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Published: Friday, April 25 2014 4:15 p.m. MDT

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On the other hand
Riverdale, MD

I was embarrassed to learn that Bundy is a Mormon. Last I checked, we believe in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

LiberalJimmy
Salt Lake City, UT

"To them federal land is a pretty little tree by a pretty little lake"...Really Mr. Bishop? As a State Representative I suggest a much further investigation of federal lands located in The East prior to any more ignorant comments. As a New York transplant I assure you that federal lands to those living back East means private property, no trespassing. We most certainly will not align ourselves with any type of militia or individuals such as Mr. Bundy who has stated many times that he does not recognize the existence of our federal government.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Yes, it is indicative of a bigger problem. It's called ultra conservatism.

Meme1
Provo, UT

As far as I've been reading, Bundy paid all of the fees until BLM didn't do their part on their deal. So Bundy stopped paying BLM and tried to pay other government agencies in order to try to honor his own part on the deal - not that I agree that stopping the payments was a good thing either. Those agencies didn't accept the money, so BLM tried to take the land from Bundy because of the $1 M that he didn't pay, and with the excuse that they needed to protect the desert tortoise which, in turn, benefit from cow dung. BLM claimed they needed funding in order to protect the tortoise, but they spent $3 M so that they could get the $1 M from Bundy. Also, in the process of driving the cattle out of Bundy's ranch, the BLM shot cows that weren't able to move fast or that couldn't move anymore due to exhaustion. There is plenty of information about this out there. To me, there's something that really stinks in this whole ordeal.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@LiberalJimmy"
"We most certainly will not align ourselves with any type of militia or individuals such as Mr. Bundy who has stated many times that he does not recognize the existence of our federal government."

Re militias, try reading the 2nd Amendment where they are authorized.

Bundy is not denying the existence of the Federal government. All he's saying is that the land he's on should not be Federal Government land and if he owes any money to anyone it would be to the State of Nevada.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

Bundy is symptomatic of a larger problem for the GOP...

a problem that has nothing to do with managing federal lands.

annes
albuquerque, NM

@wrz

you say:"Bundy is not denying the existence of the Federal government. All he's saying is that the land he's on should not be Federal Government land and if he owes any money to anyone it would be to the State of Nevada."

So he's paid his grazing fees to Nevada? I had not heard that. I did hear that the State of Nevada wants $12 per head for grazing fees, while the feds just want $1 per head. So that's great, he's paid his fees x 12. You should let the media know.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

The GOP is already looking for the next radical rancher.

buhler@stratanet.com
Vernal, UT

If the state of Nevada controlled the grazing permits, would Bundy pay his fees. I realize that he has paid some of his fees to Clark county, but this man seems to invent law in order to resolve his problem. Knowing the law (The Taylor Grazing Act) which is the basis for Grazing on Federal lands. The Grazing fees are minimal and they have been since the 1930's. This guy is a law breaker and he should be prosecuted. This manner should have been taken care of 20 years ago and should not have been allowed to linger this long. This is why the BLM is partially at fault. Personally it is great to have federal lands, that we can enjoy. I don't think that it is always the best interest of the citizens of the US to have the State control the lands. States can initiate taxes and fees that are unjustified.
To summarize Mr. Bundy he is a law breaker and should get his just dues in a court of law. Now not 20 years from now. The Federal Marshals should step in and arrest this man and than he should be tried in a court of law.

Mainly Me
Werribee, 00

@one old man

"Yes, it is indicative of a bigger problem. It's called ultra conservatism."

Wrong. It's called fighting for true justice. The goobermint is a hydra out of control and the only thing that will stop it is to burn off the heads as they are cut.

LiberalJimmy
Salt Lake City, UT

@wrz..."Try reading the 2nd Amendment where they are authorized"...Funny because I have extremely fond memories of many late nights of New Haven, Connecticut (Yale University) which turned into many early mornings that I was up studying and researching not only the 2nd Amendment but all of them. Since we both possess Ivy League Law Degrees I assume you would agree that there are many interpretations of the 2nd Amendment. What exactly is your interpretation? How about intention regarding the time in which it was written? How does it apply in today's society? Now, as far as Mr. Bundy is concerned I believe his latest comments regarding race say it all. In closing, a simplistic Google search reveals that he did in fact deny the existence of the federal government.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

"What we saw in Bunkerville is a symptom of the federal government having far too much control of the land in Nevada.”

WRONG. What we saw in Bunkerville is a symptom of the anti-American, anti-government mentality that has insinuated itself throughout Right Wing America. It is a symptom of “Conservative” confusion.

"’Because the federal government laid a terrible foundation, whatever house you build on it is going to be bad,’ Ivory said."

Now THAT is a telling quote. The foundation of the Federal Government is what? The “terrible foundation” of the Federal Government is the US Constitution. Thank you Mr Ivory for coming clean on your true feelings.

All too many pretentious “Conservatives” who claim to be patriots and Constitutionalists are neither patriots nor defenders of the Constitution.

Too many are confused government-hating Right Wingers who, if they get their way, will subvert the Constitution and cause considerably more harm to this nation then they already have.

“We the People of the United States” own that federal land, not the states, and not the Republicans who seek to undermine national authority.

iron&clay
RIVERTON, UT

The mentality expressed that 'the people own the land' is simply a propaganda ruse used by the elite who want to control everything in the United States.

That is the same mentality that put North Korea's elite ruling class into power.

That is the same mentality that put Mao's elite ruling class into power.

That is the same mentality that put Stalin's elite ruling class into power.

Etc.

Onion Daze
Payson, UT

Return the BLM land in question to its proper owners--the Moapa Indians.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Hey Iron and Clay -

The Constitution of the States starts out with a words whose meaning is fairly apparent. At least that's what I thought.

In your mind, what exactly does "We the People of the United States" mean?

Are you suggesting the founders had some nefarious intent in mind when they wrote those words?

Were they just PRETENDING to create a fair and workable document that would be the template for the Federal Government?

Were the Founders Communists in the mold of Mao, Stalin, and the Supreme Leaders of North Korea?

Please expound upon your version of history.

I'm ready to learn.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

He is symptomatic of a very large problem indeed. That being the number of people out here who benefit immensely from government largesse, or even steal it in his case, yet at their core despise government openly and encourage its' destruction. The conundrum of ultra conservatism.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@wrz
The issue back in the late 1700s was states being concerned that the federal gov't would disarm their militias. That's more like state National Guard units, not ragtag groups of misfits.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Is true that the BLM is required by law (1976) to turn over all of its land to the states? If so why don't the states just take the BLM to court and then this kind of thing won't happen anymore.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Mainly Me: "It's called fighting for true justice. The goobermint is a hydra out of control and the only thing that will stop it is to burn off the heads as they are cut."

This is the fascinating thing about today's far right. It's now impossible to know if what they're saying is some kind of sly, deeply satirical type of performance art, or if they actually mean it.

Cliven "I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro" Bundy is in fact a brazen welfare cheat. He not only uses deeply subsidized federal lands to graze his cattle, he doesn't even pay the deeply subsidized fees for them, which other ranchers somehow manage to do without feeling abused by their own government.

Bundy's jaw-dropping comments about "Negros" being better off as slaves instead of being "subsidized" is, as a heavily subsidized welfare fraud himself, bizarre in the extreme.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

The western land that state-based opportunists like Ivory and anti-government extremists like Bundy seem to think belongs to them was acquired by the US through warfare between the United States and Mexico.

What percentage of Americans will go along with the idea of simply giving away these resources?

The citizens of the United States are the owners, and they - in total - should decide if and how this land should be transferred to the states, or to the highest bidder, or back to the Native American tribes who were here before Mexico claimed the land.

Utah and other western states are discarding the democratic approach they make in the case of marriage laws to flip land their way via unelected judges.

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