"A community cannot and should not be true to something that it
isn’t." An odd sentence this.So I guess Utah should be
what it is? I guess that depends on what the meaning of "is" is.
I'll take a shot at that anticipating what I think your response would be.
Utah is socially conservative and fiscally conservative. Utah generally despises
Democrats and particularly despises Obama (the "narcissist"). Utah is
comfortable being a one party state, and really doesn't want it any other
way.But Utah's background is really quite different. Utah gave
its electoral votes to FDR four times! Why? Because Utah, one of the hardest
hit states in the Great Depression, was so grateful for New Deal money, which it
received out of proportion because of highly placed Utahns in FDR's
administration. My Dad had nothing but good things to say about FDR for that
reason.If the Democrats played their cards right (a whopping
assumption) they could remind Utahns of these things and maybe change what Utah
Ah, this editorial must be right. Utah and any of its cities shouldn't do
anything that is contrary to the Republican Party because Utah doesn't vote
Democratic.Let's start with roads. If Utah is bonding for it,
that is debt and the Republican Party is against debt. No more moving funds
from the General Fund either as that is a subsidy that affects more than just
the rich or corporations and we can't have that either.UTA must
stay within its current tax level for services and expansion.Schools
immediately go to the voucher system as that is what Republicans want, even if
voters don't.That is the problem. Without a contrary opinion
no new ideas are found. A company of “Yes” men will always fail.Nearly 40% of the state votes Democratic for National Elections yet less
than 20% of the State Government is Democrats due to Gerrymandering. Seems the
Convention may be scaring State Republicans.The “Quality of
Life” in Utah is due to the 2 Parties working together, not a single party
dictating what can and will be.
The idea that the Democrats would or should come here for a convention is
Couple things.Making Utah the first "presidential primary"
will not make Utah relevant in national politics. Secondly, Utah
will not land the Democratic National Convention. The venue is not decided on
pretty mountains. It is used to help swing votes their way. And that cannot
happen in Utah. It must have been a joke to put Utah on the list.Look at the bright side. Utah will not get bombarded as much with the media
blitz of a national campaign. So, you have that going for you,
which is nice.
The day Utah becomes a "swing" state is the day there is ONE party rule
in America. I don't hear anyone (except ex-pats like myself) griping about
the Democrat dominance in huge electoral states like California, which used to
be in the swing category. Now, the Democrat nominee does not even need to spend
money there. The 50 something electoral votes are guaranteed. If I were a
party leader, I'd be sure to have my parties convention in the true swing
states like Ohio, or Pennsylvania, where the difference in Presidential
elections are made. That whole swing state thing by the way is why I Hate the
electoral college system in the first place. In the vote for President of the
United States, which is the only election all Americans participate in, it
should be an outright popular vote nationwide. Then we would not have this
swing state nonsense going on and elections like 2000 would not happen. And I
voted for Bush in that election but did not think he deserved to win the
Presidency as he got some 500 thousand less votes than Gore. Ok I'm off my
"...focusing political...energies...".Utah is a Republican
ATM.Money will continue to flow freely into the pockets of the
Republican Political Machine.Focused political energies.Priceless.
Utah? A Swing State?That's funny -- that's
like calling Nazi Germany, North Korea, Communist China, or Cuba swing states.
I have always wondered why more of our elected leaders do not focus more on
local or state issues?Example our Senator Lee. He has been in the
news a lot in regard to national issues.Can any one tell me if he has
introduced legislation that passed in regard to local or state issues here in
Utah?How about our Senator Hatch. As I remember during the last
election he said he was so powerful in the Senate and he could get things done
for Utah. What has he done for Utah in the past year?Have either of
our two Senators passed any legislation that benefits Utah?Or does
Let the Democrats hold their convention here. If they come, they'll learn
that Utah believes in the right to let unborn babies live. That is both a Utah
value and a Republican value. They will learn that Utah believes in the right
to work. That is both a Utah value and a Republican value. They will learn that
Utah believes that the duties of the President are clearly written in the
Constitution and that he is not a defacto "king". That is a Utah value
and a Republican value.Let them come. Let them see for themselves
that when a people believe in something that has eternal truth, that the people
prosper, that they are healthy, that they are industrious, that they sacrifice
to raise families, that children are not considered a burden, but a blessing,
that women honor the title of Mother.Let them come.
". “Utah could be the next swing state . . "If pigs
could learn to fly, yes, it's very possible that Utah could be the next
swing state.That's not likely though.The people of
Utah would have to abandon their comfortably-unaware collective mindset first
and learn to think for themselves, and that is NOT going to happen any time
soon.Sure, others and myself will continue doing what we can to
enlighten people in this regressive state, but Utah has not yet begun to emerge
from its long dark age, and I don't see that happening anytime soon.
"....A community cannot and should not be true to something that it
isn’t...."______________________________With a cow
town mentality like that from the state’s leading news daily, Utah civic
leaders have their work cut out for them. I suspect they are more
forward-looking than the gloomy Deseret News editorial desk. They’re not
unrealistic in assessing the state’s chances but they’re not
defeatist either. That’s a big positive.
Utah is far from a swing state.And even IF we were... we will always
have little or no impact on Presidential elections. The electoral college
makes sure of that.Utah has 6 electoral votes. States like
California have 55. So no matter how we vote in Utah... they can wipe out our
impact by just wining one county in California... so where are they going to
campaign and invest their efforts?Not Utah, that's for sure.===There are 538 electoral votes.. of which Utah can
influence 6 of them... that's just a drop in the bucket no matter how you
look at it. Any smart candidate would fly over Utah and spend his
time, money, and efforts to win the other 532 votes... Utah is a waste of time.
Mike Richards,Right, Just like the example of Republican wonderfulness,
Ronald Reagan let unborn babies live?Apparently, you continue to forget
IF Democrats do come to Utah for their convention... I wonder if Rocky Anderson
will use his old office to organize protests to harass and protest the
convention speakers and guests???That was a real sweat episode in
Utah history... and how Democrats in Utah treat our convention guests...
LDS LiberalI've just got to ask. You said ...........Nazi
Germany, North Korea, Communist China, Cuba. Are you making a comparison
between Utah and those places? If so, why would you choose to live here.
I'd move if I thought Utah was as bad as those places. And by the way, you
can still move from here. In those places good luck getting out.
@Gary O[". “Utah could be the next swing state . . "If pigs could learn to fly, yes, it's very possible ]Maybe Lee, Cruz, and friends will lose it and create a third party that's
Tea Party based. Then we'd have a competitive 3 way election (kinda like
Clinton getting 3rd behind Bush and Perot...).
re: no fit in SG,Are you claiming that the Republican Party has EVER
had a plank in their platform that gave anyone the right to destroy an unborn
baby? Unlike the Democrats, the Republicans do not think that anyone, including
the mother, can destroy a life except in the case of rape, incest or imminent
danger of death to the mother.Maybe you'd better read the
platform of each party. If you believe in abortion on demand, then say it, but
don't try to say that the Republican Platform endorses abortion.If you blame Reagan for the 1,000,000 deaths that occurred after he signed the
California law to reduce "back room abortions", maybe you'd better
read the history of what happened. Maybe you'd better read what HE said
about those doctors who performed abortion on demand. Maybe you'd better
read this quote: "If there is a question as to whether there is life or
death, the doubt should be resolved in favor of life."
Having Utah so deeply entrenched in the GOP must make this paper and owner very,
You tell 'em Deseret News. We don't want any of that icky DNC money
spent here. Why is hosting a convention any more than just a money
issue? Many, many conventions come to Salt Lake City every year and their
participants spend a great deal of money. Does the Deseret News agree with the
platform of every one of those groups? Where I come from, a
Democrat's money spends just the same as a Republican's. Why
don't you ask the hotels and restaurants if they'd like to host the
@CHS 85,I don't care if the DNC convention comes to Utah (I
know it won't... but I don't care).Like you said... their
money spends just like any other convention.I hope they DO come...
so we can treat them like Rocky Anderson and his people treated our guests from
the American Legion national convention (because they invited George Bush to
speak).I wonder if the Mayor of SLC will be calling for anti-DNC
protests, and setting up stages, venues, bands, and speakers for the anti-DNC
protests... like the anti-Bush protests our mayor organized back when Bush was
invited to speak at a convention in SLC...Google "Rocky calls
for Bush protest"...===I was being facetious.I actually agree with what Dave Buhler said in the article..."I mean, do we want these big conventions in Salt Lake or not? It's
not very hospitable of the mayor. We should welcome any president, no matter who
he is"...===If Obama or Clinton came to speak at a
convention... I think we would have some small demonstrations... but not
organized, funded and encouraged by our Mayor (I hope)...
@GaryO "Sure, others and myself will continue doing what we can to enlighten
people in this regressive state, but Utah has not yet begun to emerge from its
long dark age, and I don't see that happening anytime soon."It surprises me that you haven't been able to win them over. Perhaps
you're showing them too much love and respect.
Nate –You think I’m showing
[“Conservatives”] too much love and respect?”Well,
I don’t know about that. I’m just trying to be fair and direct.. . . . Just implementing the Golden Rule.
GaryO,If Utahns are still in the dark ages, and so unlightened,
please explain why Utah is annually ranked highly as a well-managed state. Why
is Utah's economy among the best in the nation? Why do Utahn's enjoy
better than average health and life-spans? We have our problems,
just like anybody else. But we have got a good thing going for us that most of
the country would love to emulate. We all hope you come around to
Can any of the posters tell me what our two Senators have accomplished
legislatively?I still remember Senator Hatch saying we should
reelect him because of his power and seniority in the Senate. What has he
accomplished in the last year?Same for our Senator Lee. Other than
strut around on the national stage as a cheer leader for the tea party movement,
What has he accomplished legislatively in the past year?
Call me whatever but I would love to any political party convention come to
Utah, especially the two major parties. I'm not Red or Blue on this one
but I see plenty of GREEN and it would be a lot of fun for a few days...
Iron Rod,The minority party (Republicans) are very limited in what
they can do in the Senate. Do you think Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is
going to help Hatch or Lee accomplish anything there? What have
House Democrats accomplished? Not much, because they are in the minority.I hope this explains why Hatch and Lee haven't had many of their
proposals brought up for debate or a vote. Lee has only served in the minority.
Hatch, over the course of his entire career, has his name attached to numerous
bills and laws. I did not vote for Hatch in the last election, and
I won't vote for him in the next election (I know he said he wouldn't
run again, but I don't believe him). I do, however, understand the
limitations of the minority, and the power of the majority.
Utah would vote for the devil if he had an R next to his name.
Most of these comments is why I'm not a Democrat. I just can't bring
myself to lull unattentively away in the flow of popular opinion and shifting
sands.I agree with the sentiment of the article; there's really
not much to gain from trying to make political side-shows out of Utah.
RE DavidCentervilleOK what have our two representatives in the
House done for Utah in the past year?
@Iron Rod 9:24,RE: "what have our two representatives in the House
done for Utah in the past year?"...You may not be aware of this
but... we have 4 representative in the House (not 2).Jason
ChaffetzJim MathesonChris StewartRob BishopWe have
2 representatives in the Senate (which is not the "House"). Even my 12
year old Scouts who have the Citizenship in the Nation merit badge know that.Orrin HatchMike Lee====What have our
representatives in the House done?What have our representatives in the
Senate done?What has ANYBODY in Congress done???Democrats
haven't gotten much done, so you can get off the high-horse. Republicans
also haven't gotten much done. Some say that's a GOOD thing. I don't know if I agree with that. But your pretense that our
representatives are worse than any other representatives (I assume because most
of them are Republicans)... is bogus.Representatives in the minority
frequently don't get much done. It's not unusual...
@2 bitsCottonwood Heights, UTJust throwing blinds swings
trying to connect to hit something 2 bits?Go back and READ the comments...
Mr. Richards,You are evidently not aware that the exceptions you list,
"except in the case of rape, incest or imminent danger of death to the
mother," are in fact the exceptions that your religion will accept; they are
found nowhere in the Republican national platform, which will brook no
exceptions at all to the "right to life." Sounds like your personal
position is closer to the Democratic position that abortions should be
"safe, legal--and rare."