Published: Thursday, April 24 2014 2:00 p.m. MDT
The ultimate liberal mantra: Everyone who makes more than me needs to have what
they have stolen and given to me. Marxists: No one every dreams
about being the janitor in the New World Order, comrade. They are all part of
the ruling class. Who, pray tell, is going to be the janitors in this brave
communist world that Piketty's peddling? Him? Somehow, I doubt that he is
willing to have his wealth confiscated and be put to work scrubbing toilets.
That's for some other chump.
Can someone please explain to me why average earning Americans are the fierce
defenders of the super rich? Why aren't middle class Americans more
concerned about what is best for middle class Americans? It's easy to paint
a picture of any one who dislikes such huge inequality as Communists but man, if
you read your scriptures, it's pretty clear God doesn't approve of
I think about how many Fed,State and local jobs. The people that count on the
support and how many who work in the privet sector, I can tell that the tower of
babel will fall.
"If a person gains more knowledge and intelligence in this life through his
diligence and obedience … , he will have so much the advantage in the
world to come” (D&C 130:19).I think the concern about
jumping into a relationship with all Americans so that we all earn equal
amounts, is that I don't trust most Americans. There are way too many
freeloaders for that to work out well for us at the present time. Having the
opportunity to make substantial economic advancement helps bring out all sorts
of innovation that might not otherwise happen if we all shared everything
Read Ayn Rand and you will see what will happen. The smart, ambitious, movers
and shakers who are the ones that have the ability to create wealth will just
take their ball and go home. (to their mansions). The average person (who has
depended on the few wealth creators) will be left hanging. In this case the
average person is 99% of us. If capitalism in America is somehow torn down, we
might as well change out the stars and stripes for the hammer and cycle.
@VanceoneIt's clear you've neither read the book nor
understood the general premise. If your politics are driven by
mischaracterizations of groups and ideas, then you must fit in perfectly with
Republicans. You didn't also attend BYU by chance? @DanitePerhaps your question is rhetorical, but I'll nonetheless take a
stab. Accompanying the increasingly busy lives of working Americans is a
marriage between entertainment and news. Hence the attention grabbing headlines
that fill most websites promising groundbreaking information or events. The
result is an uninformed populace unaware of their ignorance, and often times
convinced that they have a firm grasp on the topic of the day. Contributing to
this problem is our school system which breeds confidence in place of humility.
Education ought to shed light on how little one knows about their world, rather
than reinforce the notion that the world is small and easily perceived.
slcdenizenInteresting responses. When responding to Vancone you
sounded like a liberal. When responding to Danite you sounded like a
conservative. Was that your intent?
I oppose marxism because of its intrusiveness. It solves the wrong problem.
Being wealthy is not inherently evil. Having vast resources gives one potential
to do vast good, it really depends. Marxism's reach, however is
too unwieldy. It doesn't just apply to taking money from rich people. It
involves constant surveillance from committees. It's a good idea to read up
on the implementations of communism before you decide that rich people are the
problem. I've read a number of biographies from men who
fiercely loyal to Marxism, and saw it as a supremely moral, but once it was
implemented met with disillusion and were even victimized by oppressive
communes. I like the limited freedoms I have enjoyed in the current
US oligarchy with its smatterings of capitalism. I have not dedicated my life to
the pursuit of wealth, and I have not had to oppress my neighbors in their hope
to achieving their dreams either. Until human beings stop their
hate, envy, pride, lusts, and ignorance, Marxism will always be unachievable and
flawed. It robs men of their individual rights and ability to achieve good as
"Or, as Thomas B. Edsall in the New York Times puts it, 'worsening
inequality is an inevitable outcome of free market capitalism.' Capitalism
always leads to inequality."---------------------This is
**hilarious**!!If someone wants to see just how out of whack
inequalities can get, go try an pry the lid off of the more extreme examples of
the polar opposite to capitalism, Communism. Even one example, N. Korea, would
suffice. There you have the party elites who systematically enslave the rest of
the population in conditions of starvation and/or generational imprisonment, all
while piping a constant drone of propaganda to let everyone know what a paradise
they've been provided by the "Dear Leader".I can live
with what I too believe are the inevitable inequalities of life. The crucial
difference with Capitalism is that I can realistically have the expectation that
with sufficient drive and determination, my condition will rise to some level
that I prefer. AND, that my preferential level is mine to set.In
other words, I am **free** to decide where on the scale of inequality I want to
be and can reasonably have faith in determining it.I love freedom.
@happy2bhereConsider my views of the Burkian conservative tradition
- in favor of consistent, methodical change implemented through robust and
pluralistic institutions. The modern template is to recognize the failures of
our institutions, in this particular case our news outlets and higher education.
In response to Vanceone, the comments of whom are indicative of
either general contempt for or ignorance of scholarship, one may certainly paint
the comment liberal if being liberal means rebutting frivolous and unserious
scldenizenOK, maybe you and George Will should have a
conversation.On the matter at hand, It occurs to me that many on the
political left are greatly concerned with wealth re-distribution and have
contempt for the wealth being held by too few people. Question, do they ever
worry about too few people having to much of a WEALTH of POWER!? That is what
seems to happen whenever government takes over the private sector business. In
that arena, the left seems to believe that there should be no restrictions on
how many laws and regulations and taxes government can impose on the wealth
producers. Which, if it becomes too much will lead the country to where I first
posted. Atlas will shrug.
Piketty is scaring the Right because he uses data to back up his points. And the
data is unequivocal: Wealth is flowing up, not down. College is increasingly out
of reach for the average American family. Healthcare costs have skyrocketed. Two
incomes are necessary for families to scrape by.So, we can sit
around and wait for the "free market" to solve these problem--although,
it has done nothing to solve the problem in the past thirty years, so why should
it do so going forward?--or we can try to fix this problem.How do we
fix it? Piketty calls for taxes on the wealthy and education for all. The
wealthy largely pay capital gains taxes on stocks (15%) while the average
American pays taxes on income (up to 36%). How about we start by not penalizing
work and taxing capital at the same rate as labor? And let's help poor kids
go to school by raising the value of Pell Grants so they cover ALL of their
college education, not just a fraction?If we want the US to maintain
its position among developed nations, we can't afford to leave massive
swaths of the population behind.
@happy2bhereYou clearly spend very little time with liberal debates,
which, if one is otherwise convinced, why bother? Though if you did, you would
understand that those very issues are being addressed, including by Piketty
himself. The crux of the American debate is resting more on which party can
present credible arguments for their policy position and which can wield
alternate means of garnering votes, including propaganda-style media assaults.
Take the Obamacare example. It was a complex attempt at a fix of an
even more complex problem that is our health care delivery system. Rather than
concede the point that America's health care apparatus is lousy and propose
methods of fixing it, the right entrenched itself in denial and continues to
spew misinformation and hyperbole. If half the effort employed in screeching
about socialism had been used instead in fixing Obamamcare frailties, the
success would have been bipartisan, instead of just an increasingly clear
victory for the left. It will continue to reflect poorly on conservatism for the
Republican party to be fixated on denialism instead of addressing issues with
clear and direct solutions.
I think something left out here is a look at history and a look at what we call
"free market" capitalism. In the past 200 years, we've had the
greatest increase in wealth and long life ever. That's due to capitalism
and the concept that you don't fight over pieces of a pie that never grows.
You fight over pieces of an ever increasing pie. That's why the
"poor" of today have two cars, three tv's, cable subscriptions,
microwaves, and other items people from 50 years ago would call luxury items. No
other system can claim that kind of success. Today we see a crony
capitalism based on the rich getting richer because of rules and regulations
that benefit them. They crowd out those willing to work under a true free
market. Then those against capitalism can decry the result and point the finger
in the wrong place. We have plenty of examples.- Insurance companies
benefit from Obamacare- Cities pass laws banning Uber because of
"safety" reasons and thus allow cab companies to keep their $100,000
medallionsToo many examples, too little time.
vern001, Amen brother!!!!
Markets are the solution to the very problem he is suggesting exists. The
redistribution of poverty simply increases the number of poor dependent on the
government. Sad to see the Deseret News running an article promoting such
@vern001 - "College is increasingly out of reach for the average American
family."What?!? How many people are going to college today
versus a generation ago - or two generations ago? It's hard for graduates
to find jobs with their degrees because every one else has one too. Two
generations ago an associates degree would ensure you a middle class income. A
generation ago it was a bachelor's degree. Well, now it takes a
Master's. Why? Because college is accessible to everyone - not a bad thing
- but it is. Some have parents who pay for it (and can afford it) others receive
Pell Grants, and others have to take cheap, flexible, government subsidized
student loans (that's me). Either way, if you can study hard, work hard,
and live moderately to minimize your debt, anyone can go to college today.
Sounds like coveting to me. So I'll never be super rich. We manage to get
by on a pretty good income, but it took us years to get where we are. The one
percent should be helping out others, like Bill Gates , but many are selfish.
This is their right. They have the agency to choose what to do with their money.
This is America, the land of the free and the right to choose how to live our
lives. True happiness comes from helping others.
Very well written UStraveler. It restores a little faith in capitalism for me.
Unfortunately, our government is not responsive to us--they respond to the
wealthy in the form of campaign donations and special interest groups consisting
of multinational corporations and the 1%. I am frustrated because I don't
feel we have a voice as the general public, or at least one that is responded
to. If it were, we wouldn't have politicians having pensions for their
entire lives with nothing to show for it. It indeed has become "crony
capitalism". There is no "trickle down" as the rich and their
supporters suggest. If so, why are so many without jobs or not even receiving
cost of living salary increases? And yes, college has become unaffordable and
only large sums of debt are incurred with hopes of landing a job that will pay
it off. But pell grants are not the answer. I have seen far too many people at
a university with a very honest reputation w/these students using them for the
biggest TVs, x boxes, brand new cars, and other luxury items while still getting
financial aid from their parents.
If Marxists and socialists truly want to change the world, and change the
rich,they need to teach morality, yes that is right, morals,and not teach theft and coveting and violence and force to get their
way.Change mans heart not his wallet. That is the right way.
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