If the NCAA is so against the name indian then they need to move out of
INDIANAPOLIS INDIANA and both names need to be changed as well because both
contain the word indian,stanford had to change the name of their mascot years
ago because the NCAA threatened to sanction them if they kept the name hence
they changed the mascot to cardinal so whats good for the goose is good for
the gander,butapparently the ncaa sees it differently.
Since everybody cares what I think, here's my opinion on the matter...
re Fred T (on 4/17)What about Coyotes?to scenic viewYou forgot the Auburn Tigers.
re: Hawk"Having been thru this years ago I can't imagine
that as an institution, Stanford -- an academic and philosophical leader of the
PAC12 -- will sit idly by on this issue"Yet, they are known as
the Cardinal not the bird but an ode to numerical vanity. Their mascot is a tree
for crying out loud. They have precious little ground to cling to IMO.
I won't pull for the Univ. of Utah regardless of its nickname, but this is
idiotic political correctness. If someone doesn't like the name, they
don't have to be a fan of the team. Who cares if a bunch of political
radicals want to create havoc?
I believe that if the Ute tribe finds it offensive for Utah to use the name,
“Utes” than that University should changed the name. Otherwise, I
think they should keep the name.If any other tribe finds it
offensive for Utah to use the Ute name, than the tribe that finds it offensive
should settle their differences with the Ute tribe. At that time, if the Ute
tribe feels it best that the name Ute be dropped, than I believe it should be
dropped. If the Ute tribe wants Utah to continue with the name, I believe the
name should be continued.I think that no one else should decide if
the University should keep or change the name.I am a Cougar fan that
believes that the Utes should have the right to keep or change the name as they
feel fit, but my feelings for change are based on the first and second
Cats:"The Ute tribe didn't sell out."If the
Ute tribe was offended by the Univ. of Utah calling ourselves the
"Utes", but agreed to let us keep the nickname because we threw money at
them, then they DID indeed "sell out". If they weren't offended,
then all this talk about Utah's use of the name "Utes" as offensive
was simply an underhanded shakedown. There's no other way to look at it.
Nobody in Ireland gets "royalties" from Notre Dame, nor should they.
Ditto for the Scandinavians because some teams call themselves the Vikings, nor
are the Greeks due anything because of the Trojans or Spartans. Rednecks
don't get anything because of the "Cowboys", nor do farmers collect
anything from Nebraska. Spain gets nothing for the "Conquistadors", and
Mexicans get nothing from San Diego St.
The Ute tribe didn't sell out. They are receiving "royalties" for
the use of their name. How does that hurt them or anyone else. They are fine
with it.BTW, the Utes have always been the Utes. They were only
called the Redskins as a further nickname. The basketball team was called the
Runnin' Redskins because it had good alliteration. It was changed when it
was decided that it was inappropriate. But, the actual team name has never been
changed. It has always been the Utes.I'm glad they're
holding out. This PC perpetrated by a bunch white people who suffer from
overwhelming white guilt is getting ridiculous.
I vote that they change their name to that of the most successful sports program
on campus, the Red Rocks.
Why all the fuss towards the Utes? They've sold the marketing rights to
their name and ensured the educational future of their children. Isn't
that the American dream?Aren't deals such as this, the very
basis of Capitalism?Isn't this an indictment of our country's
financial foundation?Isn't this an indictment of our entire American
society?You can force Utah to pick a new mascot, but in the words of Eric
"Otter" Stratton, "we're not going to sit here, and listen to
you bad mouth the United States of America!"
Take away the "Utes" and it's still the University of Utah located
in the state of Utah, just north of Utah county. Change them all or just go
away and leave the Utes and the Runnin' Utes alone. And take the red
tailed hawk with you. No one likes this anyway.
sammy,that was a clever post. thanks for the laugh.I
wonder when Ireland will approach Notre Dame about the offensive portrayal of
It will stay forever. GO UTES!!
@Naval VetYou are correct. And if they are so happy with everything why
can't you have a Ute on the sideline? Free education now and next will be
royalties for anything sold with the UTES or helmet logo on it. It's
unfortunate that it has come to this.I do think though that the U of U
marketing department needs to get the whole athletic department under one name,
with a mascot that relates. Utes, Red Rocks, and a red tail hawk is a bit of a
mess. Once they get that figured out then a new fight song could be composed to
tie it all together. Good Luck Utes.
This is how the Government is going to kill the 1st amendment. Through all this
political correctness garbage.
The U should just shut down it's sports programs. It's nickname is
racist and it's fight song is sexist. The school is obviously unfit to
participate in collegiate sports.
Meanwhile, Notre Dame is called the Fighting Irish, and their mascot is a little
drunk white leprechaun wearing pointy shoes, a scowl on his face, and his fists
raised in a fighting position.Because Irish people drinking, wearing
pointy shoes, and picking fights isn't stereotypical or anything.I guess white guilt ends when it's whites who are being stereotyped.
I remember former Univ. of Utah Pres. Bernie Machen say if the Ute tribe finds
the "Utes" offensive, then it's offensive, and that no amount of
scholarships will make it unoffensive. Yet we turned around and offered the
Utes a whole lot of scholarships in order to keep the name. I don't
support this agreement. If the "Utes" is offensive, then the Utes just
"sold out". If it's NOT offensive, then why are we all of a sudden
granting special privileges on one group of society based soley on race?
That's the very essence of racism, and it is unacceptable.Personally, I believe that the nickname "Utes" actually honors the
tribe. You don't see institutions calling themselves something that
DIShonors themselves. How many schools call themselves the
"alcoholics", the "bum derelicts", the "cry babies" or
the "co-dependents"? You see mascots like the "Conquistadors";
not the "conquered". So if the Utes like the recognition, they should
accredit it WITHOUT the demand entitlement of "free education" --
unafforded anyone else. But if they DON'T like it, then let's
disassociate ourselves from them, identify with someone/something else, and let
their culture fade into obscurity.
Brad,The TV broadcasters on ESPN and the PAC 12 networks sure like
saying "Utes" and "Running Utes" alot during their broadcasts of
Utah football and basketball games. It is different and has a nice ring to it.
And it is just what the Ute Tribe wants. Exposure.
Since they are both highly respected, research institutions, in the PAC-12, the
Utes should just change their mascot to a color like Stanford.
Why not drop nicknames and monikers altogether? I see nothing wrong with just
using:UtahStanfordUCLACaletc.Utah could keep its colors and have a mascot. Though I question if they even
really need a mascot. Problem solved.
Stanford Indians, Dartmouth Indians, North Dakota Fighting Sioux and others have
gone by the wayside. The Cleveland Indians and the Washington Redskins are also
under considerable pressure to enter the modern era. Hopefully, Utah can't
be far behind. Would the Ute Tribe be so compliant if they weren't being
paid? Purchased loyalty is evanescent loyalty.
Political correctness has run amuck.The University of Utah has for
many, many years treated the Ute name respectfully. The Ute Tribe is fine with
it and appreciates the scholarship that the U provides. So what is the problem?
It's a bunch of non-Native Americans butting in and telling the Utes and
the University of Utah what THEY find acceptable!High unemployment,
trillions in debt, on the verge of another war, and the politically correct
worry about this?
Just as the U of U football team fades annually into irrelevance, the nickname
will also eventually go away.
That dang Lorex going around speaking for the trees, look what he has stated,
now everyone is speaking for everyone or everything else.
Fred TThe SEC already has- Georgia Bulldogs-
Mississippi State Bulldogs- LSU Tigers- Missouri TigersSo why couldn't the PAC 12 have- Stanford Cardinal-
I would love to have someone from the PC police explain why one of the following
is acceptable, while the other two are considered derogatory and/or
demeaning:Illinois (Fighting Illini)North Dakota (Fighting
Sioux)Notre Dame (Fighting Irish)
Schnee,"The Red Rocks" seems to be the logical alternative. I like
it! Go Utes! Go Red Rocks!
This world has long been overcome by way too much political correctness. Often
those pushing for PC don't even understand all the issues involved and
don't care. For their own selfish agendas they puch everyone to conform
what they think is right and acceptable. While they claim they are defenders of
diversity, in reality their efforts are gradually removing diversity from our
society. I'm all for being respectful and the PC crowd needs to accept the
fact that some of these nicknames are used in a respectful way. Of course some
people will abuse them. There are simply some people in thise world who
don't care to be respectful and no matter how hard the PC people push, they
won't change that.
@Fred TPersonally I like the play on words that would come with Red Rocs,
though replacing the name of a tribe with a middle eastern mythological creature
probably doesn't help much.
First, let's remember that the original name was "University of
Deseret" when established on Feb 28, 1850.So some of these might
work.Danites, Son of Thunder, Destroying Angels, Seagulls,
Locusts, Salt Lakers, Pioneers, Great Salt Lakers, Hilltoppers, Perhaps: Unicorns. UofU Unicorns... sort of has a ring to it.Although "Redhawks" would allow the same colors and perhaps only a
slight variation of the logo.Red Foxes (then you can keep your
colors)Red Wolves is already taken, but Wolves would probably offend a
wolf lover.Perhaps "Parks" because Upon his death in 1900,
Dr. John R. Park bequeathed his entire fortune to the university.There exists Delta State University Fighting OkraPerhaps, Fighting
Zucchini or Fighting Yellow Squash might work due to the local home gardeners
and over abundance of the stuff.A variation of "Cougars"
might work too. "Mountain Lions" or "Panthers",
"Pumas", same animal as Cougar which is fitting since both schools get
into word wars with each other.... I would say just become the
"Cougars" but Washington State is already that in their conference.Earlham College are the "Hustlin' Quakers", so perhaps
What a ridiculous article on a tiresome topic. The fact that people protest this
topic in the first place as being "disrespectful"is dumb enough. It is
quite the opposite of disrespectful to use the Ute name as a mascot. A mascot is
used as a symbol of respect, and what the whole fan base roots for. How is that
disrespectful?? It also expands knowledge of the tribe. Living in
Idaho, I go to work almost every day wearing a Utah hat, and, or shirt. I get
asked all the time "what is a Ute?" Most people don't even known
that the Ute tribe exists.Lastly, if any school were to ever deny
playing Utah because of their mascot, good riddance to them! We don't wanna
I think it's more disrespectful to the Ute tribe to have external entities
continually make this a PC issue, after the tribe has said it is perfectly fine
for the U of U to use the 'Ute' nickname. If ignoring the wishes of
Ute tribal leaders is not an overt act of marginalization, I don't know
Ok, let's see....it's now politically incorrect to use Native American
nicknames for sports teams because the WHITE people that signed and broke their
treaties, stole their lands, killed their people, mocked their customs and
forced them to reservations think it's disrespectful?? Yet our nations
capital is represented by a football team called the REDSKINS! Wow, there's
some PC hypocrisy for you.
I got an idea that will tick off a lot of Ute boosters. Let's change the
name to the Utah Mormons. After all Brother Brigham started the university and
it would be a good fit.
Brad don't worry about the name Utes.Write positive articles on the Utes
and let's get them winning in the PAC-12.You know with every article you
write you can't please everyone.
Start paying royalties to the Ute Tribe on all Ute memorabilia. When Stanford
and Cal demand a name change, just consider it another cost of joining the
Pac-12 and quit whining about it.
Brad it sounds like it bothers you.Relax and just enjoy the Utes when they
play.Winning is what the fans and Utes are worried about.
sammyg,That's a good one too. lol.A lot of people in the
west should get special consideration from Lehi High School and the University
of Denver for using the nickname of their ancestors...The Pioneers.
Having been thru this years ago I can't imagine that as an institution,
Stanford -- an academic and philosophical leader of the PAC12 -- will sit idly
by on this issue. I agree with Rock -- outcry will continue from many sides and
eventually the university will cave under the pressure of political
Most school choose a mascot or nickname that represents strength, courage, honor
or values like these. So, how is wanting to be like a Ute disrespectful?
When I went to Washington State we actually had a live cougar as a mascot. He
is now gone replaced by a person in a kitty suit, called Butch. There you
Newspaper folks should be glad of this extension. "Utes" is shorter in
a headline than is "Native American Tribe in Utah named the Utes."The Utes are happy. They get free publicity with every U of U article.
Though, they might rethink it after the next football season.
After reading the comments I'm simply offended today by people using the
University of Utah mascot's name in their Dnews profile name.I
think the profiles of 'ekute, 79ute, Jefe-Ute, bigutefan, etc. (and
let's also include any inanimate objects of a Native American origin living
in Utah such as 'Tomahawk Red') should be defaulted to 6 digit numbers
by the Dnews immediately until proof of attendance to a cultural awareness /
sensitivity class or a license agreement is provided.LOL
How long until the state has to change its name? This is PC stuff getting a
If there were a school on an Indian reservation called the Whitemen, and there
mascot was George Washington, I would think that would be showing the ultimate
respect. If there mascot was a cowboy with a six-shooter, I'd still think
it awesome. Racist? No.If an Indian school were called the Redmen,
Chiefs or Indians. It would be seen by society as perfectly acceptable.If a white school were called the Whitemen, it would be seen as elitist and
racist.Tough world we live in.
Honestly, the Utah Utes were the Redskins up until 1972? That is unreal I did
not know that. The Utes is clever, but Redskins? Wow. Who thought that up for
Utah?I think the Utes is great. Always saw it as a sign of respect
for who was here first. I don't understand why these Indian names are being
seen as disrespectful. Unless if your caricatures are mocking. But the
Seminoles, and Utes, I think it's great. There are so many great names that
represent people. Fighting Irish, Yankees, etc...
This is one of the silliest non issues ever. I can't believe it keeps
coming up. The Ute Tribe is perfectly fine with it and so should everyone else
be. I'm glad the school and the tribe haven't backed down.This is no more racist or inappropriate than the Fighting Irish or the
Minnesota Vikings. How about the Spartans? Gosh, I can't believe that
Greek people nationwide haven't started demonstrating.This
whole issue is just silly and I wish Brad would stop trying to make it one.
Brad, you stated several times that "Utes" is the mascot. That is not
correct, the mascot is a red-tail hawk. Utah DID change the mascot several years
ago. "Utes" is just the nickname used. Your stirring up trouble, where
there is not any trouble at all. How do you not know what is the nickname and
SLC BYU Fan,Best comment that I've read for years! lol.Is
that you, Chris?
The U's use if an Indian and feathers is beautiful and its respectful.
My PETA friends and I want all animal nicknames changed - it's inhumane and
disrespectful to the animals to try to humanize them with such shameful
caricatures. And while we're at it, the Minnesota NFL team needs to drop
the Viking name.
Perhaps the best compromise will be for BYU to give up college athletics and for
Utah to take up being the Cougars!
I worked with a member of the Ute tribe. She dressed up in her tribal wear and a
bunch of white people told her she was being inappropriate and disrespectful.
WHAT?!? I didn't know that even members of the Ute tribe weren't
allowed to wear their own tribal clothes. I hope the Utes continue to make
agreements with the Ute tribe. Like ALL the stories are saying, it's a win
SwoopSalt Lake City, UTIn the politically correct world of the left
coast, it's only a matter of time before Utah is forced to conform to more
enlightened standards.------------Especially in the
notoriously liberal Pac 12. I say the name is changed within 10 years.
In the politically correct world of the left coast, it's only a matter of
time before Utah is forced to conform to more enlightened standards.
If the people from the Ute tribe are not offended then why change??Who is offended? A bunch of white people who have nothing better to do that be
annoyed at everything they can find.
Trust me on this one - groups will begin to oppose the use of animals as
mascots, as well.Eagle feathers are sacred to Native Americans, so
why should they be allowed as a mascot for athletic teams in the broader
society?What oh what oh what shall we do then?And since
I'm part Irish, I'm definitely going to sue Notre Dame for their
pejorative use of my heritage in a way that reinforces negative stereotypes
about my people and how they behave after having too much to drink.NO NICKNAMES for sports teams, and while we're at it, a number of states
will need to be renamed, including our own. The Utes have had too long to be
recognized by the name of the state. Next up, "Shoshonia", or maybe