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Published: Thursday, April 17 2014 9:00 a.m. MDT

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

If you get to call someone who questions the voracity and certainly the application of the bible, with quotes, 'enlightened', do they then get to call you 'unenlightened'? Maybe the use of such terminology is not helpful.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Excellent editorial. Mr. Evensen nailed it. People might scoff at those who profess a belief in God, but those people can't explain what or who gave them life. Until they can, they have to admit that the "creative process" that breathes life into their body is more incredible than the mind can imagine. Some even mock the Bible, but could they explain the creation of the universe, or even nuclear physics to someone who had never even seen a light bulb? Just what words would they use? Would those people who had never seen a light bulb scoff? Who they hurl insults because their uneducated minds believe that nuclear physics was "magic"?

Thanks, Jay Evensen for reminding us that people are much more than what they look like.

slcdenizen
t-ville, UT

@Mike Richards

"but could they explain the creation of the universe, or even nuclear physics to someone who had never even seen a light bulb?"

Yes, children are born unaccustomed to the wonders of modern civilization and transition quite smoothly. It's a poor argument that God patronizingly withheld pertinent information that would have contributed to human flourishment because they would not have understood it at the time. What a twisted and sadistic deity. Our ancestors massacred each other and suffered short, traumatic lives due to self-imposed ignorance regarding their natural world. Your God presented a cryptic series of documents with little to no information about alleviating temporal suffering and instead obsessively demanded to be worshipped through bizarre rituals. This is the God we are supposed to respect and love? No thank you.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

You said that your ancestors massacred each other. That's breaking the commandment to not murder. You said that God said nothing alleviating temporal suffering, but He told us to love our neighbor. You mentioned "bizarre rituals", when those "bizarre rituals" were the very things that remind us of the sacrifice of the Only Begotten Son in the flesh. You finished by saying that you would not honor God when He instructed you and me and all mankind to honor our father and mother. He is our father. You lived with Him, loved Him and learned from Him, but now you show contempt for Him. He has not changed, but, sadly, it seems that you have.

Isn't that what Jay was writing about: "The trend among many “enlightened” modern beings is to discount what is found in the Bible. It may surprise many of them, then, to know that two Greek gods, Narcissus and Eros, are widely and unapologetically worshipped in today’s world, mostly in ignorance, and that they, the enlightened ones, are suffering for it."

slcdenizen
t-ville, UT

@Mike Richards

Narcissism and erudition are among the least of humanity's problems. I do show contempt for the fictional gods that my fellow humans feel compelled to worship because it is often at the expense of a better world. I'm sure you're a reasonable and law abiding person, but not as a result of your religion and most certainly not because of the bible. Our social values and norms have evolved because of the enlightenment. If your daughter was found to be a non-virgin on her wedding night, would you participate in the stoning? God condoned it for the Israelites. Why shouldn't we follow his loving commandments now?

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Contrary to your statement, God's laws were taught to me long before I even knew anything about civil laws. Man without God teaches the law of the survival of the fittest, or the guy with the biggest club makes the rules. We've seen that in our own lifetime. Look at Iraq, Afganistan, many Africa countries and some South American counties. What do those countries have in common? In most, the people and the leaders don't believe in Jesus Christ as the resurrected Son of God. When left to their own devices, do they make laws that ennoble mankind or do they make laws to subject mankind to the guy with the biggest stick?

You can tell yourself that God does not exist. He will still give you air to breathe, sunlight to warm your face,water to drink. and thoughts to think that enlarge your understanding, but when life is over and you stand face to face with your Creator, you'll know, absolutely, just how petty you were when all he wanted to do was to bless your life.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

MR, " People might scoff at those who profess a belief in God, but those people can't explain what or who gave them life. Until they can, they have to admit that the "creative process" that breathes life into their body is more incredible than the mind can imagine. "

First of all what is the requirement that someone or something gave us life? What if life just occurred, and sorry but the mind can comprehend the creation of life. We don't have to understand all the details in order to understand the process. The same as you don't claim to understand the processes of God in creating souls (the breath of life).

Secondly when you talk about bizarre rituals, breaking commandments, and the Son of God all in reference to a God given correct life you automatically exclude all those humans who lived before the old testament times. That's basically excluding 45,000 years of human existence that we know of.

To consider your personal experience as the experience of the world is the ultimate narcissism.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

"Men don’t escape the harm, either. Other studies show pornography causes them to view women as objects for gratification, rather than as the people they truly are."

I would agree with this. This is commonly called objectifying women, but let me give you a different look at objectification.

Objectification is treating a person as a thing without regard to their dignity (Jay says, rather than who they truly are).

If you create a culture that tells women that their role in life is to be a wife, a mother, and subservient to the man, doesn't that objectify women every bit as much as any other form of objectification. The only difference is the culture believes one objectification comes from God and one from evil..marketing, that's all.

1covey
Salt Lake City, UT

I remember reading in the Reader's Digest many years ago a statement attributed to Cecil B. DeMille that "We do not break God's commandments;we break ourselves against them". God does not treat us as pets; He allows us to exercise our faculties and our agency that we might grow in our capacities. God does give us guidance, but it is up to us to make choices. Total reliance on the Bible is not without problem as great diversity in interpreting it attests. Luckily (or providently), additional scripture is available (Book of Mormon, etc.) and, better still, living prophets. Don't believe in the latter? Have you really investigated?

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