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  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    April 30, 2014 2:27 p.m.

    Mike Richards 2nd post on 4/25...

    "Words have meaning.... It's easy to throw around the wrong word, isn't it?"

    Lets hear it for semantics. Much like your perception of the Constitution.

    I don't know that the GOP is entirely to blame. Recent conservative populist movements i.e. the religious right (my favorite oxymoron) or the Tea Party are another story.

    The real problem w/ American Politics is there are too many lobbyists, bureaucrats, PAC's, transnational companies, special interests groups, & politicians with Ivy League degrees.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    April 30, 2014 7:00 a.m.

    @There You Go Again 7:33 a.m. April 28, 2014

    Resurrect Ronald Reagan.

    -------------------------

    He couldn't make it through a Republican primary season. Why? He's not far-right enough. His policies and politics would make him a RINO in their eyes. Same thing for Barry Goldwater ("Mr. Conservative" who defined and established the conservative movement and the far right edge of the political spectrum in the 1960s).

    Thanks to the hijacking of the Republican Party to the far right in the 1990s, true conservatives are now considered moderate, mainstream Republicans. It's time for true conservatives to take back the property from the self-called "conservatives" who, in truth, are anything but.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    April 28, 2014 10:57 p.m.

    This has to be one of the silliest letters I have seen.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    April 28, 2014 8:33 p.m.

    ugottabkidn:
    "wrz, you didn't quote the entire 2nd Amendment..."

    Is it your position that there must exist a well regulated militia for anyone to keep and bear arms? In which case no one can own a gun because there does not exist a militia. Unless you're counting a National Guard as a militia... which it isn't.

    "Even your man Scalia has stated there is no unconditional rights (witnessed him saying it myself)."

    What Scalia says on his own hook is meaningless, unless he's talking for SCOTUS. Which he wasn't.

    Schnee:
    "So you think all the other background checks that occur are unconstitutional too?"

    There is nothing in the Constitution about background checks. In fact, it says 'will not be infringed.' What does 'will not be infringed' mean to you?

    "Should anyone at all be able to have guns no matter what?"

    That's what it says... 'shall not be infringed.' If the Congress considers this to be in error, it can amend the Bill of Rights. Which it hasn't.

    "The laws take that (time-on-the-job) into account."

    Tell that to your guy, Obama, who's White House is in violation.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    April 28, 2014 7:26 p.m.

    I don't mind people having an opinion as long as it's Constitutional.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    April 28, 2014 6:51 p.m.

    @ 2 bits, procuradorfiscal

    You might consider the difficulty of being taken seriously with pals like Cliven Bundy, Russell Pearce and Mike Lee.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 28, 2014 3:36 p.m.

    Define "American Wishes"... because I don't think we all have the same wishes (regardless of what the polls tell you).

    It's common knowledge that you can design a poll to give you any result you want. That's why I don't trust running the country on media polls.

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    IF ObamaCare was so great... why was it designed so that most of it wouldn't go into affect until Obama's SECOND Term...? Was that so he could get re-elected?

    And IF it was so great... why did they design the roll-out plan that required the most painful parts not be implemented until AFTER his second term was over (and some other President would have to suffer the grief)?

    IF it was so great... why not do it all in his first term???

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    If the "Dream Act" was every Americans Dream... why doesn't anybody even dare propose it?

    They didnt vote in Congress... Obama just made it law (by executive order) and bypassed Congress!

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    I think these pages prove that all Americans don't have the same wishes...

    Just because there's a poll that says we want it... doesn't make it law...

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 28, 2014 3:21 p.m.

    Ajax,
    Keep blaming it on the OTHER side... and I'm sure that will fix the problem... or at least make it so YOU can sleep well at night (knowing it's just the other side's problem... not yours)...

    Partisanship can be such a soothing drug... Doesn't solve anything... but makes us feel so much better...

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    April 28, 2014 3:02 p.m.

    Re: "The left has its problems to be sure, but nothing like the purposeful rejection of reason and common decency that we’re facing from the super right."

    You mean the purposeful rejection of reason involved in demanding an end to Big Government profligacy and monetary irresponsibility? Or the rejection of common decency involved in seeking assurances that human unborn will be given the freedom to be born?

    How about the rejection of reason inherent in demanding an immigration and border security policy that actually controls both? Or in demanding an environment policy that doesn't view humans as a noxious exotic species that should be wiped out? Or a foreign/military readiness policy that involves a reasonable level of readiness? Or a public land-use policy that permits actual land use?

    It literally drips with irony that a liberal would invoke bellicosity, inconsideration of the opinions of others, and a Taliban-like rejection of reason as his objections to the American right.

    Those traits have been the exclusive province of the left for more than a century.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    April 28, 2014 1:49 p.m.

    The hard right bellicosity and unwillingness to even consider the possibility of common ground is the bane of Islamic nations, the scourge of Israel and a threat to the U.S. The left has its problems to be sure, but nothing like the purposeful rejection of reason and common decency that we’re facing from the super right.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    April 28, 2014 1:46 p.m.

    lost in DC
    West Jordan, UT
    airnaut,

    you mean you are surfing the web on your employer's time?

    1:16 p.m. April 28, 2014

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    Surfing the web - no, absolutely not!
    Reading the Deseret News on my breaks and lunch time - yes.

    And you?
    Are you self or un-employed?

    Pardon me -- I have F-16 parts to fabricate,
    before some Republican off-loads it to Communists in China for Lockheed/Martin...

  • slcjimmy SLC, UT
    April 28, 2014 1:33 p.m.

    Where do all of you backward thinking conservatives get your facts? Wake up! 50% of the American people are not against Obamacare. Even by using a Faux News poll the numbers are clearly in favor. Possibly the Republicans can stop fighting our President regarding nearly everything. Especially what the majority of the people are clearly in favor of. All the kicking and screaming like a 3 year old will not change this.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 28, 2014 12:55 p.m.

    @Robert Nohavec,
    Re: "Please tell me, what I can do?

    For one... you need to quit pretending it's just Republican's fault.

    We didn't get where we are today just because one party doesn't get it. BOTH parties don't get it.

    I've said this a hundred times... Just getting rid of Republicans... won't fix your problem. It's not that simple! And people who pretend it is... are clueless as to the REAL root cause of our problems.

    Hint... Our problem is not just the existence of the other party.... as you've been trained to think by your party-programmers (both sides).

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    Second...
    If you think only Republicans have problems with immigration reform... what happened when President BUSH proposed it... and Congress (including Democrat leadership) refused to even vote on it and it died without a vote???

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    Third...
    If we are going to Govern by polls... why have elected Representatives?

    Just let popularity polls make the rules!

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    And as for that document that says we are a Representative Republic... why bother with that whole old fashioned thing... just allow the President to do whatever the polls tell him the public wants...

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    April 28, 2014 12:37 p.m.

    @wrz
    "Have you read the US Constitution were it says '...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed?'"

    So you think all the other background checks that occur are unconstitutional too? Should anyone at all be able to have guns no matter what?

    "'Equal work' has to be adjusted by time-on-the-job."

    The laws take that into account.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    April 28, 2014 12:34 p.m.

    As long as politicians are beholden to billionaire fundraisers/donors, there's no reason to expect that they will listen to the rest of us (a recent study found essentially 0 correlation to popular opinion and how Congress votes, the only strong correlation was with what the rich want). It's no coincidence at all that Governors Perry and Jindal wrote letters to Congress asking them to ban internet gambling a few days before they flew to Vegas to meet with casino mogul Sheldon Adelson. On the Democratic side (it's not only Republicans), Lieberman, Nelson, and Lincoln opposed the public option while collecting heavy campaign contributions from the health insurance lobby.

    @Fitness Freak
    "They (demos)are trying their best to talk about ANYTHING but Obamacare."

    The Democratic senate candidates in Alaska, Arkansas, and Louisiana are running on it. It's actually the Republicans who are starting to quiet down. Cotton (R-Arkansas) is now quiet about whether he wants to get rid of Arkansas's "private option" medicaid expansion. Even Scott Brown (now running for New Hampshire) whose entire political existance was based on being against Obamacare is now silent on the issue.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    April 28, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    wrz, you didn't quote the entire 2nd Amendment, quit misrepresenting it. Even your man Scalia has stated there is no unconditional rights (witnessed him saying it myself). As for the rest of this pointless banter, since 2010 we have all seen the most unproductive Congress in the nation's history. Since Boehner and Co have vowed to obstruct (public record) even on the day of POTUS's inauguration day then where will history place the responsibility? This coupled with a record number of filibusters history is set. Exit polls on election day 2010 were emphatic that Congress was switched primarily because of high unemployment and the hundreds of thousand jobs that have fled overseas, yet not one single jobs bill has even come up for a vote in the House. Please, be honest.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    April 28, 2014 10:27 a.m.

    But, Robert...

    "(1) favor requiring background checks of prospective purchasers of firearms at gun shows..."

    Have you read the US Constitution were it says '...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed?'

    "2) favor giving women equal compensation for equal work..."

    'Equal work' has to be adjusted by time-on-the-job. On balance women have less time on the job because they take time off the job to have and raise families. Men don't.

    "(3) favor requiring health plans to cover birth control costs..."

    For some religions birth control, including abortion, is against their religion and thus, a violation of the US Constitution's 1st Amendment.

    "(4) favor allowing illegal immigrants to stay in the US and apply for citizenship."

    Giving some illegal immigrants a leg up for citizenship is against the US Constitution's 14th Amendment which requires 'due process' and 'equal protection under the law.' All who wish citizenship must obey immigration laws including filling out the appropriate applications and getting in line.

    Seems your beloved Democrats are out in left field on your issues... and many more.

  • OneWifeOnly San Diego, CA
    April 28, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    "How can I help America return to a government of the people, by the people, and for the people? Please tell me, what I can do?"

    Vote. Encourage your neighbors to vote.

    SCOTUS has ruled that Corporations are People, Money is Speech, And they are getting ready to sanction campaign lies. The people have the ability to fight back through the election polls because Corporations can not vote. Money can not vote. Only People can vote.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    April 28, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah
    re: airnaut,

    How many people in the DOD (you know, the department of the government that YOU work for) lobby Congress to keep YOUR job in Utah?

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    1. Nobody from the DoD "lobby's" Congress -- it's usually Congress begging the USAF to keep HillAFB open.
    Orrin Hatch has scared voters for 42 year and made a "career" out of it.

    2. My job in one of the few authorized in Section 1, Artilce 8 of the Constitution -- so why are YOU attacking me?

    3. Bribery is an act of giving money or gift giving that alters the behavior of the recipient.
    Giving $100's Millions in un-limited campaign contributions is "bribery", NOT Free Speech -- plain and simple.

    4. You get mad about Government spending, well here's one for you ---
    The USAF doesn't really want a $1 Trillion F-35, but Lockheed/Martin managed to lobby Congress to buy it for them.
    YOU blame the DoD and the Government,
    I blame who is really responsible -- Defense Contractor -- Lockheed/Martin.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    April 28, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    What we are seeing here are more and more attempts by demos. to deflect from the issue of Obamacare which WILL result in many demos. losing their coveted elected positions in 2014. They (demos)are trying their best to talk about ANYTHING but Obamacare.

    Notice the author forgot to include the demographic that reflects the fact that over 50% DON'T WANT Obamacare.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    April 28, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    Maybe you should move to Canada or Mexico, where there are no Republicans, and your healthcare will be free and plentiful, and illegal, undocumented entry into these respective countries is encouraged and welcomed! Or maybe not?

  • Thinkin\' Man Rexburg, ID
    April 28, 2014 8:46 a.m.

    Show me polls from unbiased sources first, and then I might listen.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    April 28, 2014 8:33 a.m.

    Robert,
    Let’s look at the issues you raise and where you falsely try to put the blame

    Equal compensation for equal work – laws are already on the books, this is just a boogeyman dems are trying to create to deflect attention from their failed policies. Why has BO NOT been enforcing those laws already on the books? Maybe if they spent less time persecuting their political opponents and enforcing laws ALREADY ON THE BOOKS, there would not be an issue.

    Favoring requiring birth control in health plans – there’s a little thing called the bill of rights, giving protections to people of conscience. Even IF the poll is correct, it CANNOT override the 1st amendment.

    Illegal immigrants and residency – Repubs HAVE been willing to talk about this, but dems REFUSE to go along with a secure border. Without a secure border, no other fix works.

    No, when properly viewed, fault for the problems you cite lie at the feet of the dems.

    And ignoring the will of the people? You mean how the dems rammed Obamacare through when the majority of the population OPPOSED it?

    Ranch,
    Playing the race card shows the weakness of your position.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    April 28, 2014 8:25 a.m.

    re: airnaut,

    How many people in the DOD (you know, the department of the government that YOU work for) lobby Congress to keep YOUR job in Utah? Is lobbying for the DOD "bribing" people in Congress? What's the difference between you and your peers twisting the arms of Congress and me and my peers asking them to do something? The difference is that it's YOUR job and because it's YOUR job, it's important to YOU. Why did Hatch work so hard to get the NSA complex built in Bluffdale? Was that the "bribery" that you're talking about?

    Words have meaning. When you use "bribery" instead of "free speech", isn't that slander, or does the meaning of a word depend on who uses that word? If the Supreme Court rules against your wishes, have those Justices been "bribed"? I wonder what they would say about that if you had to defend yourself before them? Would you rely on "free speech" when they discussed the word "treason" with you? It's easy to throw around the wrong word, isn't it?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    April 28, 2014 8:16 a.m.

    Re: "How can I help America return to a government of the people, by the people, and for the people?"

    Step one -- stop listening to disingenuous liberal bleating about what real people want.

    Exactly none of your assertions about what Americans really want is actually true. Those are just liberal talking points that seem to them to resonate -- but only in the liberal echo chambers.

    Those that purposely exclude input from real people.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    April 28, 2014 8:10 a.m.

    Mountanman
    Victor, ID
    Robert. From what polls are you getting your information? I could find no poll suggesting what you claim. But I did find several polls about Obamacare and Obama's approval that will not make you happy.

    7:08 a.m. April 28, 2014

    [Holy Cow Mountanman -- the DN had it Hyper-linked in the article FOR you -- it don't get any easier than that]

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    Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah
    Does the letter writer think that he has the right to impose rules and regulations that are expressly forbidden by the Constitution?

    [Please show us where in the Constitution that open and unlimited bribery of our political representatives is Consitutional.

    Because as I read it in Section 4 -- Bribery IS an impeachable offense under high crimes and misdomeanors.

    And DON'T try to tell me that politicians are taking in 110's of millions of dollars with NO strings attached.

    No business man worth his salt invests money is something and does not expecting something of equal or greater value in return.]

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    April 28, 2014 8:04 a.m.

    It is the Tea party radicals. The people that support Bundy from Bunkerville.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    April 28, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    Suggestions 1, 3, and 4 would be against the law, even against the constitution. Quoting liberals, you can't just vote to violate the constitutional rights of others.

    Then there is the equal pay issue. It is a non-issue. Currently women in the same job as men make 7% MORE than than the men. It is only when you factor in the many women in unskilled jobs that there is a gap. Folks, you have to do your research on every claim your beloved Obama makes. Haven't you learned this yet?

  • prelax Murray, UT
    April 28, 2014 7:54 a.m.

    NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll mid March asked respondents whether they would be more or less likely to vote for a candidate who "supports a pathway to citizenship for undocumented.". Forty-two percent of those surveyed, said they would be "less likely," while thirty-six percent said they would be "more likely" to support a candidate who supports amnesty.

    ABC News-Washington Post poll last week that found that 39% of registered voters were less likely to vote for a candidate who supports amnesty. That poll found that only 27% of registered voters were more likely to vote for candidates who support amnesty.

    Big business lobbyists are arguing that the Republicans need to pass amnesty, or get voted out. It's just the opposite.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    April 28, 2014 7:34 a.m.

    Does the letter writer think that he has the right to impose rules and regulations that are expressly forbidden by the Constitution? Who gave him that power? We have a contract between government and the people. Government cannot impose firearm laws - period. They cannot regulate the number of rounds that a firearm's magazine holds - period. They cannot require permits to use firearms - period.

    They cannot censor what we say - period.

    They cannot dictate religious doctrines - period.

    They cannot search our email or listen to our phone calls unless a judge has authorized it based on probable cause - period.

    They cannot seize our stock or bonds without paying for those stocks or bonds - period.

    They cannot tax us for anything not listed in Article 1, Section 8 - period.

    They cannot legislate on the federal level unless we have preauthorized that duty - period.

    The letter writer obviously doesn't believe the words written in the Constitution. He blames the Republicans. Perhaps he should blame himself.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    April 28, 2014 7:33 a.m.

    Resurrect Ronald Reagan.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    April 28, 2014 7:29 a.m.

    53% think neither party represents the American people, both parties have a credibility gap (Rasmussen reports). Most major media believe that Obama will hurt the Democrats in 2014.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 28, 2014 7:10 a.m.

    "Why? Must they act only to satisfy their corporate donors? Are we no longer a functioning democracy and instead really an oligarchy primarily serving the desires of the wealthy?"

    Yes.

  • Mountanman Victor, ID
    April 28, 2014 7:08 a.m.

    Robert. From what polls are you getting your information? I could find no poll suggesting what you claim. But I did find several polls about Obamacare and Obama's approval that will not make you happy.

  • ohiowhit New Albany, OH
    April 28, 2014 7:03 a.m.

    I think you're way off-base laying blame on Republicans. The same things are being said about Democrats regarding these, and many other issues, all led by a President who has no regard for the Constitution, the people's wishes or even the laws of the land.

    Without a responsive, unbiased media, we're helpless save for elections... and here again, consistent voter fraud is a hallmark of the Democratic party.

    In my experience, there are receptive, fair politicians in both parties who will at least tell you why they oppose or support what you want. Write to your Senator and Representative and get their reasoning straight from their office. I've found almost without exception that what they tell me is either different, or much more clear than what the media is saying.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    April 28, 2014 6:57 a.m.

    Answers to your questions:

    1) There's a black man in the Whitehouse.
    2) He's a democrat.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    April 28, 2014 6:23 a.m.

    Anyone interested in reading about the GOP's extremism and the situation in Congress should read the book written by 2 political scientists who have worked in Washington for over 40 years. The book is titled: "Even Worse than we Thought."

    They had an op-ed in the Washington Post titled: Let's face it, Republicans are the problem.

    Our current state in DC is just despicable. It's almost as if we have a winner take all parliamentary system where the majority party doesn't have to reach across the aisle to govern. Unfortunately, because of the separation of powers, in order to govern one must reach across the aisle.

    Which is why the tea party has made governing impossible.

    Which sadly, is exactly what the anti-government folks like Norquist and Koch bros want. If government is destroyed then corporations are free to gouge, cheat, pollute, enslave, and do whatever they want.

    We have gotta get rid of the tea party and enact serious campaign and ethic reform in Washington.

    Then, we must focus on protecting the American worker, raising taxes to sane levels, enacting serious regulation on the banking industry, and rebuilding our infrastructure.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    April 28, 2014 6:21 a.m.

    Excellent letter.

    The truth is, there's not much we can do because right now even the moral compass of our country, the Supreme Court, believes that bribery is a form of free speech. How perverse is that? All 5 of the 9 SC judges believe that bribery is free speech and all 5 are Republican.

    The solution?

    We need to vote the Republicans out and elect Democrats. We need to hold Democrats to the fire to fulfill our wishes.

    To be continued...

  • The Greatest Statist Layton, UT
    April 28, 2014 6:11 a.m.

    "How can I help America return to a government of the people, by the people, and for the people? Please tell me, what I can do?"

    If you really want a return to government "of the people" stop seeing everything through a party lens. That- more than the claims we're about to read in the hyper-partisan comments from both sides in response to your letter - would return us to a government "of the people".