made a bowl game. Heck, I don't think they even get to 5 wins either last
year or the year before.
CHS 85:"So they don't actually have to earn a bowl
bid?"Nope! They just have to "phone it in". Have you
seen the cougars' schedule? Weak SOS!
Darren Rowe:"All the comments from utah fans on this article
shows that BYU is still the premier program in the state."You
should try actually READING what those Ute fans are saying. Those comments are
not reflective of a fanbase that reveres you too highly. The Miami Bowl matches
the AAC with a rotating trio of "peer" institutions: the MAC, the Sun
Belt, and the Y. How prestigious. [*snicker*]"However, if you
look at a utah article, you almost never find BYU fans commenting."Not even remotely accurate."Just goes to show that we have
moved on and focus more on the national picture, while ute fans still compare
themselves to BYU 24/7."That can't be true. Remember?
Utah is your "Super Bowl", and multiple other cougs had remarked about
how beating Utah was your "biggest motivation". That sure doesn't
sound like you'd moved on. WE have! We don't care that you'd
been omitted from our 2014 schedule, but Y fans are still lamenting the snub.
Just look at pg 1 of this comment board: Caleb said, "...it would have been
cool to...to play the Utes...". No U fans said anything likewise.
Chris:Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades...and when all
the best players are eligible. USC was far and away the best team in the south
that year, as evidenced by how the south division was served up for Oregon to
feast on. Luckily Utah lost to Colorado and saved themselves the embarrassment
of getting butchered by the Ducks. It is a little unfortunate though,
considering it was probably Utah's best shot at doing anything meaningful
in the PAC...now the big dogs are barking again, and the darkness is closing in
on Utah ever being in contention for anything other than water boy, placeholder,
schedule padder, etc. Truly sad.
311ute"People even mentioning the playoff for BYU have no ground
to stand, just look at last years bowl game vs Washington."Since
when is last season's bowl game the end-all-be-all final judgement?BYU is 4-5 versus Washington; Utah is 0-8.Utah fans trying
to claim that their twin flash-in-the-pan seasons are an indication of
"special seasons" to come have no ground to stand on.The
comparative history of the two programs indicates that BYU has MUCH better odds
of having a break-through season to compete for a national championship, after
all, of the two programs, BYU is the only one that has actually won a national
championship.And it doesn't end there:AP Top 25
FinishesBYU 17; Bronco 4Utah 5; Kyle 211+ Win SeasonsBYU 11; Bronco 3Utah 2; Kyle 1Heisman Trophies, National
Individual Awards, National Hall of Fame PlayersBYU has won them all, most
of them several timesUtah has never won a national individual player award
of any kind
Unfortunately, I have to say I'm extremely jealous of the Utes position in
the PAC-12. The Cougs did all the heavy football lifting over the years and have
twice the overall athletic program yet Utah got the invite. Such a bummer! Now
all we have to look forward to are second rate mid major bowl games every year.
Hurts to say it but Independence is nowhere close to PAC-12 membership.
true blue,Utah was just a couple plays away in our FIRST year in the
prestigious Pac 12 from playing in a power conference title game.So
yes, that gives us reason to believe we can have a special season.When was the last special season for you guys?
Btw Utah odds for the NC are 1/300...glad I'm on the right side of that
All kidding aside, why did ESPN set up BYU for this particular bowl? I would
think something could be worked out to have BYU at least be an option in any
number of power conference bowl games based on their BSC ranking. Certainly any
number of matchups would be more competitive than anything the AAC can serve up.
I wonder if BYU hasn't become a victim of their own national
fan base. ESPN just figures that BYU will bring enough fans to a new bowl to
make it economically viable even if the game itself proves to be a lackluster
Elmer FuddRemind us which bowl games Utah qualified for by beating
BYU - one game does not a season make, no matter how much you try to spin it.
311ute:As a BYU fan I would be dishonest if I said I don't miss the
conference rivalries and the fight for a conference championship. That being
said, I don't really agree with you in terms of what you have to look
forward to in the post season. Whether you go to the Sun Bowl, or Holiday Bowl,
or Miami Bowl doesn't really matter in CFB. This has been the problem with
CFB for a long time. If you're not in the championship than
what exactly are YOU playing for? If you want to get excited about a
"better" bowl in El Paso so be it, but is it really anything special if
you aren't playing for it all (and to be clear I don't believe Utah
will ever win the PAC12 let alone get into a 4 team playoff)? The NFL post
season is exciting and something to look forward to, CFB not so much unless
you're one of those fortunate 4 teams. In that regard there's no
difference between Utah & BYU except I'd rather watch a bowl in Miami
than El Paso or staying home.
311ute"My point is that when Utah has a special season, they
will be rewarded as such."What makes you think Utah will ever
have a "special season" in the PAC? Arizona has been a member of the PAC
since the late 70's, and the Wildcats are still waiting for their first
Rose Bowl appearance.Even in the WAC/MWC the Utes only had a couple
of "special seasons" in the last half century.
311Ute said: "Vegas has BYU a 1/100 shot at winning the NC"So you're telling me there's a chance!
This article has nothing to do with the utes.Envy flows.
@ Elmer FuddThe season is 12 games not 1. Cougar fans have lost to
the utes one game each year for the last 4 years yes, but to Cougar fans that
game doesn't make or break their season each year like it does for utah
fans. So rather than harking on BYU fans for losing to the utes yet again, why
don't you worry about the rest of the games each season? That's why
Cougar fans bring it up. They realize the season as a whole is more important
than one game each year against a rival.
I hope we can make this bowl game since it will be difficult with such a hard
@ killarney"Actually they do; BYU has to finish with at least a
break-even record, something the Utes have only managed to do once since joining
the PAC 12"How come BYU has yet to beat Utah since joining the
independence conference? You Cougie fans love to point at our two consecutive
losing seasons and yet you still haven't beaten Utah since 2009.
And for those that insist on asking, it is not better than being in the PAC, but
it is better than being in the PAC and staying home.
311uteReno, NV"As a Utah fan, I love to hear and discuss
what's going on with our biggest rival. Why wouldn't I?"For that refreshing bit of honesty, you deserve to be treated with respect."Please stop with the "why is a ute fan on here commenting on a
byu article" and visa versa."Well, you see, when Utah fans
comment on BYU articles, that's fine. When they make comparative analysis,
that's fine too. When they compare something BYU to something Utah, even
that is fine, but that's when you get the "your dog may have beat my
dog head to head, but your dog still stayed home for Christmas" talk.So when you say, it's not about Utah, I agree. It wasn't.
Until Utah fans made it about Utah.This thing is neither good nor
bad, except as in comparison to something else. Is it better than being in the
MWC? Yes. Is it better than being in the PAC? No, but that isn't an
option, so why ask?
Deep Blue is right. It is the AAC who should be whining.
Deep Blue, Wishful thinking? You are completely missing the point.
My point is that when Utah has a special season, they will be rewarded as such.
BYU's season on the other hand, is already written. They'll win a few
games and go to this bowl; and in future years go to the San Diego Poinsettia
Bowl vs (most likely) a Mtn West opponent. People even mentioning the playoff
for BYU have no ground to stand, just look at last years bowl game vs
Washington. Wishful thinking is entertaining the idea that BYU has a shot at
making the playoff. Vegas has BYU a 1/100 shot at winning the NC and Utah 1/300.
Do you think the fans of teams with the same odds (Tennessee, Iowa, Miss. St.,
and Miami) are talking National Title? I think not, it's wishful thinking
do so. It's a total pipe dream. Instead, they are talking about the
possibility of competing for a conference championship. I wish the
people would see the big picture of this bowl affiliation, instead of blindly
regurgitating the comment that "at least BYU is going to a bowl game."
I digress, good luck this year cougars.
CHS 85"So they don't actually have to earn a bowl
bid?"Actually they do; BYU has to finish with at least a
break-even record, something the Utes have only managed to do once since joining
the PAC 12.
@311, the reason we watch and cheer for our team is because there is a chance
for a great season. It's pretty apparent BYU has a better chance of having
a great yr. this yr. compared to your team. No? Do we still need to rehash the
plusses and minuses of independence? Seriously. Let's do it again for those
who have missed it so many times. Benefits: greater exposure and visibility.
Fans everywhere in the country able to see all the game. Travel. The opportunity
for Y fans/church members to cheer for their team when a regional game comes
around. Great opportunity for players to play near their home towns. This also
spreads the recruiting net from the exposure. Interesting/varied schedule. It
really does look intriguing in the future, similar to last yr. The drawbacks: no
conference championship. No built in schedule. No more than 1 bowl tie in. If
BYU has 2-3 yrs. of 11-1 or 10-2 seasons, there should be quite a bit of
interest and momentum and better bowl opportunities will likely open up. Keep
your chins up cougar fans. This really could be a fun year. It will be fun to go
to Miami this yr.
54iq"Who in the world is the AAC?"Connecticut,
of the AAC, won the NCAA tournament championship in 2014.Thanks for
playing.-------------The AAC is basically the same
conference that Utah played in the 2004 Fiesta Bowl, only stronger in football,
and obviously, still pretty strong in basketball.
311ute"At least the Utes have a fighting chance to compete for a
division and a conference championship."Wishful thinking.Let's face it, even with USC ineligible, the Utes weren't
capable of winning the PAC South against the weakest collection of teams the PAC
South may see for decades.------------------As an
Independent, it would be very difficult for BYU to set up a tiered bowl
arrangement, but being able to plan ahead to go to San Diego, San Francisco or
Miami to watch a bowl game isn't all that bad either - really, not much
different than planning to spend bowl week in Las Vegas, if the Cougars
didn't qualify for a BCS game, only now, it's the playoffs.Regardless, it's light years ahead of spending bowl week on the couch.
So they don't actually have to earn a bowl bid?
Please stop with the "why is a ute fan on here commenting on a byu
article" and visa versa. For those of us that grew up in Utah, we are
intrigued by what's going on with both programs. Especially now as the
landscapes for both programs have changed dramatically the past few years. The
Little Brother/Big Brother stuff is nonsense. As a Utah fan, I love to hear and
discuss with what's going on with our biggest rival. Why wouldn't I?
BYU fans are curious and intrigued with what Utah is doing and Utah fans are
curious to what BYU is doing. BYU and Utah will always be rivals so the
curiosity and discussion/trash talk will always be there.
ekute"Their football association with the AAC is comparable to
their basketball association with the WCC."How so?BYU has played in the NCAA tournament 3 of the 4 seasons they've been in
the WCC.Utah hasn't played in the NCAA tournament since 2008,
long before the Utes were invited to join the PAC.So please explain
how BYU's association with the WCC or Utah's association with the PAC
has in any way affected each team's NCAA tournament chances.It's laughable how far jealous Utah fans have to stretch to draw invalid
point.btw, reading between the lines, BYU's Miami Beach Bowl
"commitment" may only be for the 2014 season. BYU already has
commitments to other bowls beyond 2014, the Poinsettia Bowl in 2015, for
@ Darren RoweClearly you haven't read many utah articles.
BYU fans, is this a good thing? Seriously, how much fun is it knowing that
regardless of your season (11-1 or 6-6) that the script for this season is
already written? Face it, you're not going to the playoff (neither is Utah
so there). At least the Utes have a fighting chance to compete for a division
and a conference championship. Is it likely? No, not this year. But the reason
why we watch the games is because we don't know what will happen. It gives
Utah fans hope. There's a chance that Utah could be playing for a
divisional title, just look at three years ago when they could have won the
division (USC sanctions) but blew it vs Colorado. It sucked losing but the
drama of it was awesome. BYU?? No drama, no conference title shot, no
meaningful games in November. So my question remains......Is this bowl
affiliation a good thing? Is Independence?
@54-10What in the world is the Salt Lake City Bowl? Is that the
spring scrimmage game up on the hill - the only game outside the regular season
the utes play in? Might as well start calling it that.
All the comments from utah fans on this article shows that BYU is still the
premier program in the state.Utah fans will throw all the
"54-10, Pac-12, Women's Gymnastics, Max Hall Hates Me" comments out
there for why utah is better, but they are obviously still attached to BYU by
commenting on these articles.However, if you look at a utah article,
you almost never find BYU fans commenting.Just goes to show that we
have moved on and focus more on the national picture, while ute fans still
compare themselves to BYU 24/7.
@ Y ask YThen you aren't actually a true BYU fan. True fans
stick with the team no matter what and support them in good and bad and
regardless of where/who they play. You are describing a bandwagoner. Only a fan
when things are good. I take it you aren't a Chicago Cubs fan either?
Who in the world is the AAC ?Rise and shout.
Go on Ute fans, first to commend. Sure love reading U give us advice on bowl
games. Something that you all don't know how its like.
borox23Not all BYU fans would like to swap places with Utah. Fans
outside of Utah appreciate the diverse geographic locations allowed by
Independence. This year fans in Florida have two opportunities to drive to
games. I believe the previous visit was in 2000. When have Utah fans in Florida
ever been able to drive to a game? I have enjoyed the games in Texas. Houston
last year was one of the most entertaining games I have ever attended.Utah is in a great conference, and they had a great game against Stanford last
year. But fans outside of Utah Valley prefer the easy access to televised games
and the ability to drive to a game once a year. I think Utah fans outside of
their conference footprint would agree.
When was the last time BYU went to a real New Years Day bowl? It's been a
while. All these little no-name bowls are small potatoes but perhaps BYU has
become small potatoes as a school now so maybe this is for the best.
Bowl game talk already? The season hasn't even started! I sold my season
tickets, and good thing, too. Why would I want to travel clear across the
country for a no-account bowl game against a nobody AAC team?I
really don't like Independence. Being a Coug fan just keeps getting worse.
Do utie fans even remember what a bowl game is? to think that the ute junior
players will be 0-4 going to a bowl game and breaking in their second coach in
just the 4 short years playing on the hill..lol
Miami vs. Salt Lake City in the dead of winter? I'd play a peewee football
team in Miami before I'd be stuck watching TV in Salt Lake.
BYU's best shot this year at the playoff consists of a few criteria. #1 They need to be undefeated (obviously)#2 They need to demolish the
competition#3 Some of these weak schools need to have miracle seasons
themselves#4 They other top 10 schools in the country at the end of the
season need to have multiple losses themselves. 2+ losses from strong teams from
strong conferences such as the SEC and at least 1 loss for every other top ten
team.BYU has a shot but their chances are low. About the same as
BYU's basketball team winning the NCAA tournament this past year. You have
to be in the big dance to have a shot at it. Doesn't make it likely but the
mathematical possibility is there. You CANNOT win the tournament without first
being invited and BYU football CANNOT make the playoffs if they fail in any one
of these four categories, 2 of which they have no control over.That
being said, its better to go to a bowl game, any bowl game, than to sit on the
couch watching and Miami is not a bad city to be playing in even if the bowl
game itself is weak.
Their football association with the aac is comparable to their basketball
association with the wcc. lol.
311uteReno, NV@ TruthThis isn't about Utah. Utah
311uteReno, NV"This isn't about Utah." And yet,
how many Uyah commentators couldn't wait to get on board an article that
has nothing to do with them?"Again, this isn't about Utah.
Utah is fine. When they have a special team and have a special year, they will
be rewarded as such. When BYU has a special year, they will continue to go to
these unimportant bowls."So, last week, Athlon interprets
BYU's "weak schedule" as an outside chance at a playoff spot, but
you say no, no, Nannette. So many voices, who to believe, who to believe?This bowl association is bad news for cougar nation. I disagree. No
bowl association would be bad news. Some bowl associations are better than
others. There could be better bowl associations for BYU, but at present, there
are not. As Utah fans (frequently) remind us, win some big games, the picture
will get even better.I can live with that. Why can't U?
Have fun in Miami, Cougars! You will be bowl eligible this year and could even
go undefeated, but you will play in Miami, even with an undefeated season. Your
SOS will keep you out of the playoff and all the other bowls are locked up.
Santa came early this year for my kids--looks like they are going to Disneyworld
@ TruthThis isn't about Utah. Utah has performed poorly in the
P12 and have not gone to a bowl the past two years because of it. We know this
already. The subject matter of this article is the new bowl game in Miami. My
point remains that BYU is taking another step in being associated with the lower
level conferences. With the NCAA agreeing to let the big 5 have more autonomy,
this bowl association is another step towards BYU being left out. Again, this isn't about Utah. Utah is fine. When they have a special
team and have a special year, they will be rewarded as such. When BYU has a
special year, they will continue to go to these unimportant bowls. With SOS
being a huge factor in the National Championship Playoff, an undefeated BYU is
not a lock to get in. This bowl association is bad news for cougar
Silly u from the hill. Still smelling those dead roses?The title
says it was confirmed by espn but at the bottom article, "Check back here
for updates on this developing story". Nothing has been confirmed as of yet.
If BYU do take it, then they are going backward.
Challenge to the FoeIt's a given that every bowl contract going
forward will have an out clause in case one of the participants is invited to
As someone who will be impacted locally from this game. All I can say
is...boring...Can't committee members get a 'cool' college for
its inaugural bowl game? Guess not. Instead, they had to settle for a school
that was named most vanilla college in America 5 years running.
Lets be honest, we would all be happy to be where Utah is in the Pac-12 rather
than ripping it up against sub-par competition in independence world in 2014.
Jokes about them not being bowl eligible just reflect all the Jr High level
competition we beat up on to get the 6 wins. Remember Cougar fans? We
don't beat Utah on a regular basis! This upcoming year is going to look
pretty rosy but what do 10+ wins mean when they are against the likes of UCONN,
Savannah State, UNLV, Middle Tennessee, etc? And another bowl win!!!! AAC,
where is that, who is that and what will it mean if anything?...beat the sucky
teams, some of the decent ones, lose to the good ones, another typical year.
Miami Beach Bowl against AAC, yawn.
I just don't get why "power conference" fans are so obsessed with
BYU's bowl contracts.Could it be that you're re
desperately trying to asuage the angst of spending every bowl week watching from
the comfort of your couch?
What a great location for BYU to play its bowl game! BYU fans travel better than
any fan base, so it should be a packed house! Although I think this
is the year that BYU gets a playoff spot, which means they would have to break
contract with the Miami Beach Bowl. I'm not the only one that thinks so
either. An Athlon article from last week pretty much says BYU has a shot at a
playoff spot. So excited for that! Go Cougars!
It's laughable how quickly jealous Utah fans flock to an article about
BYU's next bowl game.Miami Beach Bowl > coach potato bowl
311uteI'm sure BYU has an out clause should the Cougars get an
invitation to the championship playoff, unlike the Utes, who will once again
prove just how meaningless being a PAC 12 cellar dweller and watching bowl week
from the comfort of their couch really is.
I just don't get why a powerhouse team like byu with ESPN loving them
can't get a bowl contract with any of the 60+ power conference schools?
@CalebThat would be fun to play Utah in a bowl game, but first they
have to become eligible. You might be asking for too much.
And the Utes will be playing in the same bowl game they have graced over the
last few years…
"The Miami Beach Bowl will match an American Athletic Conference team
against an opponent from either Conference USA, the Sun Belt Conference or the
Mid-American Conference."Yeah, that seems about right. byu has
to maintain consistency with their pathetically weak schedule this year. Best of
luck to the cougs, although they probably won't be needing it.
BYU's bowl locations since going Independent - Dallas, San Diego, San
Francisco, Miami.Utah's bowl locations since joining the PAC -
El PasoNeed we say more?
that is a fun location. But it would have been cool to have a chance to play
the Utes in a bowl game.
b12Why do U spend bowl week sitting on the couch whining about where
BYU is playing their bowl game?
BYU is continuing to distance itself from the Power 5 by agreeing to play an AAC
team in this years Miami Bowl.
Why don't you guys set up a bowl contract with the Big 12 or the Big 10 or
the ACC or the SEC?
Sounds fun.We all knew it was only a matter of time before
BYU's next bowl game was announced.
Game against an ACC opponent?That might be good.Oh wait,
AAC, not ACC.So 1 loss and byu only has to look forward to an AAC
opponent?Couldn't ESPN get you a bowl game against any of 60+
possible power conference teams?Nope.