Sharrona,I used the NET because you said it was a good translation.
So is it also deficient? Where is the translation that says what you say it
does?The sun example is interesting but odd. The sun is the object.
The other things simply emanate from it. I am a human. I produce heat. I am
not heat.With all deference to CS Lewis, I disagree. Christ made it
pretty simple. He could have done so here as well.
RE:Twin Lights, John17:20-22. True,One in unity (*en 1722, Preposition).But
(**heis,1520=the number 1) different Greek words. 3 persons one God. "one in
substance”.E.g…, the express image of his person(substance,=G
5287)Hebrews 1:3.The Father, the Word(I), and the Holy
Spirit=(Ghost); and these three are )One (**heis) these three agree as one(*en)
(1John 5:7,8 KJV & JST & 3 Nephi 11:36.) An example would be
the Sun. The one Sun shows itself as triune, sunlight and heat yet one substance
or essence, as its splendid in its unity and oneness. How much more the Creator
of the sun is splendid and One in his unity and oneness in his triune being.“ If Christianity was something we were making up, of course we
would make it easier. But it is not. We cannot compete, in simplicity, with
people who are inventing religions. How could we? We are dealing with fact. Of
course anyone can be simple if he has no facts to bother about." The 3
personal God “Mere Christianity.@ bad explainer “If we
could fully understand God he would cease to be GOD” St. Augustine
Sharonna ... No amount of VAC (verses absent context. Not too bad, eh? Just
coined that meself) will diminish Christ's crystal-clear teachings that: He
did what the Father told him to do, and said what he was told to say; the Father
was greater than He; He prayed to his Father; depended on Him for strength; did
not know when the end times would come (what, God does not know when God will
end it all?); that he wanted his disciples to be one "just as You and I are
one." Just as. It is a noble effort to attempt to prove Christ
was God and not the Son of God, but fruitless in the end. He taught otherwise.
Sharrona,Too long to quote. Read John 17 in the NET. It is clear
as day. He is praying to his Father. Or in John 11 when he is about to raise
Lazarus.If Christ was trying to teach that he and the Father were
one, he did an incredibly poor job. One that belies is expert teaching ability
on every other subject.If he was the best teacher in the world (and
I believe he was) then he could and would have done a lot better on a subject of
such transcendent importance.As it is, we are left with his word on
the subject and his words are that he was the Son of the Father. Not is some
mystical, unreal sense. But in the very real sense of a father and a son.Otherwise, he is either a liar or a very bad explainer.
RE: Moontan to be grasped=(harpagmos,Greek,robbery),(Phil 2:6
ESV);,…”Who, being ‘in the form of God’, thought it not
robbery to be equal with God: " (Phi 2:6 KJV). E.g..,(John
1:1).In the beginning was the Word(Logos), and the Word was with God and the
*Word was God”.Greeks used this term(Logos) not only for the spoken
word but the unspoken word Reason when applied to the universe they meant
rational principle. The Jews used it as a way in referring to God. John
used it in a way meaningful to both Jews and Gentiles. (1John 1) That
which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our
eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim
concerning the *Word of life[Jesus]. .” Jesus was true God and true
man.“To them belong the patriarchs, and from them, by human
descent, came the Christ, ‘who is God over all’, blessed forever!
Amen.”(Romans 9:5 NET) Good Greek translation.
@Sharonna ... My sentence wasn't a question. I was saying it is the same
Dad. I believe the accusation that Mormons "believe in a different
Jesus" is without merit, or even substance. There is no other Christ. There
was only One on the Cross. We humans are called to believe 'in' Him,
not 'about' Him. Re. your quote concerning God not
thinking equality with Himself something to be "grasped" (KJV). I agree.
I can't grasp it. That's why I believe Christ when He said He was
God's Son, and why I believe He prayed to His Father.
“Because of him”, that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for
us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.
(1Cor 1:30 NIV).Context,Verse 24 to“those whom God has
called(the elect of God),” both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God
and the wisdom of God. Verse For the foolishness of God is wiser than human
wisdom, and the weakness [Christ dying on the cross] of God is stronger than
human strength.RE: Moontan,”Ten sons of the same father each
have their own views of and beliefs 'about' Dad. It is the same
Dad??”Though he(Jesus)was God, he did not think of equality
with God as something to cling to. Instead, he gave up his divine privileges
took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he
appeared in human form, he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a
criminal’s death on a cross.( Phil 2:5-8 NLT)
Ten sons of the same father each have their own views of and beliefs
'about' Dad. It is the same Dad.
So glad everyone is celebrating Easter. And enjoying their faith and sharing it
with others. That is what I do also, and I keep the distinctions clear between
the Biblical Jesus and the many other subsequent and non-Biblical
"Jesus"s. JW's say Jesus is Michael the ArchAngel; the Islamic
Christ has none of the power or attributes of the Biblical narrative, nor does
the Mormon or Christian Science one.We are mandated by Christ to
declare Him, His gospel and message and to avidly expose the false Christs.
(2Peter, Jude, 2 Corinth.). The problem lies in a denomination that now gives
away free Bibles, but as shared here, do not believe in its accuracy, efficacy
or message 'as written'.I claim only to keep the record
straight and the message clear. The Holy Spirit's job is convicting and
conversion, not mine. Followers of Christ are called to share His message and
make disciples. That is what I do, and I want only to be accurate while
discussing the many different Christs proclaimed by others.I know
how much we all love Jesus. Let us each follow our conscience, after
"rightly dividing the Word of God".
This is a beautiful video with a beautiful message. Bravo to all involved in its
production. Pharisaical comments notwithstanding, Scripture is full
of lessons not specifically adumbrated but which are plain nonetheless. How to
live a better earthly life while awaiting our Heavenly reward being but one
example. Unless of course one wants us to conclude that Christ did not expect
our belief in Him to have any earthly significance at all. Hints of non-Mormon
theology in that idea, but wrong.
Awesome!Saw this video in church today during Sunday School.I'm going to send it to a dear friend of mine, a woman who I'm
sure is one who will eventually accept the fulness of the Lord's gospel.The world is becoming so wicked these days that Latter-day Saints and
non-Latter-day Saints must work together to survive. The observant on both
sides know this is true. Let us put aside our differences and focus on what we
have in common; our love for God and all that is beautiful, decent and good. Is
this not what Jesus would do?Happy Easter, everyone!
Our Stake has been having a missionary event each year before Easter, the last 5
years. We invite the community to come and see scenes of the Savior's life
recreated in rooms of the church. It is called 'Walk with Christ'.
After the last 'scene' of the tomb we guide each small group into the
chapel and this year we showed the video 'Because of Him'. Our event
is 3 nights and this year we had 700 people come through the church. Many came
from the community at large, some invited by members and some by our marketing
effort in the community. We were thrilled that this video came out just in time
to use it in our event this year! Perfect to add to our own testimonies about
Christ, which is what our entire event is about!
RE: Twin Lights: (John 1:1)In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with
God, and the Word(Jesus) was God v 14.. the Word became flesh and dwelt among
us. God becomes man not man becomes God.The Sheep and Goats Mt
25:31-46: The sheep on Jesus’ right hand are blessed by God the Father.
The goats on Jesus’ left hand are cursed with eternal hell-fire,
“prepared for the devil and his angels”.RE: KellyWSmith
“universal salvation”??For God so loved the world that he gave
his one and only Son, that ‘whoever believes’ in him shall not
perish but have eternal life.(John 3:16 NIV).The one ‘who
believes’ in the Son has eternal life. The one ‘who rejects’
the Son will not see life, but God’s wrath remains on him.(John 3:36
NET).RE: Filthy Kuffar, (Mosiah 2:39) … I say unto you, that
mercy hath no claim on that man; therefore his final doom is to endure a
never-ending torment.(Mt 10:28).. But rather fear Him who is able to
destroy both soul and body in hell=(Gehenna)
Every Day since Monday, I have shared a new spot from #BecauseofHim on FB. This
is an amazing video that has touched my heart, and hopefully my family and
friends. Beautiful, just beautiful. Please watch. Have a wonderful
@ Onlythecross-Those who don't believe in modern revelation
will not understand the Savior nor his mission, and most likely will not
recognize Him when He returns. The Bible can be very confusing as it has been
translated and changed many times over time. Joseph Smith noticed this confusion
among the various sects where he lived. Everyone has their own understanding of
the scriptures, and they often do not coincide, and therefore confusion and
contention arise; hence the importance of modern day prophets.Just
because your interpretation of the scriptures are different than those of the
LDS Church does not necessarily mean your version or understanding is correct.
OnlyTheCross,Given that the LDS Church and its members believe that
they have the correct interpretation of Christ they would not make such a
distinction.Christ is Lucifer’s spirit brother just as he is
mine or yours. Joining just those two is disingenuous unless you note that we
are all spirit children – Christ being the eldest and the one chosen by
the Father to effectuate his plan. The bible is clear that there are sins that
will not be forgiven “But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost
hath never forgiveness”. As to universal salvation – agreed that
all souls will live somewhere. But the concept that God would damn the ignorant
to hell is repugnant and would make him unworthy of his title. Christ spent his
life (and John before him) teaching folks to live better as well as to rely on
his atonement. No argument that no one becomes like Christ without the power
and influence of the Holy Ghost.Happy Easter (and yes, I do mean
The purpose of the Book of Mormon and other revealed scripture is to
"confound false doctrines" and reveal the truth as to all things
eternal. Yes there is "universal salvation" in the sense that all will
be resurrected and saved from the consequences of death and yes, there is a
place prepared for them. To those who are not in "His Kingdom" it will,
for eternity be somewhat of a Hell because they will know they fell short and
would not repent and therefore, will not progress. Yes, Christ is a spirit
brother of Satan just as you and me are, children of Heavenly Parents. We are
here to be tested and tried to see what we would do when not in their presence
and Satan, who rebelled against the plan of God, would be allowed to tempt us
and sway us from the spirit of Christ that is given to everyone. The only way to
be saved is through the Grace of Christ after all we can do, and that includes
trying to become like him because God is a God of Justice, just as much He is as
a God of Love and Mercy.
I too loved the video and will show it to my Sunday School class tomorrow as
part of the lesson on the resurrection. Happy Easter everyone!
Well, I just saw the sight and I am happy to report that it does make the
distinction between the LDS Jesus and the Biblical one! But only those who read
their Bible will see it:The Bible never says in any verse that
"Jesus came to show us how to live better." He did give the Golden Rule
and admonished the Jews to love their enemies; He explained many truths to them
that had been altered by tradition. But the messsge of the Bible is that Christ
came to pay our debt on the Cross. For all who believe in Him, He sends the
Holy Spirit to indwell them with the power to live, grow and mature spiritually.
Man can try as hard as he wants to emmulate Jesus; he will never succeed unless
he is born again/born spiritually. John 1:12 is the Biblical
Christ:"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to
become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of
blood, nor of the will of flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
I am happy for the site's success. I'll go watch it now. Does it
make the distinctions between the LDS Jesus and the Biblical Jesus? I was LDS
for 35 years and always thought we had the same Christ, plus some added
ordinances. Upon studying the Bible carefully, I was shocked to learn of the
significant differences in the Mormon Jesus.So the question looming
in my mind is- Will this new campaign honestly distinguish the LDS
characteristics of Christ (Lucifer's spirit brother, one of His
Father's many celestial spirit chlidren birthed by a Heavenly Mother,
possibly polygamous on earth according to some early LDS prophets, His blood
cannot cover all sin (BYoung), He is only Savior of this earth, etc.) versus the
purely Biblical one?Let's see if I can get an honest post
through. Biblically, the Cross was the final payment for redemption and
reconciliation. There is no "universal" salvation. Every soul will
live somewhere for eternity: Those who "have the Son have eternal life in
His Kingdom"; those who refuse His gift of eternal salvation, "will not
have (spiritual) life."God bless this campaign if the Biblical
Easter message is promoted!
I love this video. The LDS Church keeps getting better and better at sending out
a message to the world about its message and its mission.
Absolutely love the video and the feeling I get!