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Published: Wednesday, April 23 2014 12:23 p.m. MDT

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UU
Provo, UT

Duckhunter,

Yes I will acknowledge that Utah qualified for a bowl in 2011 because they had a weaker SOS than they did in 2012 or 13. Yet you still won't admit that BYU's ticket to bowl games every year is built on the backs of cupcakes.

54-10
Salt Lake City, UT

Duckhunter
Highland , UT

What matters is what happens on the field.

Like 4 straight and 9 of the last 12.

Enjoy Tulsa

UU
Provo, UT

@ Duckhunter "There really is nothing to brag about for having such a strong schedule if you cannot win"

Yet that's what BYU fans wanted to brag about during basketball season.... having a tough non-conference schedule. But you lost to most of the good teams. BYU beat Texas and Stanford, but lost to Oregon, Utah, Wichita State, UMass and Iowa State. How is that nay different than Utah fans wanting a little credit in football for the #3 schedule and beating Stanford, BYU and Utah St. yet losing to Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA, USC, Arizona and ASU?

54-10
Salt Lake City, UT

UU
Provo, UT

You can never use facts to convince Ducky of anything. Since BYU is not aligned with a conference that has various automatic bowl tie ins, even Mr. Holmoe has stated on many occasions that BYU scheudles "to qualify for a bowl game."

UU
Provo, UT

@ Duckhunter “What’s your point?”

My point is you are the first to join a Utah thread to talk about out the Utes lack of winning (or potential winning in 2014), and you have been the first to point out Utah's lack of bowl games over the past 2 seasons, yet you never represent the other side of the coin…. which is SOS.

BYU’s SOS is consistently weaker than Utah’s. Including the 2014 season, Utah will have had a tougher SOS than BYU 6 of the past 7 years. You can't just ignore that reality when making your analysis.

By the way, BYU did not play the #30 schedule…. It was #38. If BYU had Utah's #3 football schedule they most likely don't go bowling. Please tell me where BYU would have come up with 6 wins on that #3 schedule?

If BYU was so great in 2013, why couldn’t they beat the Utes on their home field, again?

Duckhunter
Highland , UT

@uu

Ah the desperation has set in. First of all no BYU fans bagged about BYU's basketball schedule other than as a rebuttal to utah "fans" whining about their football schedule and how BYU only plays "cupcakes" to qualify for bowls. Of course that isn't true at all, BYU played the 38th toughest schedule in the country as you pointed out so they obviously played far more than "cupcakes".

Also here is the big difference between BYU and utah and football and basketball. BYU still qualified for a bowl against their "cupcake" schedule while utah did not qualify for a bowl against their "toughest in the history of the world" schedule. In basketball BYU still made it to the NCAA tournament, as a 10th seed to boot, against their tough basketball schedule while utah still failed to make it to the ncaa tourney against just about the worst OOC sos in the country and a still fairly low ranked sos overall. Those are stark contrasts in results. You're into "truth" it appears so let that truth sink in.

54-10
Salt Lake City, UT

Duckhunter
Highland , UT

... and yet your mighty Kewgs can't beat Utah in football or basketball.

Duckhunter
Highland , UT

@uu

Really you are struggling here, and failing. No BYU's football schedule is not as tough as utah's, does that make you happy? But BYU played a very respectable football schedule last year and still qualified for a bowl game. BYU then played a more than respectable basketball schedule and still made it to the ncaa tournament.

utah played a very tough football schedule last year and failed to go to a bowl. utah then played one of the worst schedules in the history of the state in basketball and still failed to make it to the ncaa tourney.

BYU succeeded against good schedules in both sports, utah failed against a good schedule in one sport and an abysmal schedule in the other sport. Failure is failure there is no there way to put it.

BYU had nothing to do with this discussion until you brought them up for some reason, I'm guessing to make yourself feel better. You know there will always be an excuse, there always is an excuse.

UU
Provo, UT

Duckhunter,

You have failed to disprove that BYU plays more cupcakes every year than Utah. I have given you the evidence for 2013. I can dig up the proof for 2012 and 2011 if you want but that will just cause further embarrassment. Just give me the word and I'll show you the cupcakes over the past 3 years.

You have also failed to disprove that Utah's SOS has been tougher than BYUs 6 of 7 years spanning from 2008 to 2014.

Why does any of this matter? Because you are the first to jump on a Utah story to take your digs at the Utes W-L record while completely dismissing the presence of cupcakes on BYU's schedule. Just once, it would be refreshing to see you acknowledge both sides of the coin.

I would be interested to get your take on the six wins BYU would have registered on Utah's 2013 schedule to become bowl eligible. And remember you can't count the Utah game as one of those wins because BYU can't beat the Utes.

Old But Not Stupid
Moorpark, CA

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

"Duckhunter,

Did you predict..."

No Chris, you are the one who is always "predicting" and "marking it down."

But I do not recall you predicting the accidental win over Stanford last Fall. So are the Utes gonna beat Stanford in 2014? Can we "mark it down?"

Duckhunter
Highland , UT

@uu

We have no idea how BYU would have fared against utah's schedule so it is a moot point. we also have no idea how utah would have fared against BYU's schedule so once again it is a moot point. It is all conjecture.

We do know this, utah failed against their schedule, BYU succeeded, although modestly, against theirs.

And you are wrong when you say

"Because you are the first to jump on a Utah story to take your digs at the Utes W-L record while completely dismissing the presence of cupcakes on BYU's schedule"

No I'm not. In fact the only time I ever say anything about either schools schedules is in response to utah "fans" like yourself. Honestly it is only an issue to utah "fans" like yourself that are looking for an excuse for your teams futility the last couple of years.

Once again you brought it up, I didn't, in fact I pointed out that utah's schedule is part of the reason for their results, I understand it is tough to win against that schedule and utah has not been up to the task.

CougOrUte..Naah
Nibley, UT

As an unbiased reader here I think Duckhunter's guess is going to be a lot closer than pocyUtes. I am not bagging on the Utes, their schedule is a monster. The only sure win is Idaho State. The Utes should beat Fresno, Colorado, and Wazzu. But with as wide open as their offenses are they could get hot and upset the U. I wouldn't call Arizona, Michigan, and OSU tossups. I think they are winnable, but the edge is definitely in their favor. Stanford, Oregon, ASU, UCLA, and USC are almost sure losses. I am thinking 5-7 is probable, but I can see how they could slide to 4-8 or 3-9 which would be a total disaster for the Utes. A great season would be 6-6 or 7-5, but I can't see it happening. With the strength of the Cougars schedule, if they don't go 10-2 or even 11-1, they will be under achievers. A 9-3 season for the Cougs should be considered an abysmal failure.

sammyg
Springville, UT

So interesting to see Ute fans get in a tizzy when Duckhunter makes a comment about w/l predictions.

They seem to forget all the frustrations they exhibited with the QB fiascos of Wynn, Hays and Wilson. Ute fans were going ballistic back then when Hays took the reins and lost I believe 4 in a row yet he pulled off the miracle and got U to your last bowl game.

Then Whit abandoned him for Wilson who blows it for the next two seasons coming up short and bowl-less.

Droves of Ute fans were calling for Whit's head about the QB problems, lack of depth, and here just a few weeks ago we heard about all the new QB talent and in the next breath we heard about "thinning the herd".

So today Ute fans are united against Duckhunter's commentary and disregarding the real problem with Ute football, the coaching.

Some things never change and seeing this played out again and again is quite entertaining.

I'm betting another dismal Ute season, bowl-less and frustrated Ute fans leading the charge demanding pink slips for Whit and company.

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