This was a good ruling by SCOTUS. Racial Preference, no matter how it is spun,
is noting but blatant racism.If denying someone admission to a
college based on their color is wrong; it is equally wrong to admit someone
based on their color or race. Ditto jobs, or contracts.Affirmative
Action is the ultimate in disrespect and condescension towards minorities.
In other words, we should be free to perpetuate the racial discrimination that
is such an important part of our nation's heritage. Heaven forbid that we
should try to undue the mess we made.
Esquire said:"In other words, we should be free to perpetuate
the racial discrimination that is such an important part of our nation's
heritage. Heaven forbid that we should try to undue the mess we made."Spoken like a true, guilt ridden liberal.Nice try, but
don't push your guilty conscience on the rest of us. Using racism to fight
racism is pure nonsense. Blacks, and other minorities have as much of a chance
to succeed today on their own merits as anyone else. It's Sad Liberals
have such a low view of minorities.
Sorry you don't get it, Sven, with your life of privilege as compared to
African-Americans (slavery), Japanese-Americans (concentration camps) and Native
Americans (genocide and forced relocations). You can't run from our
history as a nation, and it's clear you are oblivious to the effects.
Frederick Douglass, the famous black Abolitionist, once rightly said, "The
American people have always been anxious to know what they shall do with us... I
have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with
us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples
will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are worm-eaten at the
core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! ... And if the
negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a
chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone! If you see him on his way to
school, let him alone, don't disturb him! If you see him going to the
dinner table at a hotel, let him go! If you see him going to the ballot box, let
him alone, don't disturb him! If you see him going into a work-shop, just
let him alone, — your interference is doing him positive injury."I know what he would have said about Affirmative Action attempts...
Esquire said:"Sorry you don't get it, Sven, with your life
of privilege as compared to African-Americans (slavery), Japanese-Americans
(concentration camps) and Native Americans (genocide and forced relocations).
You can't run from our history as a nation, and it's clear you are
oblivious to the effects.”First, you don't know a thing
about me. You have no clue how I grew up, where I grew up, or what privileges
(if any) that I may have had. You are making assumptions about things you know
nothing about.Secondly, no Blacks living today were ever slaves.
Conversely, no white people living today were ever slave owners. I don’t
discriminate or oppress minorities; therefore, I refuse to have liberals confer
their guilt to me.Lastly, it is the Democrat party who has the
history of being bigots in our nation’s history:* Jim Crow
segregation laws were enacted by Democrats* 1964 Civil Rights Act:
Democrat support 61%; Republican support 80%. Interestingly, former Democrat
Senator Robert K Byrd (Former Exalted Cyclops in the KKK) filibustered the 1964
Civil Rights Act, as did Democrat Al Gore Sr.* Oh yes, it was
Liberal icon and Democrat President Roosevelt who locked up Japanese-Americans
If the population has 30% white males then a company or university is supposed
to strive to have 30% white males in it's organization. That's what
affirmative action is. You may think it's something else because
that's what you want to believe.Since white males are becoming
more and more a minority again in this land,as it was for the first billion
years of it's existence, don't cry later you want fair representation
if a Chinese corporation chooses to only hire Asians.
@ Esquire, Yes we do get it! To tell African Americans or any other minority
that they need "preferential treatment" in order to succeed is an insult
to them! Its like telling them they are incapable, because of their race. They
are the ones who should be outraged, not you!
Esquire,Race does not inherently prevent someone from accomplishing
something. My skin color never helped me in math class It didnt help solve physics problems It didnt help me write
English papers. A white kid in a poor neighborhood has the same
disadvantages as a black kid in a poor neighborhood. I don't
feel sorry for black people alive today for past injustices just as I don't
feel sorry for Jews today for past injustices to their ancestors. Racism is racism Dr king and rosa parks would applaud the ending
racism and affirmative action
"If, however, you wish to be rid of this baleful legacy and banish race
preferences once and for all, do what Michigan did."-------------------------------I hope someday there will be enough
people who are so sick and tired of all the ridiculous "isms" used to
manipulate people by duplicitously persuading them to assume various group
identities rather than assume the only one that actually means anything, i.e.,
their own, unique, individual identity as a human being, that this whole issue
will evaporate entirely.The quote by Fredrick Douglass given above
is precisely right.
I wonder if Charles would feel this way about not allowing a proportion number
of "Jews" into Universities or Businesses?
airnaut. So if I fail, its someone else's fault? Where do people become
responsible for themselves in your world?
Maybe after the sixties affirmative action WAS needed for a time, but I think
nowadays, having a black man leading the world's most powerful country, as
well as having many people of various ethnicities occupying high places in
politics, entertainment, sports, legal and medical fields, etc., I think we can
safely say that affirmative action is no longer needed. In fact, as others
mentioned, it may actually now be hurting minorities in that it lowers standards
of achievement and tells them they can't get far without getting special
treatment. Our country, as a whole, has finally moved on.
airnuat,Not allowing Jews?Or discriminating against
another religion to ensure there are proportionate jews, even if those jews
haven't earned it?Ya, I'm pretty sure Charles would be
against not accepting a Catholic even though he/she is more qualified simply
because there aren't many Jews at the school.
Danny I would like to think we have moved on, but in reality, we have moved to
another realm. Instead of having real racism, we have trumped up racism based on
party affiliation. A rancher says something that some people take
offense to, and he is front page crucified because he is a republican.An NBA owner says something that the same people take offense to, and it is
buried only in the sports section and no one mentions he is a big fat democrat.
Well then, the rancher's story belonged in the agriculture
section, if this is about racism. But it isn't. It is about politics and
the best way to wield the liberal cudgel on the conservatives.The DN
was complicit in this smear and unequal reporting.
REALLY! I had thought all of this was behind us.It is clear that we
have to keep safe guarding Affirmative Action because the evil in racis people
will not accept the goodness in color.