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U. student government passes resolution to change fight song

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  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    April 26, 2014 3:19 p.m.

    How absurd. No Ute, and now no song. You've offended me.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    April 25, 2014 5:48 p.m.

    The Ute fight song is sexist and should be changed. People hate change. The status quo is almost always preferred by the majority. But 100 years from now, no one will remember those who stood in the way of change. Is it a minor issue? Yes. Is it worth fixing this dinosaur of a song. Sure.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    April 25, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    Tators:
    I usually like your comments but maybe you don't know history as well as you think. The Utah fight song was written in 1904. Women would not receive the right to vote for another 16 years afterwards with the ratification of the 19th amendment in 1920.

    Doesn't matter in the end, this whole thing is ridiculous. I wish I could tell ute fans it gets better, but when you join hands with the most liberal conference in America and have to assimilate what did you expect? It will get worse before it gets better as the PC liberal agenda chips more and more away from your traditions, whether you have a contract with a tribe or not. Hope that 20 mill a year is worth it.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    April 25, 2014 7:58 a.m.

    What is so bad about those words?

  • Horses Star Spanish Fork, UT
    April 24, 2014 9:12 p.m.

    I have been a UTE since 1977 and I will continue to sing the song the right way and not the PC way. If you are offended by the Ute fight song, you need to get out more. I am sure that there are greater and more beneficial causes to consume your time and energy than worrying about a fight song.

  • JonNagle Upland, , CA
    April 24, 2014 3:56 p.m.

    As a Utah Alum I see the fight song is a tradition and should be viewed in the context of being 100 years old and therefore not of a contemporary nature or "sensitive" to all the PC nuances. Gee folks, that is what makes them a tradition. If you really are losing sleep about a couple of phrases as horrific as "our co-eds are the fairest" imagine being referred to as fair? I shudder at the reference and "Utah Man" could have it's origin about 100 years ago when the student body make up was such. Come on guys, if you are this sensitive life is really going to shake you up after you graduate. Person-Up and tough it out when you hear the song, most of you don't know all the words anyway, I know I didn't. Oh by the way, if you change the words or not North Korea and Putin will most likely not begin to behave themselves, Those solutions are not in the song book.

    It's a fight song not the keys to the kingdom. Laugh a little and enjoy traditions.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    April 24, 2014 1:36 p.m.

    This is absolutely the stupidest issue for the PC people to fight for at a time when there is a whole lot more serious problems going on in the country and world.

    And if this was an issue that was bad enough to promote a change the look out. The "Ute" as a mascot will be soon be under attack. That's what you get when liberals run the show. They are never happy with one victory. They are never happy. They will simply find something else that offends them to pick at.

    So, if the U of U student government took this seriously and still voted to change some of the words to the fight song, then they have, by default, made the proposed change "our students are the brightest," a total lie.

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    April 24, 2014 9:57 a.m.

    While I really don't care if they change the lyrics or not I would be lying if I didn't say that this amuses me to no end. lol

  • Hey It's Me Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2014 9:03 a.m.

    You're going to have to change the word "gang" as well because of the current meaning and activities of what gangs are in 2014. It was just in the news this week that Utah has a big gang problem. You don't want to be associated with that now do you? I am just trying to keep you one step ahead! Go Ohio State!

  • Hey It's Me Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    @Clark W. Griswald on page 4. . . . . .You got it right!!!! Love the comment and the extra ten seconds it took to investigate the word man in the dictionary! I agree all the way.

  • Carol G ROOSEVELT, UT
    April 23, 2014 10:17 p.m.

    I have a daughter attending the U, one that attended the Y, and several that attended USU. I'm proud of all of them and they all love their schools and their fight songs. The songs are strong because they are a bonding force between the current students and all of the alumni. Anyone offended by the lyrics of this song needs to get a life!

    One thing I would respectfully disagreewith Flashback, however, and his comment regarding the Ute Tribe. I am not Native American but know many who are. I respect them and the proud heritage they have. The U of U has honored them through their use of the title "Utes" and the Ute Tribe is Proud to have the University of Utah bear their name. Please don't mistake negotiations between two entities (the school and the Tribe) as being negative from either party. It just means they had negotiations just like any business dealing. Talking things out and written contracts are always helpful to prevent misunderstandings.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    April 23, 2014 8:36 p.m.

    Just change the lyrics to "A Utah Ma'am am I" then everybody's happy and no one is offended.

    Good grief, what a waste of people's time.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    April 23, 2014 8:29 p.m.

    This particular change is a mistake.

    It's not a big deal, but since we're splitting hairs:

    A fan of something has connotations of being an observer and supporter, whereas singing that I am a Utah Man correlates with deeper feelings of actually being a part of our great state and it's flagship university.

    In an attempt to be more "inclusive" the change, in a way, does the opposite.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    April 23, 2014 8:15 p.m.

    Go U

    If you're going to claim to be the flagship public university of the state, then U should start acting like it by entering the 21st century and updating your archaic, silly, politically incorrect, fight song. Some of the more enlightened students on the hill have seen the light; now the rest of U need to follow their lead.

  • Go Utes! Go Yale! Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2014 6:36 p.m.

    Ute Buster,

    Sorry to break it to ya, but you're wrong. UVU has a long way to go. Being the flagship university of the state of Utah, has a lot less to do with winning sports competitions in a power conference, and a lot more to do with the complete package of the university, than you may realize or care to admit.

    Besides, there's only one institution in this great state that actually reads, "University OF Utah." Think about it.

  • cowshed Provo, Utah
    April 23, 2014 6:28 p.m.

    As a holder of two degrees from the U, I have a right to weigh in on this issue. It seems to me that the use of the word "fan" could be offensive to the minority who aren't that interested in sports. And to insist that our students are "the brightest" is sure to offend the minority who are mediocre students. In fact, since the name of the university as well as the state (not to mention the subject fight song, comes from the name of a native American tribe, don't we have to get permission from tribe members to use the name? And how about the other state and city names that come from Native American words, such as Minnesota, and thousands of others? Shouldn't we at least be negotiating with the tribe members to pay royalties for the use of those names? And while I'm at it, shouldn't I be offended at people who are not native English speakers, who have difficulty pronouncing my family surname, which comes from England? Sorry, but I only have a few words left; otherwise I could go on all night.

  • TimBehrend Auckland NZ, 00
    April 23, 2014 6:26 p.m.

    arand: I guess we will have to change a lot of scientific books that say "when Man first walked the earth". Have we really become that PC? We are destroying our culture from the inside out.

    I take it you haven't read a 'scientific' book in a while. The change in usage happened a long time ago - an entire generation, i would say. You've fallen behind. "When humans first walked the earth" is the gender neutral way of saying the same thing, and it's what you'll read in the vast majority of non-tendentious writing today. If you're looking for a campaign, I think what you want to be fighting now is the replacement of the Christian-sounding AD/BC with CE/BCE, though this, too, is already pretty much a fait accompli in the centres of cultural power.

  • Ute buster Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2014 5:36 p.m.

    UoU 1991,
    The public university that is the flagship of the state is now UVU. Sorry to break the news to you. Power conference affiliation means nothing when you don't compete, all season long, in all major sports.

    If BYU was a public university then they would be the flagship of the state.

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    April 23, 2014 4:54 p.m.

    I heard on the radio this afternoon that the student body officers who voted to change Utah's fight song have been receiving threats of physical violence - that's just sad that supporters of the flagship public university of Utah would even consider hurting someone over changing three words of a song.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 23, 2014 4:46 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    Unfortunately, the "majority" of Americans who voted for the representatives, who are responsible for Obama-care, were hoodwinked into voting for those same representatives a second time, thus preventing Obama-care from being repealed.

    As far as Utah's fight song goes, the issues have been discussed in the Chronicle, the Trib, the DN, KSL News, Fox News, on Twitter and on Facebook. This isn't a surprise to anybody who's been paying attention and it certainly isn't something that was decided on the spur of the moment.

    Just because the majority of students and alumni object to the changes doesn't mean the fight song shouldn't be changed. Ever heard of the tyranny of the majority? Do a little research and you'll discover that the majority isn't always right.

  • Utah rules Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2014 3:50 p.m.

    But, but, but.......we are in a power conference. We should have power to do what ever we want and ignore the fan base. I guess being in a so-called power conference does not mean much.
    Can we go back to the WAC so we can compete?

  • colleen peters Portage, MI
    April 23, 2014 3:15 p.m.

    Nothing more important to discuss?? I am a woman (Utah Man ) and proud to have been "one of the prettiest girls in the land" so how trivial can we get?? I'm proud of both points in the fight song.

  • Solomon the Wise Alpine, UT
    April 23, 2014 3:04 p.m.

    Sometimes protecting the house means having the serenity to accept the things we cannot change, the courage to change the things we can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    April 23, 2014 3:01 p.m.

    @ Just the "FACTS"

    "What's the point of having an elected student council if they're not allowed to actually do anything without receiving approval from the entire studentbody and all alumni?"

    Do you agree with Obamacare? That legislation occurred behind closed doors and the American people had no voice on the matter. Guess what? The American people now have to live with the consequences of paying higher premiums and losing their current health plans. Our elected government officials lied to us about Obamacare and people are finding out that those promises aren't true.

    Just because people are elected doesn't mean they can do whatever they want. They need to be held accountable to the American people like this student government should be held accountable to the student body. The ASUU shouldn't do whatever they want with out the majority of the student body on their side.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    April 23, 2014 2:55 p.m.

    ClarkHippo

    Now you're just being silly.

    The BYU Cougar is, and always has been, simply the cat. It's clear from the song, the mascot, the branding, and everything associated with the BYU Cougar that it has absolutely nothing to do with some recently coined derogatory term.

    Anybody trying to make that connection is simply being silly.

  • Protecting This House Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2014 2:48 p.m.

    Political correctness should be abolished. Sing the fight song because you're a student, and if words in the song offend you, then transfer to another school. Or, stay in school, and don't sing the fight song. It's as simple as that, really.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 23, 2014 2:41 p.m.

    Fitz

    What's the point of having an elected student council if they're not allowed to actually do anything without receiving approval from the entire studentbody and all alumni?

    Isn't that what representative government is all about - 100 Senators and 435 House of Representatives making decisions for an entire nation of 317 million people?

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    April 23, 2014 2:31 p.m.

    As long as we're changing things to make sure no one is offended, some people find the term "Cougar" offensive, so maybe BYU should get rid of the Cougar mascot, which in turn means they'll have to change their fight song too since they can't sing, "Rise and shout the Cougars are out," anymore.

    Perhaps the U of U should change their mascot from the Runnin' Utes to something like the Red fronted Macaw. It's an endangered specie, so who could possibly find that offensive? They then can pen a new new fight song based on the Macaw.

    Meanwhile, the Y can replace the Cougar with the Blue Bird of Paradise also an endangered specie. Doesn't that sound like a nice, pleasant, harmonious, non-offensive, mascot name?

  • Fitz Murray, UT
    April 23, 2014 2:19 p.m.

    It just seems wrong that 46 student body leaders can take vote and then ask the U President to change a century old tradition is the U's Fight Song. They say the represent the tens of thousands of students currently enrolled, but is unlikely that the whole of the student body agrees with this recommendation. The reported threats they have received, enough to the point that campus police went to the meeting, should be a clear indication that it is not liked by all. But this suggested change also has to include the hundreds of thousands of alumni, they have every right to support and defend the Fight Song they remember as a part of their education.

    I consider this issue to be trivial, but something that should be addressed. A recommendation from 46 students does not carry any weight when one considers the negative reception of the idea from many in the student body and the alumni have been totally left out of the issue. If the U's President did the right thing, he would find a diplomatic way to kill the issue.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    April 23, 2014 1:23 p.m.

    Hey Ute fans, how about this?

    O Rise and Shout, the Utes are out
    Along the trail to fame and glory.
    Rise and shout, our cheers will ring out,
    As you unfold your vict'ry story.

    Sound good to you?

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2014 1:21 p.m.

    Max

    "It's offensive only to those looking to be offended."

    The exact same thing could be said of any racial, ethnic, religious, gender, or other "protected" group slur.

    Just because you're not offended doesn't make it any less offensive to those who are.

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2014 1:14 p.m.

    Tators

    So, does Disney pay you royalties every time they come out with another movie or action figure involving Pocahontas?

    ------------------

    It seems that Utah has addressed these fight song issues on many occassions, but continue to kick the problem down the road, only to resurface again. Maybe it's time to fix the problem once and for all.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    April 23, 2014 1:08 p.m.

    @ ImaUteFan:

    Spoken just like an ultra-Ute fan or man or whatever is now relevant. Why is it that you and a few others like you always assume that anyone who doesn't claim Utah as their school is automatically assumed to be a BYU fan. I didn't read where souptwins made any reference about BYU. You may not realize this in your obviously closed-in world, but there really are a lot of other colleges out there besides Utah and BYU. The world doesn't revolve around just 2 schools. Souptwins could easily be a UVU, USU or even a Weber State alumni.

    And to think that your definition of irony excludes the fact that you yourself have many times in the past posted on BYU articles. People who live in glass houses... Well, you know how that saying goes. So it wouldn't be ironic if some stones got thrown back toward you.

  • chicagoborn Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2014 1:07 p.m.

    I don't see why people are getting so offended over the the fight song. This is just a pointless as the Utah hot/cold tub dunking "fiasco" where people got offended over nothing.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    April 23, 2014 12:50 p.m.

    @ I Still Can't Say It:

    History obviously isn't one of your strengths. This may be news to you, but women actually did own land, vote and went to college when the fight song was first made. The main difference between people back then and people now is that back then, they didn't run around worrying about political correctness so much. Actual school spirit and common sense were more important.

    Not every change is for betterment. We're progressing on a technological level, but certainly not on a common sense level. We keep trying to change the Constitution of the United States when it's actually our current way of thinking that should be changed to match the common sense level of our forefathers. We keep creating many of our own problems with this political correctness garbage.

    @ mussingaround:

    Concerning your idea of using Pocahontas as the school mascot... Since the current school president is so willing to pay others for the use of the Ute name, and since I am a direct descendant of of Pocahontas, I will expect to find an offer in the mail or a school delegation visit to present an offer.

  • John Locke Ivins, , UT
    April 23, 2014 12:31 p.m.

    If I live to be 100, there will continue to be politically correct language changes, which will be upsetting to me, and this is one of them. As a U grad, tradition is not the same, with the Ute Tribe blackmailing the university in order to use their tribal name, and now with some supposedly "feelings hurt" young women on campus wanting to change a song that has been sung for 100 years...?

    What is next, they will arrest you for not singing the new song...or only women will sing it at games?

    Shouldn't they have a vote of the entire student body and the Alumni in order to make this change? Why should some council or one person have all of the votes?

    Again, another example of the minorities ruling...and they take every opportunity to show that they are. And the "brightest" young women? Harvard coeds might object to that one. I can just hear it now, "They are not the prettiest, but they are the brightest...not"

    Today the Utah Fight Song, next year, the Bible...and the beat goes on. When are we going to hit the brakes on stuff like this?

  • Max Upstate, NY
    April 23, 2014 12:25 p.m.

    It's offensive only to those looking to be offended.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2014 12:14 p.m.

    If anything s/b changed, altered, abolished, then its that ridiculous alphabetic hand gesture... save it for the thugs in Coral Gables.

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    April 23, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    This is a first. I truly believe it's the first time there has ever been a U of U article comment by Chris B that he hasn't found a way to blame or condemn BYU for something. Amazing and yet refreshing. There is yet hope.

    If the Ute students are so bright, as the suggested song change says, then why has it taken them over a hundred years to propose this change that seems to bother or offend them so much?

    I hope people on the hill realize how laughable this entire silly scenario is to the rest of the academic world. It's as if there aren't enough other more noteworthy causes needing attention in the world. This one will soon become a target of the late night TV comics if it hasn't already. As a previous comment noted, things now being done in the name of political correctness are sometimes reaching the level of absurd. This is a prime example.

    It's little wonder recent college graduates are having such a hard time finding jobs. This makes it obvious that they lack sufficient real-world common sense.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2014 12:08 p.m.

    @mussingaround
    "Since Utah has had a masculine bent for over a hundred years, using a Disney princess for the next hundred years would even the score - Pocahontas seems like a natural fit."

    We'll reach a bowl, just around the riverbend.

    @TheSportsAuthority
    "Utah's fight song has been a laughing stock for years - Utah fan's have just been too blind to see it."

    It's always reminded me of the Jolly Green Giant.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    April 23, 2014 11:51 a.m.

    How in any way, shape, or form can anyone say these two statements are offensive or divisive. What is offensive is that someone spent any time worrying about this. I certainly think Utah co-eds are the fairest and I am proud to be a Utah Man.
    Go Utes!

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    April 23, 2014 11:50 a.m.

    souptwins - Spoken like a true Cougar fan.

    Your statement "but it's not my team so never cared a whole lot either way" yet you continue to post on articles about the Utes. Now THAT is ironic.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    April 23, 2014 11:48 a.m.

    All this Ute angst is ... funny.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 23, 2014 11:48 a.m.

    Congratulations to the ASUU. You've now ensured that the words that will be sung the loudest by the MUSS will "a Utah MAN am I!" instead of "no other gang of college men dare meet us in THE MUSS!"

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    April 23, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    Sports Authority-- Best post yet!! I remember reading that article but nice job on finding the reference (didn't care enough to do it myself). I always thought the song was lame and condescending and cheesy but it's not my team so never cared a whole lot either way. It just always seemed odd that a school who claimed to be so on top of all things modern wouldn't have seen a problem years ago. The irony is alarming.
    IamaUtahFan--- If it wouldn't bother you to change your screen name to "man", why did you choose "fan" in the first place? And if that doesn't bother you, why should it bother anyone for the song to now be changed to fan? Just another interesting irony.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    April 23, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    howard s.

    "Leave "man" alone... It's gender generic as in mankind."

    You're spinning.

    U and I and everybody else knows that "mankind" is NOT the first, second, or even tenth thing that comes to mind when "A Utah Man" is sung.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    April 23, 2014 11:03 a.m.

    This quote, from writer Rick Reilly and published in a recent [ca. 2000] edition of Sports Illustrated, may stir some red University of Utah blood:

    "I just love fight songs," Reilly elaborates. "I, however, hate Utah's: 'I'm a Utah man sir, and I live across the green. Our gang it is the jolliest that you have ever seen.' That stirs the ol' blood, eh? Can't you see the Utes' coach at halftime? 'Dadgummit, gang, we're losin' 51-7! Now get out there and get jolly!' "

    Utah's fight song has been a laughing stock for years - Utah fan's have just been too blind to see it.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 23, 2014 10:54 a.m.

    UoU 1991

    "What's so wrong with "A Utah Fan Am I"?"

    It's not "manly" enough.

  • Jeremy234 SLC, UT
    April 23, 2014 10:54 a.m.

    Although I disagree with this initiative, I would like to know what some of the posters on here are doing to fix the more pressing problems in the world since they seem so concerned that the U's student government (seriously it's a student government!) aren't doing more to bring about world peace, end global hunger or whatever else.

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    April 23, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    I don't see how changing a few words in the fight song is going to destroy a hundred years of tradition?

    The lyrics have obviously bothered some Utah fans for years, since there were attempted in the 80's and early 2000's to change the lyrics.

    See May 25, 2006 Daily Utah Chronicle article: "Utah Man’ fight song is off-pitch for some fans"

    A quote from the article: "Students, faculty, alumni and media have labeled the fight song Utah Man" as sexist, old fashioned, difficult, offensive and dated."

    If the song is offensive to some, change it.

    What's so wrong with "A Utah Fan Am I"?

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    April 23, 2014 10:39 a.m.

    Utah person...Utah person am I...

    I've been walking around the house singing the above...

    I'm beginning to like it...

    No really...

    You can dance to it...

    I'd give it a 10.

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    April 23, 2014 10:29 a.m.

    @ TimBehrend

    Oxford Dictionary defines "Man" as:

    1. "A human being of either sex; a person"

    2. "Human beings in general; the human race"

    Dictionary dot com has a similar definition to "Man":

    1. "a member of the species Homo sapiens or all the members of this species collectively, without regard to sex"

    2. "the human individual as representing the species, without reference to sex; the human race; humankind"

    The word "Man" sounds pretty inclusive to me. The student governments seems to be the ones stomping their feet, having a temper tantrum, and claiming discrimination over something as silly as a school fight song. There are more important issues in this world then a song.

    If these women in the student government are really that offended by the word "Man". Then they need to change the name of their own gender first. After all it has the word "Man" in it....."woMAN", "woMEN", "feMALE", ect.

    Leave the fight song alone!

  • babyR Salt Lake, UT
    April 23, 2014 10:27 a.m.

    Once again there has been "much ado about nothing." Doesn't the Student Government have anything more important to do? Perhaps they should go the same way as the words to "Utah man."
    Maybe this will give BYU paws (sp. intended) to think about singing "Rise and Shout, the MEN and WOMEN" are out. Are we really Cougars? Political correctness mostly is another name for plain silliness! Where oh where has common sense gone??? Oh, I know, it is dead and gone.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    April 23, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    JoCo Ute
    Grants Pass, OR

    "Here's an idea for a new song for the student body government resolution. It's an old one and we all know the words. M I C K E Y M O U S E"

    Maybe you're on to something.

    The Oregon Ducks have already established a PAC 12 precedent of using a Disney character as a mascot; maybe Utah could be next. Since Utah has had a masculine bent for over a hundred years, using a Disney princess for the next hundred years would even the score - Pocahontas seems like a natural fit.

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    April 23, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    Changing the fight school is the right thing to do to make it relevant in today's world. Sorry, "men," it ain't the early 1900s any more. Women can own land, vote, and go to college now.

    It's only a few words in the song so it's not the end of the world. ASUU showed leadership and had the courage to do the right thing.

  • Boo in Boston Boston, MA
    April 23, 2014 10:15 a.m.

    Solomon Levi must be spinning in his grave, tra-la-la-la-la!

  • Chris B's momma Idaho Falls, ID
    April 23, 2014 10:14 a.m.

    You changed the mascot to a bird. Why not just do bird calls for your fight song?

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2014 10:14 a.m.

    Just the latest attempt to divert attention away from another bowl less football season and K Whit's final season as head coach.

  • Andy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 23, 2014 10:06 a.m.

    Mr. Ortiz should note how divisive changing the song is to the alumni. No one is in favor of it.

    I'm not sure why, but the U student body is intent on offending the alumni. I recall Jon Huntsman being ridiculed in the Daily Chronicle for being selected to speak at graduation. As I recall it was because he is LDS. Mr. Huntsman actually had to defend his good name and note for the school that he had never been treated so poorly as he had at the U. Pathetic.

    The If we really want to improve the U we should significantly shrink the humanities and soft science departments and spend funds on research. More productive and less controversy.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    April 23, 2014 9:54 a.m.

    Some things are stupid, some things are idiotic.

    This is both

  • Mtn Tracker Ephraim, UT
    April 23, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    To all those who say they are no longer donating to the U because of this. Don't worry, the PAC 12 and it's schools totally agree with this change. Schools the pac 12 represent have all made changes like this as well. Your schools is in good hands.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    April 23, 2014 9:45 a.m.

    USAlover

    I'm more troubled by oxymoronic terms like "giant shrimp".

    btw, this is nothing new; the Utes have been talking about changing their fight song since the 80's and they already changed their nickname.

  • Dante Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2014 9:43 a.m.

    I regret that this silly, PC issue has divided our University community. Some traditions are worth perpetuating. I'm weary of re-writing history and tradition to suit the endlessly offended. However this question is resolved, many alumni donors will feel either a rush of pride or a twinge of resentment every time they stand to sing at the games they attend. Appreciation opens more wallets than resentment.

  • pleblian salt lake city, utah
    April 23, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    This decision by the student government really just highlights how superfluous they are.

    They put forth nothing of substance for the well-being of the student body and effect no pressue on the University of Utah to address real issues such as tuition increases, majors that do not lead to employment, and debt education.

    They just want to pad a resume with fluff.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2014 9:41 a.m.

    @Blue Collar
    "How in the world is " a Utah man am I " divisive?"

    Half the school can't even sing it without being factually wrong at that phrase.

  • NT SomewhereIn, UT
    April 23, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    How about asking the hundreds of thousands of alumni - and donors - how they would vote on this matter. Shouldn't they all have an "equal" vote?

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    April 23, 2014 9:31 a.m.

    iron&clay

    "I have heard from objective observers that the BYU coeds were the fairest of them all."

    And brightest!

    Business Insider: April 2, 2014

    "25 Colleges Where Students Are Both Hot And Smart"

    #1 - BYU
    #15 - BYU-Idaho

    Maybe BYU and Utah could trade... nah, silly idea!

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    Must be really slow on the hill nowadays if the only thing worth discussing is political correctness.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2014 9:17 a.m.

    I'm actually more troubled by the fact we drive on "parkways" and park on "driveways". Things like this need to be changed (note:sarcasm)

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 23, 2014 9:15 a.m.

    The coed line has been changed before... It used to be maidens not coeds.

    That line can be easily changed to "... our scholars are the brightest and each one's a shining star..."

    Leave "man" alone... It's gender generic as in mankind.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    April 23, 2014 9:09 a.m.

    I have heard from objective observers that the BYU coeds were the fairest of them all.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    April 23, 2014 9:04 a.m.

    How does one small student government get to change a song that impacts tens of thousands of alumni and Ute fans?

    I'm really not that upset about the change, my daughter has attended games with me for years and often asked why the song was "Utah man" as it was mildly annoying to her as a diehard Ute fan.

    What bothers me most is student government alone should not be allowed to make this change. A board of alumni, faculty, the board of regents, and others should have a vote in this process. Teenage kids and young adults who are only a small part of the U of U community should not be making decisions in a vacuum.

  • Tajemnica West Valley, Utah
    April 23, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    Chris B where have you been? I have missed you so. Good to see you on here again. Batman is nothing without the Joker. Tom is nothing without Jerry. Spiderman is nothing without the green goblin. The Red Sox are nothing without the Yankees...and I am nothing without you. (Although for once I agree with your opinion.)

  • Shawnm750 West Jordan, UT
    April 23, 2014 9:02 a.m.

    The song changes still have to be approved by the University President and Board of Trustees, the Alumni and the entire student body...so hopefully those groups combined will have enough sense to not change it without a real discussion. Sorry, but student government is kind of a joke, especially at the collegiate level. Rather than actually representing the student body, it serves more to look good on a resume.

    So, congratulations Sam Ortiz! Now you can tell future employers how effective you were in getting this resolution passed, and how you fought for equality and civility during your administration (whether or not the song actually gets changed or not...)

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    April 23, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    1st World problems.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    April 23, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    looks like one of the local schools is losing their identity...
    1st the football team went south, then the basketball team became the schools flagship sport...
    then the fight song is being changed, and I am sure the mascot will follow shortly...

    no big deal though... they don't really care about tradition anyway...

    LOL

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2014 8:32 a.m.

    I am a Utah graduate also. I have only met one person in forty years who could actually sing the fight song anyway so I don't see this will make much of a difference. Sure lots of people join in on the "Utah man sir, Utah man am I" part (only lyrically unique part of the song) but the rest of it is always just mumbled or talked over. Tempest in a tea cup really.

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    April 23, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    souptwins - My screen name has been "ImaUteFan" for years now, long before there was any controversy over the lyrics of the school song.

    But I'm willing to change it from "Fan" to "Man" if it will make you feel better.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2014 8:24 a.m.

    A Utah Fan Am I!

    da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-DA

    DAH-DA!

    Ironically, the only part of the song that most fans sing, is the part they want to change.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    April 23, 2014 8:23 a.m.

    Maybe the PAC 12 demanded the change.

    I agree with the post about Corner Canyon High's name. The Corner Canyon Cougars would have been a great name. When I think of Cougar, I don't think of an older woman chasing a younger man. I think of the animal. You know like BYU COUGAR, KEARNS HIGH COUGAR.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    April 23, 2014 8:19 a.m.

    I'm a Y fan but I learned the song Utah Man in 8th grade in Boys Glee. Still doesn't mean that I like the U even though I'm an alum.

    It escapes me how the words "Utah Man" and "Coeds are the fairest and each one's a shining star" are the least bit offensive. If the students would expand their minds (like they are supposed to do at a university) to realize that fairest doesn't describe skin color, but describes the demeanor and personality, and intellect of the ladies who attend the U. Even though as an alum, I'm not a fan, I technically am a Utah Man.

    Again another prime example of political correctness run amok. The same type of political correctness that allows the Ute Tribe to blackmail the U for the use of the name Ute. I don't mind giving scholarships and assistance to tribal members that deserve it to further their edumacation because that is the right thing to do. I just don't appreciate the shakedown.

  • Strong Man Eau Claire, WI
    April 23, 2014 8:06 a.m.

    Folks, it's not about the word "fairest"... Puhleeeeeeeeze. It's about the word CO-ED. Sheeeesh!

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    April 23, 2014 8:05 a.m.

    Maybe U could just use the original words to "Solomon Levi", Utah's Fight Song:

    Oh, my name is Solomon Levi
    I am a velly good man
    I'll sell you a suit of klo-zes,
    So sheep as ever I can.

    My wife's name is Rachel,
    She's nothing but a sham,
    And every time she gets a chance
    She slugs me if she can.

    So help me jimminey moses
    To sell you a suit of klo-zes;
    I live way up on Market Street
    Number One hundred Twenty-nine.

    And it's kal-uh-ma, kal-uh-ma cinda,
    I will meet you at the kavinda,
    Kal-uh-ma cinda cinda cinda,
    A-hosta, ka-zista, ka-zay!

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    Of course, U would have to change the name of the MUSS to KAVINDA.

    A-hosta, ka-zista, ka-zay!

    Go PC correct whatever-we-ares!

  • arand Huntsville, u
    April 23, 2014 7:58 a.m.

    I guess we will have to change a lot of scientific books that say "when Man first walked the earth". Have we really become that PC? We are destroying our culture from the inside out.

  • Peeves Portland, OR
    April 23, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    I'm offended that they voted to change it. Does that mean by their own requirements they have to bow down to me?

  • PACute_ Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 23, 2014 7:54 a.m.

    In the politically correct world of the left coast conference, this PC wave was bound to happen, soon or later.

    The only thing that's really surprising is that Utah is acting unilaterally in dealing with their non-PC nickname and fight song, instead of waiting for the conference PC police to come after them.

  • AZCoug Mesa, AZ
    April 23, 2014 7:49 a.m.

    My wife, an ASU coed, suggests President Pershing require a vote of the entire Utah student body before deciding on such a departure from more than 100 years of student tradition. I doubt there are enough people offended by these words to even form a simple majority of the student population. Was any opinion polling done? What did these student "representatives" base their votes on? My wife also pointed out that the lyrics "fairest coeds" shows that Utah had female students more than 100 years ago, unlike many universities of that time. A long history of leadership and progressiveness, nothing for the current student population to be ashamed of or offended by!

  • Eldo Bountiful, UT
    April 23, 2014 7:41 a.m.

    I would like to thank the University student government for helping to make my decision on donations this year. I will no longer be renewing my U license plate, and rather than donate to the University scholarship funds, will donate to someone that does not bow to the PC police.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    April 23, 2014 7:40 a.m.

    Unbelievable. Here's hoping it remains the same.

  • SallyOMalley Bozeman, MT
    April 23, 2014 7:35 a.m.

    This whole thing is silly. You know in Michigan, they made/are making all the public schools and universities change their mascots if they are/were in any way American Indian related, even though many of the Indian Nations said they weren't offensive. It's only a matter of time, though it sounds ridiculous now, that you won't be able to have animals for mascots because the animals may be offended - mark my words.

  • CBAX Provo, UT
    April 23, 2014 7:35 a.m.

    Corner Canyon High School.

    Administrators and leaders in that district should feel bad.

  • shadow01 Edwardsville, IL
    April 23, 2014 7:35 a.m.

    What really surprises me is how long the U. has been able to sneak under the radar of the Political Correctness Stazi.
    I hope nobody took offense at having the females described as the fairest as much as having them labeled Co-eds. When the term first came about it meant the women attending the school. Men were students and women were co-eds. Men had to learn to have a decent career; women were just attending classes for something to do. The Men needed to succeed the women did not.
    Come on….It’s just a song and now the lyrics will be changed to something like:
    “We are non-gender specific people of a generic western box shaped state” and “our non-gender specific students are generically attributed to be in the top quartile of fairness”
    However, I have no Idea how those lyrics would fit with the music. Get some Ideas from Studio-C.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 23, 2014 7:35 a.m.

    They railroaded it through even thou the fans didn't want it. It's the Liberal way. The ASUU would make Pelosi, Reid and Obama proud.

  • Blue Collar Huntington, UT
    April 23, 2014 7:29 a.m.

    Chris B
    You are correct, these student leaders don't speak for you and many others. But they do speak for the University that you keep cheering for. I can't understand how conservative people like your self can cheer for a liberal school like Utah and at the same time bad mouth a good conservative school just down the road. Oh well keep drinking the kool aid and cheering for a liberal, politically correct school.
    To the students that want to change this, I have a question. How in the world is " a Utah man am I " divisive? What a joke! I can't stand your fight song but not because it is divisive or exclusive or offensive. Go solve a real problem in life.

  • sixpacktr Murfreesboro, TN
    April 23, 2014 7:21 a.m.

    This is just another result of the government indoctrination that happens in our public schools, over the airwaves, etc. People choose to be offended. It seems nowadays if 1 is offended, for whatever reason, then everyone has to change.

    I'm a proud BYU fan, and could not care less what happens at the U, but seriously? People are up in arms over a SONG? Welcome to NEWSPEAK.

  • Trainman Ivins, UT
    April 23, 2014 7:17 a.m.

    Clearly the students at the U of U don't have enough school work to do, and are spending too much time on trivial activities.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    April 23, 2014 7:03 a.m.

    It is interesting how our song suddenly becomes controversial after 100 years as student leaders try to out PC each other. Sorry, but I cannot see how being called the "fairest" is offensive. If this is what they are teaching at the U, maybe it is time to stop donating to the U and find a school where students have something important to do.

  • TwinsGuy Savage, MN
    April 23, 2014 6:40 a.m.

    Ya gotta love these Millenials - so focused on the things that don't matter while totally ignoring the real problems in the world...

  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    April 23, 2014 6:39 a.m.

    While we're at it, let's change every instance of "mankind" in the writings of famous authors and politicians to "humankind" and... No, better; let's change the word "human" to "huperson". Let's also do something about that chauvanist woman-hating term "homo sapien". "Thinking -man-", really?

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    April 23, 2014 6:17 a.m.

    The Utes have changed their policially incorrect name (Redskins) and their mascot (Crimson Warrior). Changing their politically incorrect fight song will just about complete the transformation. About that helmut decoration....

  • md Cache, UT
    April 23, 2014 6:12 a.m.

    I concur with most of the comments already posted. Other than Kralon, I have no idea what that comment means.

    The UofU has received a lot of money from alums like me. The operant term is 'has'. I won't give them another dime. The kids in student government can't see the forest through the trees. They choose to focus on the word fairest? Really? What a waste of time and energy.

    They should be focusing on real issues. How about killing true racism at the state-funded University? Get rid of quotas and preferential treatment of applicants who are black or brown. Admit the smartest, best prepared students, regardless of their skin color, gender, religion, etc. Affirmative action died in Michigan because voters saw this plan as it is...a failed attempt at elevating the status of minorities by discriminating against members of the majority.

    Wake up UofU student government! You are an embarrassment to those of us who graduated from that school.

  • TimBehrend Auckland NZ, 00
    April 23, 2014 5:53 a.m.

    Am glad to see these changes made in the interest of inclusiveness and formally rejecting the notion that males are superior despite a hundred years tradition. Never an easy thing to accomplish. Or quick.

    Am not surprised by all the childish reactions, pouting, foot stamping whose ultimate purpose is to bully people who are campaigning for all of us to be kinder and more respectful.If it will make you Ute blokes feel more masculine, you could always go have a meal at Chick-fil-A.

    I'm sure many of those students at the U concerned over issues of gender equality are also active in some other areas that letter writers are concerned about. Activists in one area tend to be active in other, similar areas of social and political concern.

  • Cosmo1974 Woods Cross, UT
    April 23, 2014 4:52 a.m.

    Seriously?!

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    April 23, 2014 12:31 a.m.

    Absolutely ridiculous. Pretty soon my Utes will be the Red Birds or something worse. We live in a society now where everyone needs a trophy without earning one.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 22, 2014 11:46 p.m.

    Pathetic leadership. The song should have stayed.

  • RonBergundy SANDY, UT
    April 22, 2014 11:36 p.m.

    Guess BYU had better change their mascot since the word "Cougar" has a bad connotation. Oh wait, that was the Corner Canyon High School that already did that.

  • FromSunnyStGeorge ST GEORGE, UT
    April 22, 2014 11:29 p.m.

    I'm really trying to find a reason to care about this. Wait... there might be a part of me that cares... nope. Nothing.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    April 22, 2014 11:09 p.m.

    It's a silly, stupid song. I've probably been to more Utah sporting events than all the posters on this blog put together and it matters nada to me. We had our own version of the song anyways that we use to tease the Zoo fans with. Let the kids sing whatever they want.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    April 22, 2014 11:01 p.m.

    ImaUteFan-- I find your message ironic when your screen name uses "fan" instead of "man". Isn't that what most are proposing the lyrics be changed to?

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    April 22, 2014 10:55 p.m.

    Political correctness is killing this country. I'm a girl and have never been offended in any way by the words of the Utah fight song. In fact, I love it and am proud to sing it when I attend games.

    This is totally L-A-M-E.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    April 22, 2014 10:51 p.m.

    Good luck to this generation now in school, just as our generation did, you will create a world where others who have gone before would not like to be!

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    April 22, 2014 10:47 p.m.

    Here's an idea for a new song for the student body government resolution. It's an old one and we all know the words. M I C K E Y M O U S E

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    April 22, 2014 10:40 p.m.

    This is one of the few times I agree with Chris B -

    We have become a society of panty waists. A bunch of shrinking daffodils. Yes - we choose to be offended. And we have allowed a small minority to rule over the masses.

    It offends me that this kind of nonsense is happening. What, are we supposed to sing, "A Utah Person I Am"??? Good grief.

  • Judith D. Los Angeles, CA
    April 22, 2014 10:23 p.m.

    The people of North Korea have been living under inhumane conditions for generations. Russia seems intent on recreating the Soviet Union and Cold War. Around 25,00 children die each day due to poverty. And yet the young people at the U are up in arm about the word "fairest"? Please, children (and you are children), focus your energies on something important. How utterly disappointing you are to alum like myself.

  • Filthy Kuffar Spanish Fork, UT
    April 22, 2014 10:17 p.m.

    Political correctness run amok.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    April 22, 2014 10:15 p.m.

    People choose to be offended.

    And these student "leaders" certainly don't speak for me. I'm a proud Ute who will NEVER sing a changed version.

    This is PC just going overboard.

    Anyone who is offended by the fight song - go find a new school to cheer for, we don't want you.