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Published: Friday, April 18 2014 12:08 p.m. MDT

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JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

bricha: "...both sides want the same thing...the difference is semantics."

No the difference is not "semantics". It is force vs free will.

The left wants government to insure that everyone does "their fair share" through increased taxes and government regulations. It is not enough to just help, you have to help in the way that the left wants you to or it doesn't count. It is not enough for a rich guy to create a job to help give a homeless person an opportunity, he has to give free money so they can have what they need without any effort.

I wonder what the left would say if we tried to force people to be religious. Religion inspires the village to look out for others and give generously of their time and money. What if we started mandating that all those godless people out there spend 3 or 4 hours each week in church? Pay tithes and offerings? What if government regulations required that everyone read scriptures and teach Sunday School lessons?

That would be an intrusive, overbearing government. But it wouldn't be any worse than the government that currently enforces the "religion" of the left.

Stormwalker
Cleveland , OH

Conservative vs Liberal, my experience. TMMV.

I was a member of a conservative church. Policy and custom said every member should hold a volunteer position to contribute and maintain engagement. Some filled key leadership positions for the congregation or congregational groups. But many were make-work, like "Choir Music Librarian" and other such.

I now attend a church that is very liberal. We have a small paid staff - two half-time ministers, an administrator, a finance officer, a couple of others. And there are Sunday school and other teachers. Congregation members have huge volunteer efforts in the community. Some I am aware of includes Gay rights; human trafficking; fracking; healthcare legislation and access; voter access; prison and sentencing reform and at least 20 more areas.

Two evangelical churches I attended were more like the first, and a Methodist church I was part of was closer to the latter.

My experience says conservative groups tend to turn in and be primarily (not exclusively) focused on the group. Liberal groups tend to turn out, and put efforts into helping those in the wide-world and building inclusive beloved community.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Marxism is alive and well on this thread. Look at how many posters believe that being paid for your labor is not enough. They believe that you have to be given part of the company. "Lick" was paid for his efforts. He had no further claim on the Internet, yet liberals tell us that he deserved $billions. Why? He was paid for what he did. They believe that when you and I and they each pay our fair share of the infrastructure, that they get to own it, and that we have to pay them to use it. Why? Who made them more equal than the rest of us?

We eat our bread by the sweat of our brow, but too many think that they are entitled to be served at the King's table without working. They think that their labor, for which they have been paid, also entitles them to the deed for the property.

Who taught them those Marxist theories? Were they sluffing school when AMERICAN civics were being taught?

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

"I wonder what the left would say if we tried to force people to be religious. Religion inspires the village to look out for others and give generously of their time and money. What if we started mandating that all those godless people out there spend 3 or 4 hours each week in church? Pay tithes and offerings? What if government regulations required that everyone read scriptures and teach Sunday School lessons?

That would be an intrusive, overbearing government. But it wouldn't be any worse than the government that currently enforces the "religion" of the left."

No worse then the current government? What country do you live in? Because here in 'Merica nobody forces you to volunteer at the homeless center, or read Marx. What government regulations do you think are equivalent to requiring you to read scripture and teach Sunday school?

You do realize, don't you, that nobody forces you to help the poor?

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Redshirt
"hot dogs at 7-11, and all sorts of other things that those who don't qualify for food stamps would consider a treat"

No civilized society has ever considered 7-11 hotdogs a "treat".

Stormwalker
Cleveland , OH

Liberal Agenda: “If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.”

Clearly socialist: “I tell you the truth, it is very hard for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. I’ll say it again—it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!”

Welfare Moocher: "For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink. I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me."

Probably a homosexual apologist: "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy."

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Stormwalker" you have it wrong.

The Liberal Agenda is we will take your possessions and distribute them to the poor, while retaining some for us. Unless we force all to do this, all will be lost.

The conservative agenda is, if you want to help then volunteer your help. If you don't want to help that is your choice. If you offend us, don't expect our business anymore.

The welfare moocher is not as you paint it either. The welfare moocher says I need more stuff, but don't expect me to give up my $300 smart phone, booze, or smokes. Don't expect the moocher to work more than 1 job if they do work.

Through your examples you try to make liberals look sainted. However, research and hard facts show that liberals give more to art programs than food shelters, and are hard to find when volunteer efforts are needed. Conservatives are the ones giving to the poor, helping the poor, and are looking to keep us away from Sodom.

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