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Published: Sunday, April 27 2014 12:05 a.m. MDT

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Kimber
Salt Lake City, UT

To the people that don't want "Obama Care" (the ACA):

If you don't want it (and of course, that means you don't need it, right?) Then don't participate! But for those of us that had been denied or who had it taken from us, we are very grateful for it (and don't consider it "Socialism")and we are getting the healthcare we need now. In this free country, it is your right not to like it, but it is not your right to take it away from us! God Bless America!

bandersen
Saint George, UT

For those of you who think that the Tea Party is a radical fringe element: As a delegate to the state Convention, I witnessed a rousing standing ovation for Mike Lee when he was announced, while Senator Hatch was met with dead silence and a sprinkling of boos. No, the Tea Party is alive and well and if Liberty means anything, it means not accepting Socialism and the Compulsion crowd! Mike Lee is not a dying fringe movement; He represents the Independent, conservative minded American, one that has finally, thank God, said "no" to both Republican and Democratic answers to Societal problems! The best thing about the Tea party is that no one knows who they are and where there leaders are!, something that is inimical to both Republican, Democratic, and the state run media machine! If you can't find them, how do you tear them down, discredit them, and maintain your power? Mia Love may be a Republican star or the real thing, but Mike Lee knows what he is doing and the 4,000 delegates responded in like manner! Utah should be leading the nation with more Mike Lees!!!!!

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Ralph West Jordan: The progressives don't even understand that you can't find something good about an adulterous relationship! They keep wanting to say to those who believe it was wrong in the first place that we need to just compromise our standards so that everyone can feel comfortable about another affair! when the Democrats talk about compromise, they don't realize that there were many on the sidelines that knew something was amiss, but were hesitant to stand down against it for fear of being rejected or ridiculed. The fear is gone and they know it was the fear that has put our country on the verge of collapse. Mike Lee represents those without fear! The establishment Republicans are in trouble because it is they that have joined with the Democrats in ruining our country. The pretense was that they were joining with the Democrats in compromise, when in fact there was no compromise at all or any discussion about two different visions; it was one vision and it is obvious it not only was bad, it represented only the big government version. Real compromise comes from two totally different viewpoints coming together, not one viewpoint getting bigger!

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Hey Banderson -

"I witnessed a rousing standing ovation for Mike Lee when he was announced . . . "

That's eerily reminiscent of the Nuremberg Rallies of the 1930's.

Fortunately most Americans are bright enough to learn from history, and certain events will not be repeated.

The Tea Party will go down in history as just another bizarre Right Wing nationalist movement with a funny name . . . Like the No Nothings of the 19th century America.

Ralph West Jordan
Taylorsville, UT

Re:Banderson
" Real compromise comes from two totally different viewpoints coming together," truer words were never spoken! What party has voted 40 plus times to repeal the ACA instead of working to find a way to improve it, and save your breath if you are going to trot out the "they shuts us out" gag! Where was the compromise there? Who is it that carries the reputation of the "Party of No"? Who led the parade when the government went into shut down, could it have been your hero's Lee and Cruz, where was the compromise there?

4000 tea partiers in Utah cheering Lee after hearing an hour of red meat rhetoric is like bragging about 4000 children cheering Donald Duck as he is throwing lollipops.

Sorry my friend, when you say there is fear out there you are absolutely right. Unfortunately the fear is within the Republican party! The likes of Lee, Rand, Cruz and Love are using it to gut the Republican Party and as sure as happened in 08 and 12, the same will happen in 16 and 20. As one of the great ones said "A house divided cannot stand".

Anti Government
Alpine, UT

The liberal hypocrisy is endless.

What would liberal democrats do if the tables were reversed? Soros would be pouring billions into overturning it and the liberal sheep would be lined up behind him if the republicans had used the same parliamentary stunts and 100% party line vote (that needed every single strong-armed liberal vote via threat and bribe) to get it passed.

There is no good legislation that can't get a single vote from the other party and that goes to both sides.

The ACA act is anything but affordable. My decent 80/20 plan has turned into $4000 out of pocket before I get ANY insurance coverage. Effectively if I don't have catastrophic illness I have no insurance despite the fact I pay $6000 in premiums and $4000 out of pocket. $10000 per year and I get nothing in return.

Who does that sound affordable to? Liberals thats who. It allows me to pay alot in that they get to use for all the other people who can't or don't pay their own way. Translation? Purchased votes.

Liberals spend every waking moment scheming ways to get access to others money. I'm sick of it.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

It seems rather childish of democrats to expect the republicans to fix the mess the democrats made. If the democrats want the ACA fixed, they should do it themselves. After all, they created it themselves.

Owen
Heber City, UT

"Mike Lee knows what he is doing and the 4,000 delegates responded in like manner! Utah should be leading the nation with more Mike Lees!!!!!"

Welcome to the ultra-conservative bubble within the national conservative bubble. The tide has turned. I pray heads don't explode when both bubbles pop during the next two elections and President Clinton ushers in the single-payer plan we should have had to begin with.

Apocalypse will be predicted, but, five years later, it will be as loved and indispensable as Social Security. Which will be fixed by taxing us at Ronald Reagan rates.

ohiowhit
New Albany, OH

It's the majority of American People who don't want Obamacare, not just the GOP. Many leaders from the Democratic Party are also increasingly opposing this bad legislation as they see the negative impact it's having, and the coming fallout. And this even with the strong, very biased push from the national media.

FT
salt lake city, UT

Today's GOP is not going to work to improve the ACA. That's ridiculous. Just as they would not work to imporve Social Security or Medicare. Their goal is to remove the public safety nets in our socieity and return the money to the people.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Two facts that override this entire ACA discussion.

Fact 1) conservatives are not really concerned about providing a health care system where all are covered and all pay.

Fact 2) Conservatives are obsessed with the idea of liberty to the exclusion of other founding principles.

If the ACA has a corrupting principle it is that it is market based. Markets never were and never will be designed to provide universal access to anything. If you promote a market based health insurance system you have to admit to the first fact.

The Declaration of Independence speaks of Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Conservatives act as though Liberty is the catalyst of the other two rather than one leg of a three legged process that requires interaction and choices in order to provide a civil society.

The ACA is just a symbol of ideology where those who actually believe in Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness can be labeled socialists, communist, Marxists etc., and a playground for those who don't believe in the phrase "for all".

annes
albuquerque, NM

Obamacare is becoming more and more popular as its positive effects are felt. Many of our fellow citizens can get health insurance and see their Dr. for the first time in years.

Yet conservatives continue to demand Repeal and Replace. But they never say what they want to replace Obamacare with. I suspect the replacement plan is to restore the former practice of letting the health insurers take peoples' premiums then bounce their claims. If it hasn't happened to you, it can't now, unless Obamacare is repealed without a replacement plan.

Whatever will the gop and conservatives do on voting day 2014 if they can't keep voters riled up with anti-Obamacare propaganda? They won't close the government again or try to take the US government into bankruptcy until after the upcoming election. They are too smart to make that mistake again in the immediate run up to an election. But if you return them to office, just wait for 2015 and beyond. It's not just Obamacare they want to repeal, Medicare, Medicaid and also Social Security are on their chopping block. (See idazut's comment. Rikitiki did you object to Bush's EOs?)

Anti Bush-Obama
Chihuahua, 00

The best way to fight it is by not signing up for it and not filing your tax returns so you won't have to pay the penalty. They can't imprison everybody.

Anti Bush-Obama
Chihuahua, 00

Kimber

"If you don't want it (and of course, that means you don't need it, right?) Then don't participate!"

And don't ask us to pay any fines.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"Yeah, that's why it has a totalitarian, forced participation component"

Do you own a car? Drive it? Buy insurance?

Here is the deal. Because of the law passed under Reagan, everyone gets needed medical care (Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - EMTALA). The government told the medical system they had to treat everyone. What that law passed under Reagan didn't do was provide any funding mechanism to fund these federal mandated and guaranteed services.

So we have an option. If you get rid of ACA, then you should also eliminate EMTALA. You need to repeal Reagan's "totalitarian, forced participation component" from medical providers.

Sound fair?

You can't mandate services without providing a funding mechanism.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"It seems rather childish of democrats to expect the republicans to fix the mess the democrats made. If the democrats want the ACA fixed, they should do it themselves. After all, they created it themselves."

I love it. It is akin to "the other guy ran the boat onto the rocks, why would we bail water"..

A wise manager of mine early in my career said to me once when I had messed something up " I don't care one bit how we got here, all I care is what you are going to do next". This endless finger pointing game of blame solves no problems. What we need is smart people who are more interested in fixing problems rather than standing at a podium pointing fingers of blame.

We had problems with medical care before ACA, and we have problems now. Lets focus of fixing problems rather than political grandstanding.

SG in SLC
Salt Lake City, UT

"For those of you who think that the Tea Party is a radical fringe element: As a delegate to the state Convention, I witnessed a rousing standing ovation for Mike Lee when he was announced" -bandersen

Actually, that is simply evidence that the Caucus/Delegate system is fundamentally flawed (particularly on the GOP side in Utah), because it is not truly representative of the moderate-conservative GOP mainstream. These are the folks who consider anyone not positioned somewhere to the "right" of Rand Paul to be RINOs.

"The best thing about the Tea party is that no one knows who they are and where there leaders are!" -bandersen

Sounds like Gadianton Robbers to me . . .

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "pragmatistferlife" you are partially right, but then totally wrong.

You are correct that "conservatives are not really concerned about providing a health care system where all are covered and all pay." Why should you be forced to pay for my family's health insurance? If I decide to risk my finances by not having insurance, then I should be allowed to risk that. We should also get rid of the mandate that hospitals treat anybody that comes through their doors. They should be required to work out payment plans or be allowed to waive fees for the poor in exchange for tax credits.

The problem that you and your liberal ilk have is that you put liberty and freedom second to the collective. The problem with that thinking is that once you have cut freedom and liberty in favor of the collective, nobody is free.

To "SG in SLC" actually the Gadianton Robbers are alive in the Progressive Democrats and Republicans. The Gadiantons cannot exist where government has little power because they can only exist where government can be corrupted. Hence, small government, little power, and a more difficult thing to corrupt. The Tea Party wants a small government.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The ACA was not intended to succeed... it was intended to make Americans so miserable with the private system we have... that they will BEG the government to step in and save them with what the Democrats have always wanted (but knew the Public didn't want). But they WILL want it IF... they can destroy our private system.

But you really need to give ACA time to work (or fail, which is what it was intended to do).

If you pull the plug too early... people will not be miserable enough and may actually want to KEEP elements of the PRIVATE system.

Real Progressives do not want us to move too early... wait till people are gagging and begging for the antidote... or the ACA will have really failed on ALL fronts...

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It's a calculate risk (to sabotage the system you have so people will beg for the alternative they don't want now). But it looks like it may work...

The one thing that's for sure... there's no going back... We already sunk that ship. Now we need to stick with the life-raft until somebody comes to save us (progressives politicians and government assistance)...

Jimmytheliberal
Salt Lake City, UT

@Procuradorfiscal, @Cats...It always seems to be the same highly intellectual posters refusing to acknowledge basic facts that live inside this closed minded neo conservative bubble where the Earth is still flat and our President was born in Kenya. The ACA is now the law of the land and our President is black. Get over it!

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