True Blue Cougar here....leave the fight song alone...
BC:No, but I'd meet you in the tangle. Some words are both
nouns and verbs and the lyricists probably had access to a dictionary. According
to mine:MUSSnoun1. a state of disorder or untidiness.verb (used with object)2. to put into disorder; make messy; rumple
(often followed by up ).Origin:1820–30; perhaps blend of
mess and fussSynonyms2. mess, disturb, tangle, bedraggle.
JohnInSLC"muss" is an action, NOT, a thing.Would
you meet someone in the "stir"?
Are we talking about the Utah Redskins? I mean Utes. Or is Utes being dropped
too? What is going on up there?
I've always thought it was an embarrassingly lame & cheesy fight song
for many reasons. This whole story just brought out the history enough to
understand why. The guys who wrote it probably never thought it would actually
get adopted much less would last this long. Holding on to tradition just for
the sake of tradition is a poor excuse for keeping something that was never
intended to be a "fight song" in the first place.
@BobYou're right. Utah Man is a drinking song, not a fight song. Go
look up the original lyrics. They are even more embarrassing and racist. I
wouldn't repeat them in the Trib much less here.
And all this time I thought "Utah Man was just a drinking song!"
This song lyric controversy, ridiculous as it may be, will only prove to
strengthen Ute Nation's conviction for the Fight Song. What the ASUU needs
to focus on, is challenging each of the attending students to sing every single
lyric at the top of their lungs during each game this year. Now that would be
some actual progress!Ki-Yi! A Utah Man Am I Sir! Go Utah Man! Go
Utah Woman! Go Utes!
Henry-A fight song written by a coach and his players, what did you
expect?It was written a long time ago, of course the vernacular is
dated.How does everyone miss that it was written by football PLAYERS
to support their TEAM. Do women play football? No, so it was not written to
represent them, but the boys playing football. They did not write it to
represent the school, that is what school songs are for. How about instead of
changing it, you use it only for football, its original intention?If you
find it offensive, do not sing it. It will never have any impact on your life,
at all, unless you CHOOSE to feel offended. That is your problem.This is such a dumb debate and one of the biggest non issues to arise that I
have seen in a while."Our coeds are the fairest and each one a shining
star."How dare you talk about my sister (UofU graduate) that way! She
is ugly and a dud!!!Really? That line is offensive? Give me a break...The AASU is not representing the school; outside the small group, nobody
cares.Leave it alone and walk away.
Simple solution. This is a football fight song so let the football team keep it
(and any of the other men's teams that so choose). Let the womyn's
teams write their own song. They can use it all of their contests, if they so
choose. Choice for all.
"it was only a lame attempt to find a word that rhymed with
'fuss.'"Henry:Wasn't your dictionary
handy? Or your mom never mussed up your hair?
Henry Drummond:Well said Henry. The "Utah Fight Song" IS
offensive...but not because it's sexist. It's offensive because it
really is THAT lame! The tune? The lyrics? Horrible. Scrap it all I say.
Dump the whole song, and try to come up with a better one.Go Utes!
Amy is right. As a lyricist I say, "Use the whole set of lyrics or nothing
at all." Simple. Unless you've bought all rights to the lyrics. It's a dumb song, but, hey, it's a college fight song. What
did you want, War and Peace?
Henry DrummondIs it any surprise that the only words of that
incredibly silly and chauvinistic song that they actually sing are "a Utah
Man am I"?No wonder they don't want to change the words;
those are the only words they know.
I understand that a song written in 1904 by athletes who played football without
a helmet has its charm, but let's not go overboard. "Utah Man" is
not exactly the work of Ralph Waldo Emerson. Any song that rhymes "die"
with "ki yi" is not a precious specimen of poetry we need to preserve
for the ages. Even if you get past the obvious chauvinistic character of the
song the other lyrics make little sense. Examples: 1. "I am a
Utah Man, sir, and I live across the green" The only thing that lies
across "the green" is the west desert. 2. "Our gang it
is the jolliest that you have ever seen"We're going to be the
first team to win a National Championship by being Jolly! 3.
"We're up to snuff, we never bluff, we're game for any fuss. No
other gang of college men dare meet us in a muss."Freshman learn
that MUSS stands for "Mighty Utah Student Section." Imagine their
disillusionment when they learn it was only a lame attempt to find a word that
rhymed with "fuss."The lyrics of this song definitely need
Attn: MOST HIGH & HONORABLE PAC-12 LOVERS , Independent Football fans
occasionally find enough VALUE & HUMOR in SPORTS articles to comment on
them...in this case the notion that all who profess to be a UTAH MAN must relent
that title, and hereafter refer to themselves as a UTAH FAN...
The thing I find funny about the entire thing is that the current song boasts
about how hot the Utah girls are. And that's apparently... a bad thing?
I mean, is it bad that you have pretty girls? What does the current
female population of the U think about this--are they pretty or not? The only thing I can conclude is that the Utah student council now believes
that they do not have pretty girls on campus. As a Cougar fan, I will bow to
their daily experience and take their word for it. I mean, I've seen
pretty girls wearing Utah gear, but perhaps they aren't actual Utah girls?
Did the U used to have pretty girls but no longer? It's all funny to me. Go ahead, remove the line about pretty girls!
That would be far more insulting to the women at the University of Utah than
leaving it in, in my opinion.
Don't change the words; add an appropriate new verse. What's so hard
about that? The song is not divisive. People are.
Is "rise and shout" discriminatory against people in wheel chairs?
Honestly, where does PC start and stop? It's kinda like a cat chasing
As a conservative who hates political correctness, even I can see that this
would be a good change. Not because it's "offensive", but because
it's stupid. And yes, it is sexist. Something doesn't have to be
offensive to be a clear case of sexism. The song being only sung from a male POV
with the possessive idea that "our" women are hotter than "your"
women really has no place.
STLuteShe didn't address why it was okay to change the song
once, but not okay to change it twice.Many things have changed over
the years at the U, including the school name and nickname.What
makes the fight song so sacrosanct?
Well said Amy!!
@SportsFanIf you just read the article, she answers both of those
things. People know the song and recite it with emotion. While it
doesn't prove literary genius, it is still art.
@EliotWe got plenty of chances to sing it when we played BYU.
I love the group think that persists in the liberal mind. It is most often
exhibited by using political correctness to attack those that have a different
view. Fairness, inclusion and justice are code words used to make themselves
feel superior to others. The lyrics of the song don't seem to be a
pressing issue. I haven't even heard a big outcry, but Sam Ortiz has now
made a name for himself in the liberal world. That was his goal. Congrats Sam,
you have been attacked by those "crazy conservatives" in Utah. You will
be welcomed in all the modern liberal salons with those bonafides. You will
also make a great politician since you made controversy where there was none in
order to be divisive.
Nice take Amy.Would they also like to quit offending BYU fans?Didn't think so...
Calling Utah's fight song "art" that needs to be protected from
censorship is a bit of a stretch.The lyrics have already been
changed at least once, so what's the big deal changing them again to
reflect more enlightened cultural changes over the last century?
I am offended that this song is not sung in other languages. That seems
offensive to me and very divisive. It will be a challenge to write a non gender
specific multilanguage interpretation of this song. I think including a verse on
swoop (gender?) is appropriate. I don't think that using Ute would be
appropriate as tthere is a possibility of offending indiginous peopple. Utah
ought to "pac"up and move to california to become socially correct.
Apparently the studentbody officers at U of U don't have anything of actual
importance to spend their time on?
If you find the lyrics to "Utah Man" offensive, it's probably best
that you blindfold yourself, stick wax in your ears, and hide out in the
basement encased in bubble wrap so that you won't injure yourself in any
How many of those that find the song offensive even attend football games?
Very nice points, Amy. While the MUSS has been building some fun fan traditions
(Crazy Lady, 3rd Down Jump, the false start count, etc.), Utah Man is really the
only long-standing fan tradition that the school has.Back when I was
in high school, I never really had any horse in the race between the U, BYU or
USU, I liked watching them all succeed pretty equally. But when Utah football
really started to pick back up in 2003, I loved seeing the zeal and unity that
the players, band, cheerleaders and fans all showed when Utah Man played! I
picked up any musical instrument I could find to play it for fun whenever I
could. I never heard any complaints of it from fellow students or faculty while
I studied and worked at the U. Now it is deemed "divisive," and changing
words in it will only make it all the more divisive. I'd rather see them
abandon it officially, start something new for this soft generation of students,
and let the men and women proud to be a Utah Man embrace it on their own.
Don't water it down. That's my take.
At the rate the song has been sung of late, most people are bound to forget the
Here is my prediction: the sound of Utah Man in its appropriate spot will ring
louder than normal for the next few years and the new words will n'er be
spoken. Sometimes change makes the old all that much stronger. Think New Coke.
Nice move ASUU, you have cemented the words for at least the next 5 years.Go Cougars.