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Published: Thursday, April 24 2014 2:10 p.m. MDT

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A1994
Centerville, UT

@GaryO

If you live in Virginia Beach, do you really have any idea what is going on out West? Just curious.

pat1
Taylorsville, UT

@GaryO: Bundy lives in Nevada, not Utah.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

Bundy used language of the 60's. Not surprising. He doesn't have time to watch TV to catch up to the times. He is out growing meat for us and our children. He undoubtedly puts in double the hours per week of most workers, with no extended visits to a break room. (Remember the Paul Harvey Superbowl ad about farmers)

To be racist, there needs to be an element of intent to insult or hate. There was no intent, just awkward wording, using some words that are not PC today. In the 60's they were PC. The guy doesn't get to civilization much, clearly.

It was not racist. If you want to nitpick the language, go ahead, but the man clearly has love and compassion for all his fellowmen regardless of race. Calling him a racist just shows how silly and petty the whole PC thing has become.

Cliven Bundy exhibits no hate, therefore no racism.

Copy Cat
Murray, UT

GaryO is a little quick to the trigger, but he is partly right. Utah will get no sympathy, not because of Bundy, but because they never vote for democrat presidents.

That is why President Obama (D) made sure the Parks in Utah went unfunded during sequestration. It wasn't about money, it was about punishment.

no fit in SG
St.George, Utah

Ol' Cliven has seen the lights and the camera. He seems to love them.
Stay tuned for more outrageous statements.
Intelligent folks in the know will begin to put a great deal of space between themselves and Ol' Clive.

Utefan60
Salt Lake City, UT

Again the right wing is running for cover. They threw their towel in with this guy for the publicity and now they have the unwanted publicity of this situation. Fox News again showed the blind tactics they use to drum up ratings and then get slapped in the face. They deserve the beating they are getting for picking the side of Mr. Bundy.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

OReally – “Just what is Bundy stealing from the people?”

He’s stealing grass from a habitat that has very little grass. If Bundy’s cows graze there. The cattle belonging to good, decent, honest, upright, hardworking, patriotic, and non-parasitic ranchers cannot. See how that works?

A1194 – “ do you really have any idea what is going on out West?”

You live in the West. You don’t live in the OLD West. I don’t have to rely on the Pony express. I can access the Deseret News online, and they would never misrepresent the facts would they?

Pat - Yes, Bundy lives in Nevada. Would this be a good time for the state of Nevada to negotiate with the Federal Government regarding the control of public lands?

Copy Cat – “President Obama (D) made sure the Parks in Utah went unfunded during sequestration.”

Unwise Republicans in Congress INSISTED on sequestration. And they got what they asked for. Obama is not responsible for the horrible representation you Republicans get in Congress.

worf
Mcallen, TX

@GaryO:

Hmm?

What taxes do Virginians pay on their grazing cattle?

Doesn't Obama's vacations funds come from good, decent, honest, upright, hardworking, patriotic, and non-parasitic ranchers? His wages aren't in the hundreds of millions!

See how that works.

Copy Cat
Murray, UT

OGaryO

Nice try.

Congress and the president, democrats and republicans created sequestration.

One man decided what got cut, B. H. Obama. He cut what hurt citizens most, citizens who vote Republican that is.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

The irony of a moocher calling others moochers is exceptionalism?

The simple truth of the matter is that Bundy is a freeloading, welfare rancher who has an inflated sense of entitlement.

The militia types from out-of-state also showed up, heavily armed. They talked openly about firing on BLM rangers and federal law enforcement officers. In one report, one of the militia types — a retired sheriff from Arizona and member of the Oath Keepers — Richard Mack, said they were planning to put the women and children in front.
“I would have put my own wife or daughters there, and I would have been screaming bloody murder to watch them die,” he said. “I would’ve gone next, I would have been the next one to be killed. I’m not afraid to die here. I’m willing to die here.”

Clark County records show that Cliven Bundy’s parents bought his ‘ancestral’ 160 acre ranch in 1948, and didn’t start grazing cattle on the adjacent federal lands until 1954. Prior to that, they lived in Arizona. Bundy himself was born in 1946.

forward thinker
Salt Lake City, UT

If you want to see real racism, check out President and Mrs. Obama's favorite pastor's sermons. Jeremiah Wright's rants put Cliven Bundy's 60's jargon in perspective.

Mr. Bundy didn't say one hateful thing, not one.
He didn't cheer on the harm of people.
He made an awkward non-PC reference to slavery.

Contrast that with the President's favorite minister, Rev. Wright, cheering on the deaths of 9/11, saying it was just, and calling on God to bring destruction on American Caucasian society.

Democrats and their press gave excused Rev. Wright.

Democrats and their press condemn Mr. Bundy, and then try to put all conservatives in the noose with him.

Just thought that disparity should be pointed out.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Worf –

Ranchers don’t pay “taxes” on grazing cattle.

From honest, upright, non-parasitical ranchers, “We the people of the United States . . .” receive a certain amount per head for the right to graze on public lands.

Copy Cat –

“One man decided what got cut, B. H. Obama?”

Absolutely WRONG.

National Parks are part of discretionary spending. The way sequestration works according to the office of Management and Budget, “ . . . Congress can choose to cut or spare individual programs through the appropriations process . . . “

But Congress did NOT choose to keep Utah's National Parks open.

Right Wingers certainly are a misinformed group.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

@Batgerbadger

"To be racist, there needs to be an element of intent to insult or hate. There was no intent, just awkward wording, using some words that are not PC today."

So to tell a race of people that they were better off when they were owned and bought and sold as possessions isn't insulting or hateful? That goes beyond being PC.

When I talked to an in-law of mine who is African-American (and a fiery Republican), she was very insulted by his comments. She assured me her ancestors who worked on the plantations in South Carolina were not better off than she is. It is akin to telling the Israelis they were better off working for the Egyptians building the pyramids. At least they had jobs, right?

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

He's gone from being the face of the tea party to the face of every stereotype of the tea party liberals have.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

"..."I've heard about the racist comments, which, I think, are based in ignorance and are certainly despicable and offensive if they are, in fact, true,"...".

If in fact they are true.

The racist, ignorant, despicable, offensive comments were true.

Sean Hannity spent 9 days building Cliven Bundy into folk-hero status on Fox News.

It is easy to see how Gary might not be sure if what was reported...was accurate.

forward thinker
Salt Lake City, UT

"to tell a race of people that they were better off when they were owned and bought and sold as possessions..."

Did you listen to the audio, carefully? I did.

That is not what Mr. Bundy said. But don't let the truth change your mind. Those looking for offense will always find it.

BTW, to Mr. Bundy, a rancher who works 60 hours a week minimum, being idle would be a miserable existence.

Since we are all supposed to take into account the past history of the African Americans' ancestors, and not utter the word 'slavery' in their presence, shouldn't we also take into account Mr. Bundy's life history before we criticize him?

John C. C.
Payson, UT

What kind of self-described "Patriots" take up arms against my U.S.A.? They can wave flags all they want, but they are not the "well-regulated militia" of the 2nd Amendment.

Wonder
Provo, UT

Lesson for Republicans: When a guy is perfectly comfortable having armed militias defend him against the government, he might not be the kind of guy you want to hold up as your hero.

The Judge
Kaysville, UT

Bundy's not the face of land issues, but he may be the face of a government that is too big and out of control. Sending a SWAT team to decide a civil matter? What 6 year old video game player thought that up? Attach a lien to the property and call it good. Or, send a SWAT team to the houses of the delinquent IRS employees who got bonuses. Gotta treat everyone equally, right?

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