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Published: Saturday, April 19 2014 9:02 p.m. MDT

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4601
Salt Lake City, UT

Many people commit a crime to better their circumstances. Empathy and reality must have a balance that leads to a solution of the problem. Empathetic words are cheap and solutions are difficult.

prelax
Murray, UT

Love is sending people down the path of righteousness; rewarding illegal/dishonest behavior is not love.

Mercy cannot rob justice and remain righteous.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

4601 and prelax aren't getting the point made by the letter writer. The point is "empathy." That is the ability to see the world through someone else's eyes.

Let's try this with Mexican immigrants. Let's say I am a poor Mexican farmer whose livelihood had been wiped out by NAFTA (happened lots of times). Let's also say I have 5 or six kids and wife to feed. I am just not making it in Mexico. Would I be tempted to head north in spite of the risks to get some income to feed my family?

I would seriously consider it, law or no law.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

The letter-writer's premise is false. Most likely there is virtually no one who lacks empathy for illegal aliens.

The problem is that one cannot give them a pass at the law in the name of "empathy" without WITHHOLDING empathy from their victims.

This is why the scriptures say "obey, honor and sustain the law of the land."

cmsense
Kaysville, UT

Jeb Bush is right on in his sentiments towards immigration and it would do the Republican brand well if they took his lead or the lead of the LDS church and have some compassion and sensibilities on the matter. Its no wonder many hispanics don't feel welcome with some of the vitriol and black and white thinking. How many of our ancesters came to America for a better life? No one is going to send back the 12 million illegal immigrants in this country, so get over yourselves. Yes, build a fence. Yes send all you catch or the new illegal immigrants back, but yes, we should have a path, perhaps a long path and with signifant penalties, but a path for those who have been here for years and have been law abiding productive members of society. Don't break up families. Anyone willing to serve in our military should be granted citizenship.

The Republican party will be in a sad and lonely state if they allow the far right of the party to run the show and drive moderates to be independants or democrats. .


What happened to "compassionate conservatism"?

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Christ has pure empathy for all mankind. He has pure empathy because He paid in full the price for sorrow and for sin. He and He alone has the right to be empathetic. Without payment, empathy is hollow.

Those who think that illegal aliens should be welcomed into the United States have a simple choice. Are they willing to pay the price in full for a family? Are they willing to serve prison time for a felony (stealing an identity, non-payment of taxes, Social Security fraud). Are they willing to pay fully for "public" services that that family received, including repaying doctors and hospitals for health care received; repaying schools for the costs of education; repaying any and all whose taxes paid for non-citizens?

Hollow empathy is what is being preached by Bush and by those who repeat his words. Those who have true empathy have a perfect example of someone who knows what empathy means. He paid the price. If you are willing to fully pay the price, then pay it fully, including prison time, before telling us that we are wrong because we only have hollow empathy.

tenx
Santa Clara, UT

Unlike Jeb, I am more concerned about the love for the potential legal immigrants, numbering in the millions, waiting in line all around the world, to become a legal immigrant and citizen of the USA. They are not yet my neighbors or can/will vote for me or make me look like a compassionate figure but rather they are the ones who I have seen in line at our embassies in the 24 countries I worked in during the 30 years I worked abroad. They are patient, honest, educated, mostly with English speaking skills and desiring to be a good citizen of a country they have longed to see and live in. Just the kind of immigrant we need. Most will wait 12 years to realize their dream. Contrast that with an Illegal who jumps the line and sneaks across the border having no regard for the laws of our country. Sorry, but my compassion is with the LEGAL immigrant. I think it is clear that Jeb is running for office. Shame on him!

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

Re: Mike Richards "Hollow empathy is what is being preached by Bush ..." Hollow empathy, what's that?

Once again, empathy is the ability to see the world through the eyes of another. Try it with the Mexican immigrant.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

It's interesting to see the double standard the right has.

On one hand, the law is the law when it applies to Latinos.

On the other hand, some laws are worth breaking, when it applies to Clive Bundy.

Are we to obey the law? Or not? That is the question. It appears to me that the law applies to Latinos but it doesn't apply to anti-tax tea party types.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Let them go...

If the hard-hearted GOP wants to shut-out Hispanics, Women, GLBT, the Young, Sick, and Old -- LET them.

It just shows how Anti-Reagan they really and truly are.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

None of us who turn to Christ for his empathy pay the full price for our sins.

The empathy here sought is to change the law by removing some of the penalties.

If folks disagree, fine. But let's not pretend that we could not change the law to lessen the penalties and open the doors if we so chose.

As to the concept of "go back, stand in line and you'll get in when it's your turn" line of thought. Please research the caps on legal immigration from Mexico. For many folks (who have been here for a decade or more) this would mean never returning.

Our govt. winked at them to get across the border (and please, it was not this administration) and winked again to let them work here for cheap.

We need a solution that recognizes the realities - including that we (the business community and the govt.) let these folks come in the first place.

Seal the border? Sure. Put in place E-Verify? Yep. But let's do something kind and reasonable with those already here.

SLars
Provo, UT

NAFTA raised Mexico to the 12th biggest economy in the world, that's not a valid excuse anymore. There are hundreds on millions of people world wide worse off than the people of Mexico. Shouldn't our empathy be with them?

What about empathy for the taxpayer who subsidizes business with cheap labor, then has his id stolen or has to clear his name from the social security fraud? How about America's children who will grow up only to find they can't get credit because someone stole their id. How about empathy for those who did it right, and are punished by rewarding the wrong doers?

Empathy for the millions waiting to come here legally?

Business lobbyists are using every trick in the book to try to retain their cheap labor, including using a guilt trip on Americans.

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

To the Javerts who advocate strict enforcement of the law against illegal immigrants, you are the ones to whom Jesus spoke when they brought the woman taken in adultery to him: "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

Happy Easter everyone.

SLars
Provo, UT

Curmudgeon, what happened to the rest of it, " go now and sin no more". This would require a person here illegally to return home and come back under our laws. Staying in the country would require them to break the law everyday they are here.

Twin Lights, there is a long line in Mexico and the Philippines because of the demand to come here. It has little to do with the caps as they have been exceeded during Obama's administration. There are only so many seats in the show house. That does not give those waiting in line permission to enter out of turn. Besides, I thought that illegal immigration was slowing down from Mexico. I think you're beating a dead horse there.

After seven amnesties, we know they just add to the problem. After 28 years of little enforcement, we know the solution. Stop business from hiring them, and let them go home without punishment. Id theft and social security fraud, plus perjury (I-9 forms) are felonies and should be punished. The same with hiring a person here illegally.

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

SLars:

You missed an important part of the story. Though the woman had broken the law, Jesus did not cast a stone himself, rather he said "neither do I condemn thee." He encouraged her to obey the law in the future, but he did not compel that obedience, nor did the government. What Jesus offered the woman was--wait for it--amnesty.

Immigration reform would change the law so that certain persons who came here in violation of the former law would not be compelled to leave; they could stay by meeting certain conditions (kind of like repentance). They would, therefore, be in compliance with the law.

ronnie
sandy, utah

Mike Richards:

Wrong again. illegal immigration does not constitute a felony, sorry. By the way has there ever been a study conducted to determine how profitable companies are when they hire illegals. I wager that illegals tend to be hard workers provide a needed service making bother company owners and consumers happy.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

cmsense

"No one is going to send back the 12 million illegal immigrants in this country..."

False argument. That only is true if a conscious decision is made to abandon the rule of law and the sovereignty of this nation.

Curmudgeon

Tou are missing the point. "Sin no more" means just that. Allowing them to stay is tantamount to allowing a bank robber to not only escape justice, but to also him to keep the bank loot.

And no it is not "kind of like repentance," since in that case Christ paid the penalty for sin, on a spiritual level.

When it comes to earthly SOCIETY and the laws of the land, on the other hand, there is no actual amnesty in the name of "repentance" without shifting the penalty to some innocent scapegoat other than Christ. Such scapegoats would include hundreds of millions who have it far, far worse than illegal aliens but who respectfully wait in line to come into this country, and the Americans who suffer in a wide variety of ways because of illegal immigration. Where is the compassion for them?

Retroactive legalization is a rationalization. It would signify that the law finally means nothing.

SLars
Provo, UT

Curmudgeon
If he gave her amnesty, he would of allowed her to continue committing adultery. That's what people in the country want, to be able to continue breaking the law.

Or to have the law changed and allow them to stay. Did Jesus change the law to accommodate the woman's adultery?

I don't believe for a minute that it's about empathy, or it would be for anyone committing a crime. It's all about cheap labor.

RRB
SLC, UT

@Curmudgeon
If 12 million adulterers had been brought before Christ, do you think he would of realized the situation was out of control? How about Javert looking for thieves that stole 12 million loaves of bread?

@ronnie
Coming here illegally is a misdemeanor, working commits multiple felonies.

Harvard Economist George Borjas (from a Harvard study), "In dragging down wages,
immigration currently shifts about $160 billion per year from workers to
employers." You can find other studies.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Christ has pure empathy for all mankind. He has pure empathy because He paid in full the price for sorrow and for sin. He and He alone has the right to be empathetic. Without payment, empathy is hollow.

Those who have true empathy have a perfect example of someone who knows what empathy means. He paid the price. If you are willing to fully pay the price, then pay it fully, including prison time, before telling us that we are wrong because we only have hollow empathy.

8:43 a.m. April 20, 2014

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True Jesus paid the price Mike, I agree
but,

What did Jesus command his followers to do?

Come, Follow me.
Do as I do.
Do unto others as I have done unto you.

It's called being a Christian.

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