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How Hobby Lobby's president is standing up for religion — and putting it into schools

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  • The Scientist Provo, UT
    April 22, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    DeseretDebbie wrote:

    "...Hobby Lobby as using Christ for political and economic gain. That's highly offensive to my faith."

    Mine, too!

  • DeseretDebbie Corona, CA
    April 22, 2014 11:59 a.m.

    Having the separation between church/state is critical to having religious freedom. It is not for Hobby Lobby owners to push their beliefs. That is the direct responsibility of each parent. I personally see Hobby Lobby as using Christ for political and economic gain. That's highly offensive to my faith.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    April 22, 2014 10:52 a.m.

    @Jamescmeyer 7:37 a.m. April 21, 2014

    Even if the Bible were only taught in an academic sense, considering how significant a book it is both domestically and internationally, the idea of not studying it, even just for the sake of diversity and humanities, is baffling.

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    The problem here is that Green hasn't created a class that will look at the Bible critically and analytically+ Study of the Bible would be acceptable in a critically-based high school senior-level or college-level elective comparative religion type of class. That's not what Green is contemplating -- he's created a class curriculum that validates it, and is attempting to indoctrinate students who are at an impressionable age. In other words, he's using a public school class as a missionary proselyting tool. That crosses the line from potentially acceptable to absolutely unacceptable.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    April 22, 2014 8:12 a.m.

    I can see this type of lesson in a high school senior-level or college-level elective comparative religion type of class. It does not belong in high school as contemplated by Green. Once again he proves that he is trying to impose his version of religion on society. He needs to study the Constitution, and respecft the limits it draws. This type of "class" is unacceptable, and incompatible with a public school environment.

  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    April 21, 2014 7:37 a.m.

    Even if the Bible were only taught in an academic sense, considering how significant a book it is both domestically and internationally, the idea of not studying it, even just for the sake of diversity and humanities, is baffling.

  • Candied Ginger Brooklyn, OH
    April 19, 2014 11:07 a.m.

    We are not Christian. My kids are being raised in Buddhism and Taoism, with exposure to a wide variety of other teachings.

    When my kids are at school I want them to learn math and science and history and English. Not be indoctrinated into a religious view I have found to be negative and harmful.

    This is a very dangerous movement and I hope it gets challenged very quickly and the courts shut it down.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    April 19, 2014 8:47 a.m.

    Wow. Every person, so far, who has commented agrees: this is a bad idea.

    This is so far out of the mainstream and has so many places to create problems. Starting with the argument that "if the Bible, then we should include..." Islam. Wicca and Pagan writings. Buddhist texts and Hindu writings. The Tao Te Ching. And on and on.

    How about science and math?

    But this is hand-in-hand with their other actions. Hobby Lobby has a case in the Supreme Court about "religious rights." Not one corporation or group has filed a brief supporting their position. Not one, not even Chik-Fil-A or others that are openly right-wing and religious.

    Their agenda seems to be a problem on every front.

  • Rustymommy Clovis, NM
    April 18, 2014 5:18 p.m.

    I'm LDS and would love to see Bible study offered in the school. But mandatory? I think that is stepping on somebody else's rights. As an elective, it is a good idea, but schools need to recognize that not all people interpret the Bible the same. Therefore, there may be a problem with establishing "right and wrong" answers on questions of doctrine Therefore, it would be hard to teach the subject without bias. When I was a kid, many students were allowed an hour away from school for Catechism every week. In Utah, many schools provide during school hours a non credit period for seminary. So it seems like something could and should be worked out without violating somebody else's religious rights. In the case of Utah, I assume that any religious group that is interested and committed would be allowed to have a non credit course for students of other persuasions.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    April 18, 2014 9:16 a.m.

    “Green explained that his goals for a high school curriculum were to show that the Bible is true”

    And…

    “The same Supreme Court ruling that… "Nothing we have said here indicates that such study of the Bible … when presented objectively as part of a secular program of education.”

    Whenever someone makes a state like “the Bible is true” or “the Church is true” I’m always baffled as to what they mean. It’s like saying “the Roman Empire is true” which in terms of both grammar & logic is about as nonsensical as saying 1+1=Thursday.

    Anyway, assuming Green’s view is that every word/claim in the Bible is literally true, he does realize the two quoted views above are mutually exclusive, doesn’t he?

  • RFLASH Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2014 8:39 a.m.

    If they want to learn the Bible, they should go to a church run private school or learn it on their own time. There are reasons we should separate church and state. Many may not believe this until another faith is telling you how to live your life!

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    April 18, 2014 8:14 a.m.

    This is not about "standing up for religion",
    this is an arrogant $Billionsaire provoking an arguement for a publicity stunt.

    If it was truely about relgion,
    Why not have a tax paid Holy Koran based public school?
    How about Utah adopting the Book of Mormon?

    Face it,
    this doesn not pass the Supreme Court smell test,
    he's looking for another publicity stunt.

  • cocosweet Sandy, UT
    April 18, 2014 7:58 a.m.

    Hmmmm. I wouldn't have a problem (and would be thrilled that my children would have the opportunity) if the class contained text from major religions. By only having the Bible represented smacks of having the state approving of just one religion. I also find it high disturbing that the "pilot" program is located in the town where the corporate headquarters is locate. That give Hobby Lobby waaay too much influence in my book.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    April 18, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    This guy wants to eventually make this a required course - that's his goal. Presumably he would not be in the same camp of those who want to offer voucher for private schools, which could (theoretically) include Muslim Madrassa schools that teach the Islamic view of life, truth, etc.

    It's probably a safe assumption that this guy would be vigorously opposed to a similar course offered on the Book of Mormon.

    And this is the same guy that everyone on the Right is lining up supporting, against Obamacare?

    Do you folks even know who you're hitching your wagon to?

  • Ranch Here, UT
    April 18, 2014 7:22 a.m.

    Instead of teaching science and reality based education, Oklahoma is going to try to keep kids in the dark-ages. If he wants to fund a private school, and parents choose to send their children there, fine, but not in public school. What a waste for good young minds.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    April 18, 2014 6:25 a.m.

    I have no issue with a bible type course being taught as an ELECTIVE and paid for by an individual.

    However, the minute the taxpayer starts funding a "bible class" the red flags go off.

    As Vern pointed out, the same "religious freedom" crowd would be outraged if this were a wealthy Muslim and the class taught about the Quran.

    The issue here is certainly not about "religious freedom". It is about pushing the Christian religion in schools at taxpayer expense.

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    April 17, 2014 9:25 p.m.

    This is not a good idea. I don't want public schools teaching my children about religion. We do that at home. The Bible is already able to be taught as a work of literature. Many school texts discuss various passages of the Bible.

    A study of world religions, with the intention of exposing kids to other cultures and mutual understanding; yes. Letting one group interpret sacred text for public school kids, no.

  • vern001 Castle Rock, CO
    April 17, 2014 6:58 p.m.

    I'm pretty sure that if a rich Muslim billionaire decided to push for a Koran-based curriculum in US schools, people would be outraged.

    Let's keep schools and church separate, they way the Founding Fathers intended.