"I am sure that these parents never imagined their 3-year-old would be able
to fire the gun."Yeah, see that's the problem. They never
imagined. How do you NOT imagine that a child can fire a loaded gun? And what's with all these people claiming people cannot be 100%
responsible? I guarantee that responsible people can 100% of the time keep
loaded guns out of the reach of children. In fact, it really is not difficult.
But, anyway, if you leave a loaded gun out and a child is killed
with it you should be charged with a crime. even if you feel really bad. For
those people that don't think you should, would it change your mind if it
was a neighbor's child that had been killed? Or your child that had been
killed because a neighbor had left a gun out? People need to be held
legally responsible for their guns.
I do not personally know this family but my heart says they do not need
criticism right now...or ever. They know what has happened and why and they
will have the guilt to live with. They need compassion and support. I surely
would not want to have to tell my daughter when she grows up that she shot and
killed her brother. I am sure that these parents never imagined their
3-year-old would be able to fire the gun. Hopefully other parents will learn
from this tragedy and prevent it from happening in their families.
@ McMurphyI am familiar with the work you cite and I stand by my comment
that there is "no credible evidence of a deterrent effect of firearms".
I especially stand by my comments that "the risk of harm to a family member
far out weighs any protective effect from violence or break-in and that groups
such as the American Academy of Pediatrics urge parents not to have guns in the
home." My main point is that the health risk to the home occupants of
having a gun in the home far outweighs any health benefit, thus people should at
least consider this point before bringing a gun into the home, particularly a
home with children.
My father had a few guns. He made us treat them as if they were loaded even
when they were not. He stored the ammunition and the bolts in a locked
ammunition box that was also hidden. They were not there to arm himself against
a potential prowler. A good dog is a lot more effective at that. The good dog
will not accidently shoot someone. Seems to me logical gun safety laws, and
smaller clip laws and 100 percent background checks cannot be talked about when
a tragedy occurs, and then is not important enough to discuss when the tragedy
is past. It is interesting that the number of households with guns in them is
declining, while the total number of guns is going up at a rapid rate. Guess
the fearful ones need a lot of guns.
"However because we allow guns, we also allow people, even the weakest
amoung us an effective way to defend themselves."Really?That little boy didn't have any way to defend himself, did he? As
for the overused myth that "millions" of people use guns for defense
every year, how about doing some research to learn the truth? That claim is
"If you own a kitchen knife which can just as easily kill someone"Not true at all.Just recently a kid brought 2 kitchen knives
to school. Slashed or stabbed 21 people. Not one died.Equating a
kitchen knife in a drawer to a loaded gun in the living room is disingenuous at
best.While I am confident they exist, accidental stabbing deaths
have to be pretty rare.
I have been close to several families that have lost children to gun accidents
like this. It is always heartbreaking. We can debate these issues till the cows
come home, but can you absolutely 100% guarantee that you will not accidentally
leave your weapon where your little ones can reach it? If you have children,
your guns belong off-site in a storage bay. You can argue with me, but you
can't argue with my friends with dead children.
To all the people blaming this family:If you own a kitchen knife
which can just as easily kill someone... then by all means you are in an equal
position by the logic you use against this family. Of course, I bet you all
store knives in a safe place that toddlers can't access. As long as people
do the same with guns, they are again in an equal standing as you.Right now is a time of mourning and care for other human beings, not passing
blame. Publicizing self-righteous moral stands are without condolence or love.
Truly caring for the well-being of others doesn't amount to blaming others
or taking moral stands. It amounts to mourning with those who mourn. Caring for
people means caring more for the actual person than the principles surrounding
their behavior. We all know bad things happen, unnecessarily even. But outrage
helps no one. Love, believe it or not, actually does help people.I'm as guilty as anyone at being quick to blame. We've all done it.
But we need to be better. I've never seen it help anyone- ever.
Every parent, at some time in the raising of his or her child, has a lapse that
could have caused death. Most of the time because of luck or the Grace of God,
the children are spared death or serious injury - every parent whether by car,
swimming pool, lawn mower, falling of an object, bike accident, whatever. For
anyone who has ever been a parent to point their finger at these parents as a
result of this one lapse is beyond cruel. The loss alone is punishment enough
without self-righteous condemnation from those who have also been negligent
from time to time but luckily were spared the heartbreak of the loss of a child.
Dear Lord, please comfort this grieving family.
@ Aggie 5How will me owning unloaded firearms in a safe make irresponsible
parents feel worse?@ Member InstituteNo credible evidence
regarding gun ownership preventing crime --(1) More Guns Less Crime, 3rd
edition, John R. Lott, Jr.(2) Tough Targets -- When Criminals Face Armed
Resistance From Citizens. Clayton Cramer and David Burnett, Cato Institute,
2012(3) Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of
Self-Defense With a Gun. Gary Kleck and March Gertz. Northwestern University
School of Law, Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, vol 86, issue 1, 1995
Sad to see some of these comments.I know of much more kids drowning than
"I found the problem. Let me highlight it. The family owned a gun. Their
child would be alive now if they hadn't"One could make the
same illogical argument about a car when someone dies in a car accident.I disagree with the premise. Gun ownership is not at all the
problem.Irresponsible gun ownership is.
We are all careless, lazy, or stupid sometimes. Most of the time nothing
happens. Just yesterday I was driving and looked away from the road at
something (no it wasn't a phone) and started drifting. When I looked back
up, I was startled to see I was crossing the lane toward another car. I quickly
recovered, and nothing happened, but I felt stupid and only by the grace of God
averted a terrible tragedy. I knew the potential consequences when I
took my eyes off the road, but I wasn't thinking about it at the moment. I
was just being stupid and lazy. Most of such lapses pass without serious
incidence, but sometimes they lead to a tragedy like this one.I
doubt that whoever left a loaded gun available to children thought much about
it. Now they will think about it for the rest of their lives, the family may be
torn apart, and that poor 3-year-old will need therapy forever. We
will all continue doing thoughtless things but this catastrophe reminds me that
in some cases I must be perfectly vigilant in following wise practices with such
things as guns or cars.
A neighbour is quoted as saying "Just a pure accident". This tragedy
was not an accident. It could have been prevented if the rifle had been
There is no worse punishment in life than regret and the grief that goes along
with it. Let's not pile on and lecture this family on gun safety. I think
they now understand this lesson more than most of us could possibly imagine.
May God bless them and help them through this difficult time.
I found the problem. Let me highlight it. The family owned a gun. Their child
would be alive now if they hadn't.
The gun wasn't loaded but had rounds in the magazine? That's loaded.
It may not have been made ready but it was fully loaded. Guns are not toys. The
right to bear arms doesn't also include the right to be careless or
I feel sick to my stomach after reading this story. Heartbreaking!!
Given the impossibility of legislating common sense, we can count on the
"feel good" folks to demand legislation about gun storage. Of course
that ignores the fact that too many people will still do foolish things, even if
they are also illegal.Then, we can wait and see if there is a County
Attorney anywhere in the state who would actually file charges against a
grieving parent who just lost a child as a result of their own negligence, and
thereby "fix the problem."Yes, this was a tragic,
preventable accident, and simply following the gun safety rules long taught by
the National Rifle Association would save lives.
This is so sad. However because we allow guns, we also allow people, even the
weakest amoung us an effective way to defend themselves. Guns are like anything
else, they can be used for good and bad and if the rules of gun handling are
followed, they are safe.
My condolences to the family regarding this tragic accident involving a gun. I
agree that this specific incident should not be made an issue for the cause of
gun control. However to facilitate learning from this unfortunate episode it is
fair to point out that the scientific literature on the risks and benefits of
having a gun in the home indicate that the health risk of a gun in the home is
greater than the benefit. There is no credible evidence of a deterrent effect of
firearms. However, the risk of harm to a family member far out weighs any
protective effect from violence or break-in. Groups such as the American Academy
of Pediatrics urge parents not to have guns in the home. While people are free
to exercise their second amendment rights, it is not necessarily wise to do so.
Instead of purchasing and using a gun safe, a reasonable alternative is to not
purchase a gun.
Toosmart.This is a tragedy. A huge one. Please reframe from making the
parents feel worse by choosing to own a firearm.
Those who think anyone should have a gun anytime should rethink their position,
too, perhaps.There aren't any words that make sense of this
terrible tragedy. I hope the best for the family. Certainly they are suffering
a great deal right now. The saddest part is how absolutely preventable this
type of accident is when using proper safeguards. That is what makes it likely
almost unbearable. I feel sorry for them.
Snip from the article: "with a .22-caliber rifle that was used
earlier in the day and then left in the living room of the home"I found the problem. Let me highlight it.".22-caliber rifle...
left in the living room."
My most heart-felt condolences to the family which is suffering incredibly right
now. I can't image what they are going through right now, or the long-term
effects this will have on them. The 3-year old needs to clearly learn over time
that this was not her fault.Please don't hide guns in the
closet, under the bed or in a dresser drawer. Those who own guns should have a
proper gun safe and use it.