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Published: Saturday, April 26 2014 7:44 p.m. MDT

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MoNoMo
Fair Oaks, CA

Riverton Cougar,

How does my legal "gay marriage" diminish yours in any way?

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

@Riverton Cougar 9:14 a.m. April 27, 2014
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People are trying to change the definition of marriage to include homosexual couples, but they don't realize that doing so diminishes the sanctity of marriage. It is a sign of moral decay and the consequences will follow.

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I am a woman in her 60s. My husband I will be married 45 years in September (35 of them under the seal of the Temple). The sanctity of our marriage, or any marriage, will not be diminished in any way if same sex couples are allowed to marry. In fact, marriage will not be affected in any way. What affects marriage and its sanctity is the actions of the people who enter into it (Brittany Spears, any one?), and nothing else.

In fact, encouraging people whose sexual and affectional affinity is for same-sex unions to enter into legal, exclusive unions would enhance morality, not be a detriment to it. And that would work to stabilize society.

The definition of marriage is the legal union of two people who are not related. Allowing same sex marriages would not change that at all.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

RE: Cats " Unfortunately, the pro gay marriage people think this should all be about their own emotional desires and not about the welfare and needs of children. "

Are you saying the "pro gay marriage people" have no regard for children in these actions? I very much disagree.

EstoPerpetua
Holden, MA

@Riverton Cougar
The word marriage is also used to define other mergers such as, the marriage of two businesses, the marriage of two colleges, the marriage of two churches. This is a civil issue, not a moral issue or a religious issue. This is the 21st century and through communications and education equality will prevail and Utah will join the states that practice democracy.

Really???
Kearns, UT

I agree that ideally children do best with a mother and a father in the home, but that is not reality. Some of us are gay, and it's not fair to children or potential spouses of the opposite gender to pretend to be anything other than who we are.

According to many of you, I only have two options for my life:

1. Marry a woman and do my best to make that look like a healthy, fulfilling partnership. Unfortunately, more often than not, these relationships fail, and brings heartache and anger to the spouses and children of those families.

2. Life alone for the rest of my life. This is the sad advice that I have received from my church leaders over the years. Just imagine how unsatisfying a life like that could be. Sure, I take advantage of opportunities to serve in my community, and it makes a difference. But how many of you live to enjoy the company and successes within your own family?

El Chango Supremo
Rexburg, ID

Gay Partnerships do not produce children.

Children deserve a Loving Mother AND Father.

Allowing SSM will not protect children in any way, but instead will result in an increase of children being adopted to Same Sex couples which will result in that child being deprived of a Mother or a Father.

All Children deserve equality.... to be raised in a home with a mother & father.

koseighty
The Shire, UT

Basically, Utah is "pro-family" and they don't care how many families have to be ripped apart to prove it.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

Red Corvette: "We all know what the final outcome will be."

Here's some guesses... polygamy, marrying your brother, sister, aunt, uncle, cat, dog, and possibly all your neighbors... everybody/everything you love.

Esquire: "You can't have different classes of marriage without violating the Constitution."

Unfortunately, what you say is probably true. See above for examples that will soon come to fruition with the advent of SSM. Thanks, SSM proponents for ruining what used to be a civilized society.

Robert Johnson: "Marriage equality will be the law of the land very soon."

Marriage equality is already here... you can marry whom you will with several caveats such as: no more than one person ata time, no children, no siblings, no close relatives, no parent, no same gender, etc.

However, if SSM is legalized and all other combinations are not, marriage discrimination will become the law of the land. Good heavens!

Eliyahu: "It's sad that the AG is so desperate to keep children from having a stable two-parent home."

You don't need marriage to have a stable two-parent home. You need love and commitment, not a piece of paper.

Meckofahess
Salt Lake City, UT

@CATS

As you wisely say, children have a right to a mother and a father. The Traditional home provide the best environment for rearing children. That is the family structure we should be promoting which furthers the best interest of children and of society in general. Your argument makes total sense - it has for hundreds of years!

USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

Marriage is not couple centric, it's children centric. Allow gay people civil unions and all their protections. As for children, they have a right to a mother and a father.

If that upsets you, settle it with Him.

Candied Ginger
Brooklyn, OH

El Chango Supremo
"Allowing SSM will not protect children in any way, but instead will result in an increase of children being adopted to Same Sex couples which will result in that child being deprived of a Mother or a Father."
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My partner - my wife - and I adopted a girl who had been in the foster care system for several years. Her health problems were not getting consistent attention, her emotional needs were getting worse, she was in special ed classes and had bounced through several foster homes.

She is now mainstreamed in school, her medical condition is mostly stable, she is active in our UU church, in Girl Scouts and other activities.

Our son - we are in the process of adopting him - was badly abused by his biological parents. He has physical and emotional scars. He is not in school yet, but is doing better and should be mainstreamed from the start.

In our local Gay/Lesbian parents social group there are at least a dozen special needs kids who were languishing in the system and now have two loving parents.

How many children have you adopted?

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

@USAlover 2:54 p.m. April 27, 2014

Marriage is not couple centric, it's children centric. Allow gay people civil unions and all their protections. As for children, they have a right to a mother and a father.

If that upsets you, settle it with Him.

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Children are born in some opposite-sex relationships, but not all of them. Children are born in some same-sex relationships, but not all of them. It is not necessary to have children to be married. It is not necessary to be married to have children.

Marriage is intended to last through the lives (temporal and/or eternal) of the parties contracting the marriage. Children are an enhancement to the marriage, but their time living with their parents, and the time their parents are responsible for them, is not intended to last the entirety of the marriage. Parents have the responsibility to raise their children and protect them during childhood, but their responsibility ends when the children become adults. The married couple has responsibility for and to each other a lot longer than that. That makes marriage couple-centric.

yoram yasur
canada, 00

Umm. Yoram Yasur: Very interesting.

gwtchd
Mountain Village, AK

Go Utah!!! Stand up for morality!!!!

mpo
South Jordan, UT

Any single parent, unmarried heterosexual couple, or married/unmarried homosexual couple who genuinely wants to give a child its best shot at life would not try to adopt one.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Riverton Coug: "Marriage equality" is a name liberals and supporters of same-sex marriage use in an effort to paint opponents of same-sex marriage as discriminating against gays."

It's paint your are applying to yourselves, and it's a perfect color match.

koseighty
The Shire, UT

@USAlover
"Marriage is not couple centric, it's children centric."

Except that this has never been the case in Utah. Infertile people are allowed to marry. Postmenopausal women are allowed to marry. Couples with children are allowed to divorce. There is nothing in Utah law that hints that marriages are about children.

"Allow gay people civil unions and all their protections."

Except the kind people of Utah disallowed "civil unions" along with marriage in Amendment 3. If you want to allow civil unions, Amendment 3 must be repealed or overruled.

"As for children, they have a right to a mother and a father."

Such a legal right has never been established. We "allow" single parents, divorced parents, even foster parents where children have no parent at all.

Studies have shown children do best with parent(s) of either gender, of any orientation, who love and care for them. If we truly want what's best for the children, establishing - in law - the families featured in the article (and all others like them), will serve the children best. Those are the simple facts.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

In asking for adoption by gay couples, advocates of gay marriage are asking too much.

BJMoose
Syracuse, UT

To WRZ "We all know what the final outcome will be."Here's some guesses... polygamy, marrying your brother, sister, aunt, uncle, cat, dog, and possibly all your neighbors... everybody/everything you love.
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No where in the story are any of your guesses mentioned. To me they appear to be nothing more than overly speculative thoughts or information not included in the story. It is my understanding that the Deseret News will not approve comments that contain this kind of speculation. Since they allowed your comments to post, obviously they didn't feel that they met this criteria. Therefore I would appreciate your source references for the subject matter you presented and what passages in the story mention or reflect on the conclusions you reached. Thank you.

Candied Ginger
Brooklyn, OH

mpo
"Any single parent, unmarried heterosexual couple, or married/unmarried homosexual couple who genuinely wants to give a child its best shot at life would not try to adopt one."
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My wife and I have adopted one and are adopting another. Both children were in foster care and not doing well. Now, both are doing very well physically and emotionally. They are adjusted and happy.

I suppose there is a possibility that a wonderful hetero couple could have adopted them... but they didn't.

And according to the professionals, they probably would have stayed in foster care.

Instead, they are getting a fantastic start and will have a good life. And they have two moms.

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