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Published: Tuesday, April 22 2014 9:40 p.m. MDT

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samhill
Salt Lake City, UT

It is wonderful to see some of the institutionalism of racism, sexism and other "isms" that have seeped into our judicial and governmental systems over the past few decades start getting reversed.

It is a major step toward the day dreamed of by Martin Luther King, myself and many people, when we will be judged based on the content of our **individual** character and behavior, rather than arbitrary characteristics of one kind of group identity or another. When we will each be acknowledged as unique human beings with equal, Creator-given rights, each a minority of one.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Yes, Dr. King would be proud indeed!

If its racist to discriminate against blacks in favor of white because blacks are black and whites are white, then its racist to discriminate against whites for being white in favor of blacks.

Its not complicated liberals!

Racism is racism

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Yes, Dr. King would be proud indeed!"

And, he'll be just as proud when the Supreme Court, perhaps even the 10th Circuit, applies the same reasoning to Utah's Amendment 2, upholding it because "[t]here is no authority in the Constitution of the United States or in this Court’s precedents for the Judiciary to set aside [Utah] laws that commit this policy determination to the voters."

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

As noted in previous posts, racism is racism, discrimination is discrimination, and we are each a minority of one, with inalienable rights. This bodes well for same sex marriage.

Mainly Me
Werribee, 00

It's about time that some common sense crept back into the courts.

Anti Government
Alpine, UT

"The decision is a setback for diversity advocates"

Translation? This is a setback for academically less qualified students.

Its about time.

Fascinating the definitions liberals come up with to suit their political agendas. Reverse racism is A-OK as long as they believe they can buy a vote with it.

I sure hope minorities soon realize they are the unfortunate political pawns of liberals. Fact check dot org even says poverty has worsened under the obama administration. How could that be you ask? They lined up in droves to vote for the man because he was their savior yet they are all worse off.

I sincerely hope these people realize that lining up for supposed political "gifts" and "freebies" just further enslaves them.

Allowing someone into a university when they are less qualified is the same thing is hiring someone less competent to do a job. The business and/or the university don't benefit from lowering the bar.

Diversity is nothing but a politically correct way that democrats buy political votes and ultimately destroy our society. You are not strengthened as a nation by adopting ideologies from countries these people are scrambling to get away from. Duh.

southmtnman
Provo, UT

Why turn this into a "bash liberals" thing?

Are we as conservatives that insecure and desperate?

Argue the merits of affirmative action or not, but don't stoop to such partisan labels and simple-minded bashing, please.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Hutterite,

Do you agree that affirmative action is racism?

Are you against affirmative action? Just curious

Or did you just want to spin this into gay marriage, even though its not relevant to the story

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

According to the Harvard Law review . . . " it has long been documented that Asian-Americans need higher SAT scores than their white counterparts to get into top colleges. One study even suggested that on the old 1600-point SAT scale, “Asian-Americans needed SAT scores that were about 140 points higher than white students, all other quantifiable variables being equal, to get into elite schools.”

It's really too bad that underqualified Whites consistently displace much more qualified Asians at top colleges, don't you think?

Anti-government - Why should "academically unqualfied" white students weasel their way in to top colleges, when they are completely undeserving?

Chris B - " . . . its racist to discriminate against whites for being white in favor of blacks."

And it's just as racist to discriminate against Asians in favor of undeserving Whites.

It's not complicated Conservatives.

"Racism is racism."

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

You may not want to have reversed that since white people will be a minority very soon. But have it your way. Don't complain when the Chinese owned company your grandchildren want a job with only hires Asians.

Affirmative action was never anything more than striving to have a population of a college or employer be the same as the demographics of the population.

70% white population = 70% students were white. 12% black population = 12% students were black.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

gary,

And yet isn't it interesting I've never heard a white person defend the racism against Asians when a white is given preferential treatment over an Asian - and in fact if its true it something most of us don't know exists. If it does - I'm against is as I'm against racism.

I could use excuses like "I just want equal opportunity as the Asians" or "the system is built to discriminate against whites and help Asians" but I wont use those - again - as I'm against racism.

I'm glad we don't hear those poor and inexcusable excuses from the white population to justify racism. All my white friends and myself are against racism.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

GaryO, I completely agree with your arguments that the Asians should have gotten in over the whites if they were more qualified. When race becomes a determining factor, racism is at hand.

However, it is completely silly to suggest it is conservatives who are the ones perpetuating the racism of affirmative action. After all, you quotes a Harvard study, and they talk about the top colleges accepting whites over more-qualified Asians. Are Harvard, Stanford, UC-Berkley, etc. conservative institutions, or are they more liberal? You bet they are die-hard liberal!

Screwdriver, I don't care if it's 99% black and 1% white, I don't think I should automatically be given a job over far better qualified blacks simply because of my race. It would be nice to land the job, but it's not right. In a way, it's a slap in the face. It's like saying you need the color of your skin to make up for your lack in other areas. If I make it into a prestigious college I want it to be because I earned it, not because I was pitied.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

Gary O

I'm about as far right as you are far left, and yes I agree, if Asians are doing the best they should get into the elite colleges. I don't care if an entire class is all Asian, or white, or black, or female, or......... As long as they were the most qualified, they should get in. Race should have nothing to do with it. Affimative action has been legalized racism and should have been unconstitutional from the beginning. However liberals don't respect the constitution when it gets in the way of their agenda. Hopefully this Michigan decision will become a 50 state policy. There, what do you think of that?

Jamescmeyer
Midwest City, USA, OK

I don't know why this is even a thing. Don't discriminate between people-for or against them-on the basis of race. It's easy. If fewer XXXX people than YYYY people go to college, keeping YYYY people out or drawing underqualified XXXX people in to maintain some arbitrary quota does nothing. There are plenty of YYYYs coming from less-off families who need the help and there are plenty of XXXXs coming from well-off families who don't need it.

If YYYY people become the minority, that doesn't change anything.

BleedCougarBlue
Enid, OK

@southmtnman - Provo, UT - Why turn this into a "bash liberals" thing?..."

Nobody is trying to "bash" liberals.

But we sure as heck are pointing the blame at those who deserve to take it: liberals.

- Would you want a sub-standard doctor operating on you or your child?
- Would you want a sub-standard lawyer representing you in court?
- Would you want a sub-standard architect or engineer designing your home?
- How about a sub-standard airline pilot flying you home for Thanksgiving?

Liberals will scream "We don't want that!" but the REALITY of racial quotas for colleges and jobs is that those kinds of things DID occur and still occur because those who didn't measure up were allowed to enter schools/training programs and graduate anyway.

And yet, apparently, liberals are still screaming for more bias and sub-standard quality to exist.

Dont' like being called out? Change your behavior.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

There's another kind of affirmative action that benefits primarily wealthy white people. "Legacy admissions" allow offspring of high-contributing alumni easy access to Ivy league and other elite schools.

The Great "Conservative" President GW Bush benefited from his legacy status. His grades from high school and test scores weren't good. No Problem! His Daddy was a distinguished, rich, and powerful alumnus. GW had NO trouble getting accepted to Yale.

George W Bush benefited from Affirmative Action, and I am reasonably sure that Obama did too.

On the other hand, Clinton was all Clinton, an overachieving nerd, who earned everything got.

But many of this nation's most powerful people benefited from Affirmative Action in the form of legacy admissions to elite schools. If Daddy gives a couple of million to his old alma mater, do you think Junior is going to have trouble being accepted?

I think it's a little too early to give up on affirmative action for Blacks, given the fact that Whites still benefit so much from it.

Brio
Alpine, UT

@ GaryO:

Handpicking a few exception examples means absolutely nothing of substance, except that perhaps your liberal bias is alive and well when you try to apply it to one political ideology .

Big college money contributers have helped to get their offspring into their colleges of choice since day one, and it has absolutely nothing to do with racism and it's certainly not another form of affirmative action. Your comment is so far out in left field in multiple ways that I'm truly surprised the comment monitors allowed it.

But since they did allow it, let me explain it to you. It's all about the power of money. It's been used and continues to be used every year by Liberals, Conservatives, Libertarians, Whites, Blacks and Asians. It's about needed money to keep the schools operating. It's the "you help take care of us and we'll help take care of you (via your offspring)' philosophy. Not hard to understand. Its use is not limited to college entrants. It's also used in business transactions all over the world. It's certainly not new nor is it news worthy. It's simply how the world operates.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Brio –

“Handpicking a few exception examples?” There are MILLIONS of such examples.

Racial Preference in favor of Caucasians is not the exception. It’s the rule. And as you say, “that’s just the way it is.” Being Caucasian myself, I’m not all that uncomfortable with the idea, but I do have a sense of fairness, and that does make me feel uncomfortable about the situation.

If Mitt Romney was born Black in inner-city Detroit, do you really think he would have attained success in the business world? Don’t you think his father’s network of social, political, and business contacts might have a little something to do with his acceptance into Harvard and his position within the business world?

Chris B – You can call government-sponsored Affirmative Action racism, if you want, but it’s the kind that attempts to balance racism in the other direction. Have you ever heard of fighting fire with fire?

Most Whites (especially “Conservatives”) don’t want to know that Asians are ROUTINELY denied access to colleges in favor of less-qualified Whites. It’s called DENIAL.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

My comment was approved, but it is not posted?

It is high time we take the next step towards equality, by respecting people enough to allow them to get admitted to college based on what they have done to qualify to go, not based on the color of their skin.

238 years after the Declaration of Independence, we still haven't enacted laws which treat all men/women as equal, giving them equal opportunity. Affirmative Action is now a barrier to equality.

Germany tore down it's wall in 1986. Now it is our turn. The Affirmative Action wall needs to be torn down!

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

I agree with Sotomayor's arguments.
Ignoring racial differences, culturally and historically isn't helpful either.

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