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Published: Tuesday, April 22 2014 10:06 p.m. MDT

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Tators
Hyrum, UT

@ I Still Can't Say It:

History obviously isn't one of your strengths. This may be news to you, but women actually did own land, vote and went to college when the fight song was first made. The main difference between people back then and people now is that back then, they didn't run around worrying about political correctness so much. Actual school spirit and common sense were more important.

Not every change is for betterment. We're progressing on a technological level, but certainly not on a common sense level. We keep trying to change the Constitution of the United States when it's actually our current way of thinking that should be changed to match the common sense level of our forefathers. We keep creating many of our own problems with this political correctness garbage.

@ mussingaround:

Concerning your idea of using Pocahontas as the school mascot... Since the current school president is so willing to pay others for the use of the Ute name, and since I am a direct descendant of of Pocahontas, I will expect to find an offer in the mail or a school delegation visit to present an offer.

chicagoborn
Salt Lake City, UT

I don't see why people are getting so offended over the the fight song. This is just a pointless as the Utah hot/cold tub dunking "fiasco" where people got offended over nothing.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

@ ImaUteFan:

Spoken just like an ultra-Ute fan or man or whatever is now relevant. Why is it that you and a few others like you always assume that anyone who doesn't claim Utah as their school is automatically assumed to be a BYU fan. I didn't read where souptwins made any reference about BYU. You may not realize this in your obviously closed-in world, but there really are a lot of other colleges out there besides Utah and BYU. The world doesn't revolve around just 2 schools. Souptwins could easily be a UVU, USU or even a Weber State alumni.

And to think that your definition of irony excludes the fact that you yourself have many times in the past posted on BYU articles. People who live in glass houses... Well, you know how that saying goes. So it wouldn't be ironic if some stones got thrown back toward you.

FACTchequer
Salt Lake City, UT

Tators

So, does Disney pay you royalties every time they come out with another movie or action figure involving Pocahontas?

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It seems that Utah has addressed these fight song issues on many occassions, but continue to kick the problem down the road, only to resurface again. Maybe it's time to fix the problem once and for all.

Chamberlain
Salt Lake City, UT

Max

"It's offensive only to those looking to be offended."

The exact same thing could be said of any racial, ethnic, religious, gender, or other "protected" group slur.

Just because you're not offended doesn't make it any less offensive to those who are.

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

Hey Ute fans, how about this?

O Rise and Shout, the Utes are out
Along the trail to fame and glory.
Rise and shout, our cheers will ring out,
As you unfold your vict'ry story.

Sound good to you?

Fitz
Murray, UT

It just seems wrong that 46 student body leaders can take vote and then ask the U President to change a century old tradition is the U's Fight Song. They say the represent the tens of thousands of students currently enrolled, but is unlikely that the whole of the student body agrees with this recommendation. The reported threats they have received, enough to the point that campus police went to the meeting, should be a clear indication that it is not liked by all. But this suggested change also has to include the hundreds of thousands of alumni, they have every right to support and defend the Fight Song they remember as a part of their education.

I consider this issue to be trivial, but something that should be addressed. A recommendation from 46 students does not carry any weight when one considers the negative reception of the idea from many in the student body and the alumni have been totally left out of the issue. If the U's President did the right thing, he would find a diplomatic way to kill the issue.

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

As long as we're changing things to make sure no one is offended, some people find the term "Cougar" offensive, so maybe BYU should get rid of the Cougar mascot, which in turn means they'll have to change their fight song too since they can't sing, "Rise and shout the Cougars are out," anymore.

Perhaps the U of U should change their mascot from the Runnin' Utes to something like the Red fronted Macaw. It's an endangered specie, so who could possibly find that offensive? They then can pen a new new fight song based on the Macaw.

Meanwhile, the Y can replace the Cougar with the Blue Bird of Paradise also an endangered specie. Doesn't that sound like a nice, pleasant, harmonious, non-offensive, mascot name?

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

Fitz

What's the point of having an elected student council if they're not allowed to actually do anything without receiving approval from the entire studentbody and all alumni?

Isn't that what representative government is all about - 100 Senators and 435 House of Representatives making decisions for an entire nation of 317 million people?

Protecting This House
Salt Lake City, UT

Political correctness should be abolished. Sing the fight song because you're a student, and if words in the song offend you, then transfer to another school. Or, stay in school, and don't sing the fight song. It's as simple as that, really.

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

ClarkHippo

Now you're just being silly.

The BYU Cougar is, and always has been, simply the cat. It's clear from the song, the mascot, the branding, and everything associated with the BYU Cougar that it has absolutely nothing to do with some recently coined derogatory term.

Anybody trying to make that connection is simply being silly.

Bleed Crimson
Sandy, Utah

@ Just the "FACTS"

"What's the point of having an elected student council if they're not allowed to actually do anything without receiving approval from the entire studentbody and all alumni?"

Do you agree with Obamacare? That legislation occurred behind closed doors and the American people had no voice on the matter. Guess what? The American people now have to live with the consequences of paying higher premiums and losing their current health plans. Our elected government officials lied to us about Obamacare and people are finding out that those promises aren't true.

Just because people are elected doesn't mean they can do whatever they want. They need to be held accountable to the American people like this student government should be held accountable to the student body. The ASUU shouldn't do whatever they want with out the majority of the student body on their side.

Solomon the Wise
Alpine, UT

Sometimes protecting the house means having the serenity to accept the things we cannot change, the courage to change the things we can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

colleen peters
Portage, MI

Nothing more important to discuss?? I am a woman (Utah Man ) and proud to have been "one of the prettiest girls in the land" so how trivial can we get?? I'm proud of both points in the fight song.

Utah rules
Salt Lake City, UT

But, but, but.......we are in a power conference. We should have power to do what ever we want and ignore the fan base. I guess being in a so-called power conference does not mean much.
Can we go back to the WAC so we can compete?

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

Bleed Crimson

Unfortunately, the "majority" of Americans who voted for the representatives, who are responsible for Obama-care, were hoodwinked into voting for those same representatives a second time, thus preventing Obama-care from being repealed.

As far as Utah's fight song goes, the issues have been discussed in the Chronicle, the Trib, the DN, KSL News, Fox News, on Twitter and on Facebook. This isn't a surprise to anybody who's been paying attention and it certainly isn't something that was decided on the spur of the moment.

Just because the majority of students and alumni object to the changes doesn't mean the fight song shouldn't be changed. Ever heard of the tyranny of the majority? Do a little research and you'll discover that the majority isn't always right.

UoU 1991
Park City, UT

I heard on the radio this afternoon that the student body officers who voted to change Utah's fight song have been receiving threats of physical violence - that's just sad that supporters of the flagship public university of Utah would even consider hurting someone over changing three words of a song.

Ute buster
Salt Lake City, UT

UoU 1991,
The public university that is the flagship of the state is now UVU. Sorry to break the news to you. Power conference affiliation means nothing when you don't compete, all season long, in all major sports.

If BYU was a public university then they would be the flagship of the state.

TimBehrend
Auckland NZ, 00

arand: I guess we will have to change a lot of scientific books that say "when Man first walked the earth". Have we really become that PC? We are destroying our culture from the inside out.

I take it you haven't read a 'scientific' book in a while. The change in usage happened a long time ago - an entire generation, i would say. You've fallen behind. "When humans first walked the earth" is the gender neutral way of saying the same thing, and it's what you'll read in the vast majority of non-tendentious writing today. If you're looking for a campaign, I think what you want to be fighting now is the replacement of the Christian-sounding AD/BC with CE/BCE, though this, too, is already pretty much a fait accompli in the centres of cultural power.

cowshed
Provo, Utah

As a holder of two degrees from the U, I have a right to weigh in on this issue. It seems to me that the use of the word "fan" could be offensive to the minority who aren't that interested in sports. And to insist that our students are "the brightest" is sure to offend the minority who are mediocre students. In fact, since the name of the university as well as the state (not to mention the subject fight song, comes from the name of a native American tribe, don't we have to get permission from tribe members to use the name? And how about the other state and city names that come from Native American words, such as Minnesota, and thousands of others? Shouldn't we at least be negotiating with the tribe members to pay royalties for the use of those names? And while I'm at it, shouldn't I be offended at people who are not native English speakers, who have difficulty pronouncing my family surname, which comes from England? Sorry, but I only have a few words left; otherwise I could go on all night.

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