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Published: Saturday, April 26 2014 7:44 p.m. MDT

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Candied Ginger
Brooklyn, OH

cjb
"In asking for adoption by gay couples, advocates of gay marriage are asking too much."

Why?

In many places gay and lesbian couples have been adopting and raising children for many years, including Ohio.

Same-sex marriage will mean that we have the same protection for our family as any other married couple - right now, our family is without those legal protections and benefits.

So why is it too much?

Avenue
Vernal, UT

@ Candied Ginger
"So why is it too much?"
It is too much because all children rightfully deserve a mother and a father. Depriving children of this is immoral, selfish, and evil. It is an act of barbarism to keep children from the traditional family structure that they need.

koseighty
The Shire, UT

@ Candied Ginger

I, for one, would like to congratulate you, your wife, and your family. You are inspirational and have my profound respect. Every child deserves to be part of such a loving family.

BJMoose
Syracuse, UT

To Candied Ginger: You and your wife have my profound admiration. Not only have you enriched the lives of two children, you have also enriched your lives. A win win situation.

To Avenue: "@ Candied Ginger It is too much because all children rightfully deserve a mother and a father. Depriving children of this is immoral, selfish, and evil. It is an act of barbarism to keep children from the traditional family structure that they need."
To say I disagree with your position in your response to Candied Ginger would be an understatement. Apparently you would rather see their two children remain in foster and/or state care than being adopted by Ginger and her wife.
"It is an act of barbarism to keep children from the family structure that they need." I removed one word to make your statement correct.

Candied Ginger
Brooklyn, OH

Avenue
"It is an act of barbarism to keep children from the traditional family structure that they need."

Last comment, clear and brief.

The state of Utah has nearly 3,000 kids in foster care in the state.

Children over the age of 7, or from minority groups, or with medical needs, or with behavior problems have a near zero chance of adoption. They stay in the system to age 18 - that is barbaric.

When we investigated adopting we wanted a healthy newborn. The social workers told us about the kids who were unlikely to ever have a family.

Our needs and ego about the perfect child came way behind the needs of real children who need real homes.

Both our children had a mother and father who abused and abandoned them and no other "mother-father" couples wanted them.

Keeping children in the system is barbaric. The fact special-needs kids are virtually unadoptable is barbaric. Trying to keep children from loving couples is barbaric.

How many children who would otherwise grow up without loving parents or stability have you adopted?

Ranch
Here, UT

@Cats;

Children have a right to a loving family, regardless of the genders of the parents, but anti-lgbt people like you dont' want them to have the same benefits your own children enjoy; what utter selfishness on your part.

@Riverton Cougar;

The only thing that diminishes the "sanctity of marriage" is people who would deny it to others.

@higv;

"Voter approved initiatives" can't violate the Federal Consistution. You don't get to vote on other people's rights.

@El Chango Supremo;

Then outlaw divorce and death.

@USAlover;

Did you marry for love or just to "beget children"? (I smell some hypocrisy).

@gwtchd;

The state is "immoral" trying to purposefully harm others.

@Avenue;

You're saying kids would be better off in foster care?

Daedalus, Stephen
ARVADA, CO

@Candied Ginger: I'll add to the voices expressing admiration and respect for the family you have created, and the choice you and your wife made to adopt older children with special needs. They are very fortunate to have parents who make this sort of choice, as with all parenting, there will be other tough-vs-easy choices in the future, and they have assurance that you won't be tempted to merely default to the easiest path.

And I'm impressed with your measured response to the inflammatory comment from @Avenue. We can only hope that he/she never has the misfortune to learn what the words "evil" and "barbarism" really mean.

P.S. Way to represent Unitarian-Universalism! My children have benefited greatly from UU and its supportive/tolerant faith community.

suzyk#1
Mount Pleasant, UT

To: rad3 - it you feel so embarrassed about living in Utah then maybe you should move somewhere else where you will be happy. That's what most people do.

Ranch
Here, UT

@suzyk#1;

Wouldn't it be more Christian to make all people feel welcome instead of just telling them "if you don't like it leave"?

Utah IS an embarassment. Utah's leaders are going to go down in history right alongside the George Wallaces and Archie Bunkers as hateful bigots. Is that the legacy you want attached to your church (to which these people belong).

davidmpark
Salt Lake City, UT

In 1890, the Feds forced our Great-Great-Great-Grandparents to adopt a state constitution pretty much at gunpoint. In our day, we made changes to said constitution to further our own lives, and the feds come in again and force us again to their standards and will. At what point is this OUR state constitution?! I agree with the AG; we voted on this amendment and we should decide our own fates. I'm really getting tired of the Feds dictating our lives. We are a state of the people, by the people, and for the people. Not for the whims of the feds nor of their donors.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@davidmpark;

This is our state too. You don't have the right to vote on the rights of other Americans. WE are ALSO "the people" every bit as much as you are. It's time for you to stop your bigotry and accept that all Americans should be treated equally.

Avenue
Vernal, UT

@RanchHand
In Utah, all Americans are treated equally. All citizens can marry, as long as the marriage is within the bounds the law has set. Amendment 3 is 100% constitutional.

To everyone else:
"...God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet"(Romans 1:26-27)

For this reason I cannot support homosexual families. Homosexuality is an unnatural desire.

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