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Dick Harmon: BYU's loading up with one-year players fits a need

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  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2014 2:33 a.m.

    @ Rockwell

    Well USC finished #1, so no Utah obviously didn't carry the same weight. However, Utah did finish 12-0 and in the top 5 so the Utes definitely weren't a drain on anybody's SOS

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    April 23, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    2fer

    About as illogical as Utah fans claiming that Utah 2004 carried the same weight as USC...

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 21, 2014 6:54 p.m.

    @ Uteanymous

    Ranking team's SOS based on Win/Loss of opponents means Bowling Green and Buffalo carry the same weight as Wisconsin and Nebraska. Talk about illogical....

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 21, 2014 5:10 p.m.

    2fer

    Sorry to bust your crimson bubble but your logical fallacy is illogical:

    per FBSchedules dotcom

    2014 College Football Strength of Schedule – NCAA Method

    Listed below are the complete 2014 NCAA strength of schedule rankings with won/loss record and winning percentage of opponents:

    2. Virginia – 102-54, 65.38%
    11. Utah – 98-59, 62.42%
    93. Oklahoma – 71-78, 47.65%
    95. Alabama – 71-79, 47.33%
    97. BYU – 71-81, 46.71%

    Who Virginia played and where Sagarin ranked Virginia's schedule in 2013 is irrelevant, because these are the schedule rankings for 2014.

    Try to keep up.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    April 21, 2014 11:43 a.m.

    I'm not real crazy about it, but if this is what BYU has to do to work around the new mission thing, so be it.

  • Chip45 SANDY, UT
    April 21, 2014 10:32 a.m.

    Isn't it fun! All this speculation about the coming football season! Will we ever learn? What happens during the 2014 season will happen and we'll just have to wait, live through it and hope it'll be good. But so many unplanned conditions always seem to happen. An injury here. An injury there. Someone breaks the Honor Code. Someone just doesn't perform as predicted. Or, someone surprises everyone with an outstanding year. It is what makes football so interesting and why we watch the games. Bread and circus? History repeats itself. But I do so love it!

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    April 21, 2014 8:04 a.m.

    FREDISDEAD - If these guys were getting buzz as high draft picks, then you have to figure they would in fact be declaring for the draft. The fact that they're jumping to the Y says to me they believe they have pro potential but weren't feeling good about their place in the upcoming deep draft class.

    So, they transfer because they didn't think they'd get either the PT or the exposure where they were to improve their stock. So, Bronco is using them, and they're using Bronco. Hopefully it works out in both direction.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    April 21, 2014 7:04 a.m.

    All of these kids are looking for more playing time. The kid from Stanford and Nebraska know they are buried behind deep, talented players. The kid from UTEP could be a good find. The other two simply know they aren't buried behind a bunch of talented recruits when coming to BYU.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 20, 2014 11:48 p.m.

    @ Snack PAC

    That is a logical fallacy. SOS is not determined solely on win-loss records because 8 wins in the SEC or Big 10 is not the same as 8 wins in the MWC or Sun Belt.

    According to Sagarin, Virgina played the 35th ranked SOS, and they only won 2 games. So no, I don't think Cavalier fans should be pounding their chests about anything.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    April 20, 2014 6:29 p.m.

    UC Baller
    Salt Lake City, UT

    I may be mistaken, because I am relying on memory, and frankly I don't care enough to look it up, but I believe that 1) BYU recruiting has NEVER been top 25 or even top 40; and that 2) BYU recruiting is hanging about even with the only method to measure recruiting - the dreaded star system.

    If my recollection is correct, then this is a nice move to take advantage of two situations - scholarships with less than the full allocation of years and talent that is immediately available.

    What I think is incredibly interesting is the number of young men - and presumably young women - who are completing a 4 year degree in 4 years, while competing at a high level of collegiate athletics. I would love a DN story on other athletes doing the same thing, and where they are going.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    April 20, 2014 5:09 p.m.

    October 2012: mission age lowered to 18
    Summer 2013: mass exodus of 18-yr olds to mission service (many highly recruited 18-yr olds)
    Summer 2014: more 18 yr olds depart on missions("one-and-done" recruits fill the void)
    Summer 2015: massive return of 20 yr olds from mission service begins although many will need a year to be ready to contribute.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 20, 2014 4:18 p.m.

    2fer

    Based strictly on win-loss records from 2013, BYU's schedule is ranked about the same as the schedules for Alabama and Oklahoma - if either of those teams runs the table will you try claim that neither is deserving of a playoff berth?

    btw, Virginia's schedule is ranked 2nd toughest.

    Like Utah fans, should Cavalier fans be beating their chests about how tough their schedule is?

  • portlander Arlington, WA
    April 20, 2014 4:03 p.m.

    Okay. Let's say that a Portland State, Montana or another lower tier, Div I or II team, recruits a kid who turns out to be a gifted player. Let's also say that the kid either decides to move up to a higher quality program, decides to serve a mission, or graduates with a 4 year degree from his first college of choice. Then let's also say that he has a remaining year or two of eligibility left to play Div I football. So, BYU swoops in and picks off this kid, a la Nebraska or Stanford, or maybe even a SoCal and so forth.

    BYU, is then building upon an already in-place philosophy, of having developing young players mixed in with highly mature and highly experienced, as well as highly motivated players, who are workman-like, strong, level-headed and steady. How could this scenario be wrong for anybody?

    Again, BYU appears to be out in front, on the cutting edge of college football evolutionary development!

    Go Cougs!

  • FREDISDEAD Layton, UT
    April 20, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    So I am a little confused. IF they are graduating, why are they not entering the NFL draft? What is the point of playing another season when they have already finished their undergrad degree????

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    April 19, 2014 1:36 p.m.

    @ UC Baller - have we heard many times that Bronco M. doesn't like going after top qulaity players when they are 4 or 5 star. He look for players who are dedicated on and off the field. I don't want to mentioned one player who chosed to transfer that he didn't seem to want to work or play hard on the field. He came to some sport bar at Salt Lake along with our local media that he chose BYU and what did Bronco thought of that? Well, Bronco rolled his eyes and didn't say much.

    Anyway, lets hope this new system work for this year and welcome aboard to those three new (grad students) guys

  • PG #1 FAN Lindon, UT
    April 19, 2014 1:03 p.m.

    The ESPN contract is the reason we are getting transfers. These guys want to go somewhere where they can play and get maximum exposure. BYU is that place and if it works out for the guys we have now look for more in the future. Anything that brings in good players is a plus right now. We should go undefeated this year.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    April 19, 2014 10:31 a.m.

    Utah is more interchangeable with UConn then Virginia. Both teams had their moments with UConn coming on late to win its last three games.

    I really am looking forward to the season next year. I hope the O-Line steps up and improves. If they do BYU could beat anybody. Its going to an exciting year with so much experience on offense.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 19, 2014 9:53 a.m.

    Dealing with missions, and the honor code is a juggling act.

    I'm surprised that BYU does as well as it does.

  • IA Cougar West Des Moines, IA
    April 19, 2014 5:57 a.m.

    Not sure I would call it "loading up" with three. I am interested if these one year players will really help the program. Should be a solid year with a slightly easier schedule. Go Cougs.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    April 19, 2014 12:25 a.m.

    Interesting trend. Think cougars should expand recruiting to top players at other colleges. It appears that the number of players with only one year of eligibility that want to break away from their alma mater is increasing.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    April 18, 2014 11:21 p.m.

    Good to see Bronco make needed changes. Let's hope that many more will follow. Clearly he will be BYU's coach for many years...if he begins to learn from mistakes we might eventually get the program back to where he should be.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2014 11:14 p.m.

    "this is not a patsy schedule"

    Yes it is.

    "Utah and Virginia are interchangeable"

    Not really. BYU did manage to lose to both, but Utah finished #34, and Virginia finished #104.

  • UC Baller Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2014 11:12 p.m.

    As a BYU fan I like the use of the one year players....but what it really shows me is how bad we are at recruiting.

    We aren't keeping up with Top 25 programs (no not you Utah)...the gap seems like it is widening and we are becoming a middle of the pack team. Beat the weaker teams, and lose to top 25 teams and Utah.

    Can we ever have a recruiting class in the Top 40? Or am I delusional and BYU football is fading....please help me understand. Thx.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    April 18, 2014 10:08 p.m.

    we could have used more of these last year when the schedule was far more formidable. But Texas, UCF, and Boise St. should be tough games and the Cougs did lose to Virginia last year so fans should not take any wins for granted.

  • Ken Lee Pasadena, CA
    April 18, 2014 7:37 p.m.

    Good news for the Cougs…we will need all the plug and play quality players we can get…this is not a patsy schedule. …..but, the "power conference" jokers are not particularly scarier than any others…the haves rule and have nots are door mats in the power conferences….looking forward to Texas again…UCF and Boise State could be a lot more dangerous than Cal…could be a great and challenging year. Utah and Virginia are interchangeable…we've proven we can stub our toe if we don't pay attention to all the games.

  • wahului Stockton, CA
    April 18, 2014 7:10 p.m.

    I think the strategy is brilliant. Not only does it bring more game experience to the field, but it gives the newbies someone else who's got varied game perspective to talk to. I credit this to Greg Martzen. He's the real ringer!!

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    April 18, 2014 6:46 p.m.

    it's a good move, I applaud it. I think we saw where our lack of depth hurt the team. They've certainly increased the anticipation looking ahead to next season.