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Published: Saturday, April 26 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

All true, Adam Witt.

Some will say here that paying a poverty wage is justifiable if the employee accepts it.

But that is not what the Book of Mormon teaches:

2 Nephi 28:8 "And there shall also be many which shall say: Eat, drink, and be merry; nevertheless, fear God -- e will justify in committing a little sin; yea, lie a little, TAKE THE ADVANTAGE OF ONE BECAUSE OF HIS WORDS, DIG A PIT FOR THY NEIGHBOR; there is no harm in this; and do all these things, for tomorrow we die; and if it so be that we are guilty, God will beat us with a few stripes, and at last we shall be saved in the kingdom of God. Yea, and there shall be many which shall teach after this manner, false and vain and foolish doctrines..."

The problem is that the moral disease of GREED has an iron grip on the hearts of many Utah employers.

higv
Dietrich, ID

Raising minimum wage raises prices and no one is stuck at minimum wage jobs with skill and education can get more than minimum wage jobs.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The phrase "the working poor" shouldn't exist in a country as rich as ours. Our inflation adjusted per-capita GDP is double what it was in 1968, yet our minimum wage is 30% lower. So as the country has become twice as wealthy, workers have gotten a smaller and smaller share.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Historically, everytime the minimum wage has been raised the economy received a substantial bump that has benefitted all. When you have trillions sitting in overseas accounts, CEOs that are making a thousand times more than his employees(and 40% are failures as leaders),and you are going to tell me we can't afford it? Please.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

want more than minimum wage? Make your services worth more than minimum wage. That simple.

According to the BLS and DOL, of the 9 states and DC with the highest unemployment rate, 8 have higher minimum wages laws. Of the 10 states with the lowest unemployment rates, only 1 has a higher minimum wage than the federal rate. and guess what? according to the BLS, the average weekly wage in ND with the federal minimum wage is HIGHER than in Ohio with a higher minimum wage law.

Want higher wages for the poorest of us? dump the anti-business POTUS and his party and elect people who want the ECONOMY and PRIVATE ENTERPRISE to succeed, not someone who thinks the one and only answer to everything is more government intervention.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

If the minimum wage gets bumped up do I then get an equal bump because I make much more than the current minimum wage? By your standards, I should. I want a wage that helps me to live better. Since the gubment wants that minimum wage higher, they should mandate that my wage goes up an equal amount.

The minimum wage is nothing more than a training wage. If you don't like what an employer pays, seek employment elsewhere. Or, upgrade your education/vocation so you can make more. The minimum wage is a stepping stone. If people vote with their feet, CEO's have to raise the starting pay. The government should keep their noses out of it.

red state pride
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Let's flip this around Adam. What right do you have to tell someone who wants to work for 7 dollars an hour that they aren't allowed to? Where do you get that moral authority? Do you want to make sure no unskilled teenager ever gets a job again and never learns any work ethic or responsibility?
Also, in an allegedly free country what right does the Government have to dictate wages anyway? I'm kind of tired of hearing this "land of the free" nonsense when half the country votes for people who want to control everyone's lives from cradle to grave.

Nate
Pleasant Grove, UT

Suppose you are an employer, and you provide a job that costs you $8/hr to pay an employee to do, but it would cost you $9/hr to run a machine to do it.

If it suddenly costs you $10/hr to pay the employee, where do you think that job will go?

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Where does money come from? Does the "government" have a huge "stash" hidden somewhere. I believe that all money is generated by the people. If an automatic raise is given, that "raise" comes from the pockets of you and me. It doesn't come from some "rich guy". He already knows how to make a profit and he's not going to let someone from Chicago who has never held a real job in his entire life tell him how to pay his people. If that "very rich guy" from Chicago flies around the country telling us that WE need to sacrifice while he enjoys the life of a king, those other rich guys will just increase the price that you and I pay for everything.

The only people who "win" are the people in the government. They won't adjust taxes just because they'll received a "windfall" from higher wages.

It's time to wake up and demand that government index
all wages increases.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

lost in DC

"want more than minimum wage? Make your services worth more than minimum wage. That simple."

No, it is NOT that simple. Your statement implies that everyone gets paid just exactly what he or she deserves -- no more nor less -- as though employer greed does not exist, oppression of the hireling in his wages does not exist, etc. An utter falsehood.

Also utterly false is the implied cause-effect relationship between lower minimum wage and higher actual wage. Again it falsely convinces itself that no other factors exist, such as the simple willingness of those ND employers to deal more justly with their neighbor than do others.

Flashback

"The minimum wage is nothing more than a training wage."

So says YOU. It is a myth, a falsehood. "The laborer is WORTHY OF HIS HIRE" -- no matter how old or young he is.

"If you don't like what an employer pays, seek employment elsewhere."

You know it doesn't work that way. Unequal bargaining power is one reason why.

Lots of rationalizations on this board for refusing to pay a man what he justly has earned and deserves. Lots of denial of the reality of employer Greed.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

lost in DC

"want more than minimum wage? Make your services worth more than minimum wage. That simple."

No, it is not that simple. It implies that everyone gets paid exactly what they deserve -- that employer greed, and oppression of the hireling in his wages, for example, do not exist, which is false.

And a false cause-effect relationship between lower minimum wage and higher actual wage -- again as though no other factors exist, such as the simple willingness of those ND employers to deal more justly with their neighbor than do others.

Flashback

"The minimum wage is nothing more than a training wage."

So says YOU. It is a myth, an Utter falsehood. The laborer is worthy of his hire.

"If you don't like what an employer pays, seek employment elsewhere."

You know it doesn't work that way. Unequal bargaining power, for one thing.

red state pride

"What right do you have to tell someone who wants to work for 7 dollars an hour that they aren't allowed to?"

Answer: Every right, when it is a matter of an employer "taking the advantage of another because of his words," or of "digging a pit for thy neighbor."

Mark B
Eureka, CA

If a company's top people get annual raises, then its bottom employees should share in the company's good fortune with raises of their own. And they shouldn't have to beg for it, either.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

All of you that are saying, "all you have to do is get more skills..." simply are not recognizing the severity of the circumstances. Things have changed from the 1950's.

A state college runs $10,000 a year just for tuition. A trade school often runs in the range $20,000 plus just to get a $15 an hour limited opportunity job as a mechanic or technician.

When you have no money and your family has no money, it makes those prospects pretty slim when REPUBLICANS are also cutting student aid and loans back as far as they can everywhere. Private loans for trade school are outrageous.

We're talking about people that are working 2 jobs just to keep a roof over their heads and maybe have kids as well and republicans deride these Americans for putting off marriage and a family. Wow. I hope the next life presents a lot of people the opportunity to see what it's like to be poor in a country of vast wealth.

slcdenizen
Murray, UT

@Mike Richards

"Does the "government" have a huge "stash" hidden somewhere."

Your rhetorical statement reflects obliviousness to how our banking system works. The government literally prints our money. There are actual stashes of cash that are distributed throughout the economy or withheld for monetary policy purposes. Why don't conservatives generally understand this? Bold proclamations like "government doesn't create wealth" belies a tenuous grasp on how our economy works, and somehow rings true for some. Winners and losers are often, repeat often, not always, a result of exploitative opportunities of the system. For example, if I take advantage for one year of a tax loophole that results in saving one thousand dollars instead of it being taxed away, have I earned that one thousand dollars? No, a shift in government policy or activity resulted in that money remaining in my hands. When this happens on a large scale it produces market failures and needs to be corrected. The minimum wage is one policy to combat market failures. One can attribute low wages to worker ignorance or managerial greed, but the fact remains: current minimum wage is not a living wage.

Wonder
Provo, UT

@Mike Richards -- Obama lives the life of a king? Oh brother. You people are so over the top you might as well be on the moon. How EXACTLY does he live any more like a king than ANY other president in history? Statements like that are just nuts.

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