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Brad Rock: Utes nickname won't stay forever

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  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    April 27, 2014 5:58 p.m.

    If the NCAA is so against the name indian then they need to move out of INDIANAPOLIS INDIANA and both names need to be changed as well because both contain the word indian,stanford had to change the name of their mascot years ago because the NCAA threatened to sanction them if they kept the name hence they changed the mascot to cardinal so whats good for the goose is good for the gander,butapparently the ncaa sees it differently.

  • mn_online In, UT
    April 21, 2014 11:14 a.m.

    Since everybody cares what I think, here's my opinion on the matter...

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    April 20, 2014 2:02 p.m.

    re Fred T (on 4/17)

    What about Coyotes?

    to scenic view

    You forgot the Auburn Tigers.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    April 20, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    re: Hawk

    "Having been thru this years ago I can't imagine that as an institution, Stanford -- an academic and philosophical leader of the PAC12 -- will sit idly by on this issue"

    Yet, they are known as the Cardinal not the bird but an ode to numerical vanity. Their mascot is a tree for crying out loud. They have precious little ground to cling to IMO.

  • GilmerTexasCougar Gilmer, TX
    April 19, 2014 7:32 p.m.

    I won't pull for the Univ. of Utah regardless of its nickname, but this is idiotic political correctness. If someone doesn't like the name, they don't have to be a fan of the team. Who cares if a bunch of political radicals want to create havoc?

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    April 18, 2014 8:36 p.m.

    I believe that if the Ute tribe finds it offensive for Utah to use the name, “Utes” than that University should changed the name. Otherwise, I think they should keep the name.

    If any other tribe finds it offensive for Utah to use the Ute name, than the tribe that finds it offensive should settle their differences with the Ute tribe. At that time, if the Ute tribe feels it best that the name Ute be dropped, than I believe it should be dropped. If the Ute tribe wants Utah to continue with the name, I believe the name should be continued.

    I think that no one else should decide if the University should keep or change the name.

    I am a Cougar fan that believes that the Utes should have the right to keep or change the name as they feel fit, but my feelings for change are based on the first and second paragraphs above.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 18, 2014 6:37 p.m.

    Cats:

    "The Ute tribe didn't sell out."

    If the Ute tribe was offended by the Univ. of Utah calling ourselves the "Utes", but agreed to let us keep the nickname because we threw money at them, then they DID indeed "sell out". If they weren't offended, then all this talk about Utah's use of the name "Utes" as offensive was simply an underhanded shakedown. There's no other way to look at it. Nobody in Ireland gets "royalties" from Notre Dame, nor should they. Ditto for the Scandinavians because some teams call themselves the Vikings, nor are the Greeks due anything because of the Trojans or Spartans. Rednecks don't get anything because of the "Cowboys", nor do farmers collect anything from Nebraska. Spain gets nothing for the "Conquistadors", and Mexicans get nothing from San Diego St.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    April 18, 2014 9:07 a.m.

    The Ute tribe didn't sell out. They are receiving "royalties" for the use of their name. How does that hurt them or anyone else. They are fine with it.

    BTW, the Utes have always been the Utes. They were only called the Redskins as a further nickname. The basketball team was called the Runnin' Redskins because it had good alliteration. It was changed when it was decided that it was inappropriate. But, the actual team name has never been changed. It has always been the Utes.

    I'm glad they're holding out. This PC perpetrated by a bunch white people who suffer from overwhelming white guilt is getting ridiculous.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    April 18, 2014 8:35 a.m.

    I vote that they change their name to that of the most successful sports program on campus, the Red Rocks.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2014 10:26 p.m.

    Why all the fuss towards the Utes? They've sold the marketing rights to their name and ensured the educational future of their children. Isn't that the American dream?

    Aren't deals such as this, the very basis of Capitalism?
    Isn't this an indictment of our country's financial foundation?
    Isn't this an indictment of our entire American society?
    You can force Utah to pick a new mascot, but in the words of Eric "Otter" Stratton, "we're not going to sit here, and listen to you bad mouth the United States of America!"

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    April 17, 2014 7:33 p.m.

    Take away the "Utes" and it's still the University of Utah located in the state of Utah, just north of Utah county. Change them all or just go away and leave the Utes and the Runnin' Utes alone. And take the red tailed hawk with you. No one likes this anyway.

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 17, 2014 7:00 p.m.

    sammy,

    that was a clever post. thanks for the laugh.

    I wonder when Ireland will approach Notre Dame about the offensive portrayal of "the "Irish"

  • Koula Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2014 5:17 p.m.

    It will stay forever. GO UTES!!

  • Adirondack Cougar Loon Lake, NY
    April 17, 2014 1:33 p.m.

    @Naval Vet
    You are correct. And if they are so happy with everything why can't you have a Ute on the sideline? Free education now and next will be royalties for anything sold with the UTES or helmet logo on it. It's unfortunate that it has come to this.
    I do think though that the U of U marketing department needs to get the whole athletic department under one name, with a mascot that relates. Utes, Red Rocks, and a red tail hawk is a bit of a mess. Once they get that figured out then a new fight song could be composed to tie it all together. Good Luck Utes.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    April 17, 2014 12:20 p.m.

    This is how the Government is going to kill the 1st amendment. Through all this political correctness garbage.

  • McMurphy St George, Utah
    April 17, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    The U should just shut down it's sports programs. It's nickname is racist and it's fight song is sexist. The school is obviously unfit to participate in collegiate sports.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 17, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    Meanwhile, Notre Dame is called the Fighting Irish, and their mascot is a little drunk white leprechaun wearing pointy shoes, a scowl on his face, and his fists raised in a fighting position.

    Because Irish people drinking, wearing pointy shoes, and picking fights isn't stereotypical or anything.

    I guess white guilt ends when it's whites who are being stereotyped.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 17, 2014 11:38 a.m.

    I remember former Univ. of Utah Pres. Bernie Machen say if the Ute tribe finds the "Utes" offensive, then it's offensive, and that no amount of scholarships will make it unoffensive. Yet we turned around and offered the Utes a whole lot of scholarships in order to keep the name. I don't support this agreement. If the "Utes" is offensive, then the Utes just "sold out". If it's NOT offensive, then why are we all of a sudden granting special privileges on one group of society based soley on race? That's the very essence of racism, and it is unacceptable.

    Personally, I believe that the nickname "Utes" actually honors the tribe. You don't see institutions calling themselves something that DIShonors themselves. How many schools call themselves the "alcoholics", the "bum derelicts", the "cry babies" or the "co-dependents"? You see mascots like the "Conquistadors"; not the "conquered". So if the Utes like the recognition, they should accredit it WITHOUT the demand entitlement of "free education" -- unafforded anyone else. But if they DON'T like it, then let's disassociate ourselves from them, identify with someone/something else, and let their culture fade into obscurity.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    April 17, 2014 11:33 a.m.

    Brad,

    The TV broadcasters on ESPN and the PAC 12 networks sure like saying "Utes" and "Running Utes" alot during their broadcasts of Utah football and basketball games. It is different and has a nice ring to it. And it is just what the Ute Tribe wants. Exposure.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    April 17, 2014 10:56 a.m.

    Since they are both highly respected, research institutions, in the PAC-12, the Utes should just change their mascot to a color like Stanford.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    April 17, 2014 10:51 a.m.

    Why not drop nicknames and monikers altogether? I see nothing wrong with just using:

    Utah
    Stanford
    UCLA
    Cal
    etc.

    Utah could keep its colors and have a mascot. Though I question if they even really need a mascot. Problem solved.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2014 10:48 a.m.

    Stanford Indians, Dartmouth Indians, North Dakota Fighting Sioux and others have gone by the wayside. The Cleveland Indians and the Washington Redskins are also under considerable pressure to enter the modern era. Hopefully, Utah can't be far behind. Would the Ute Tribe be so compliant if they weren't being paid? Purchased loyalty is evanescent loyalty.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    April 17, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    Political correctness has run amuck.

    The University of Utah has for many, many years treated the Ute name respectfully. The Ute Tribe is fine with it and appreciates the scholarship that the U provides. So what is the problem? It's a bunch of non-Native Americans butting in and telling the Utes and the University of Utah what THEY find acceptable!

    High unemployment, trillions in debt, on the verge of another war, and the politically correct worry about this?

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    April 17, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    Just as the U of U football team fades annually into irrelevance, the nickname will also eventually go away.

  • BU52 Provo, ut
    April 17, 2014 10:32 a.m.

    That dang Lorex going around speaking for the trees, look what he has stated, now everyone is speaking for everyone or everything else.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    April 17, 2014 10:25 a.m.

    Fred T

    The SEC already has

    - Georgia Bulldogs
    - Mississippi State Bulldogs
    - LSU Tigers
    - Missouri Tigers

    So why couldn't the PAC 12 have

    - Stanford Cardinal
    - Utah Crimson

  • UtahUte91 Sandy, UT
    April 17, 2014 10:19 a.m.

    I would love to have someone from the PC police explain why one of the following is acceptable, while the other two are considered derogatory and/or demeaning:

    Illinois (Fighting Illini)
    North Dakota (Fighting Sioux)
    Notre Dame (Fighting Irish)

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 17, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    Schnee,
    "The Red Rocks" seems to be the logical alternative. I like it! Go Utes! Go Red Rocks!

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 17, 2014 10:16 a.m.

    This world has long been overcome by way too much political correctness. Often those pushing for PC don't even understand all the issues involved and don't care. For their own selfish agendas they puch everyone to conform what they think is right and acceptable. While they claim they are defenders of diversity, in reality their efforts are gradually removing diversity from our society. I'm all for being respectful and the PC crowd needs to accept the fact that some of these nicknames are used in a respectful way. Of course some people will abuse them. There are simply some people in thise world who don't care to be respectful and no matter how hard the PC people push, they won't change that.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2014 10:05 a.m.

    @Fred T
    Personally I like the play on words that would come with Red Rocs, though replacing the name of a tribe with a middle eastern mythological creature probably doesn't help much.

  • Fred T PHOENIX, AZ
    April 17, 2014 9:27 a.m.

    First, let's remember that the original name was "University of Deseret" when established on Feb 28, 1850.

    So some of these might work.

    Danites, Son of Thunder, Destroying Angels,
    Seagulls, Locusts, Salt Lakers, Pioneers, Great Salt Lakers,
    Hilltoppers,

    Perhaps: Unicorns. UofU Unicorns... sort of has a ring to it.

    Although "Redhawks" would allow the same colors and perhaps only a slight variation of the logo.

    Red Foxes (then you can keep your colors)
    Red Wolves is already taken, but Wolves would probably offend a wolf lover.

    Perhaps "Parks" because Upon his death in 1900, Dr. John R. Park bequeathed his entire fortune to the university.

    There exists Delta State University Fighting Okra
    Perhaps, Fighting Zucchini or Fighting Yellow Squash might work due to the local home gardeners and over abundance of the stuff.

    A variation of "Cougars" might work too.
    "Mountain Lions" or "Panthers", "Pumas", same animal as Cougar which is fitting since both schools get into word wars with each other.... I would say just become the "Cougars" but Washington State is already that in their conference.

    Earlham College are the "Hustlin' Quakers", so perhaps "Movin' Mormons"

  • UteinIdaho Sandpoint, ID
    April 17, 2014 9:13 a.m.

    What a ridiculous article on a tiresome topic. The fact that people protest this topic in the first place as being "disrespectful"is dumb enough. It is quite the opposite of disrespectful to use the Ute name as a mascot. A mascot is used as a symbol of respect, and what the whole fan base roots for. How is that disrespectful??

    It also expands knowledge of the tribe. Living in Idaho, I go to work almost every day wearing a Utah hat, and, or shirt. I get asked all the time "what is a Ute?" Most people don't even known that the Ute tribe exists.

    Lastly, if any school were to ever deny playing Utah because of their mascot, good riddance to them! We don't wanna play them!

  • ArgoFY Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 17, 2014 9:09 a.m.

    I think it's more disrespectful to the Ute tribe to have external entities continually make this a PC issue, after the tribe has said it is perfectly fine for the U of U to use the 'Ute' nickname. If ignoring the wishes of Ute tribal leaders is not an overt act of marginalization, I don't know what is.

  • dww722 North Salt Lake, UT
    April 17, 2014 9:03 a.m.

    Ok, let's see....it's now politically incorrect to use Native American nicknames for sports teams because the WHITE people that signed and broke their treaties, stole their lands, killed their people, mocked their customs and forced them to reservations think it's disrespectful?? Yet our nations capital is represented by a football team called the REDSKINS! Wow, there's some PC hypocrisy for you.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    April 17, 2014 8:49 a.m.

    I got an idea that will tick off a lot of Ute boosters. Let's change the name to the Utah Mormons. After all Brother Brigham started the university and it would be a good fit.

  • jaxon Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2014 8:39 a.m.

    Brad don't worry about the name Utes.Write positive articles on the Utes and let's get them winning in the PAC-12.You know with every article you write you can't please everyone.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    April 17, 2014 8:35 a.m.

    Start paying royalties to the Ute Tribe on all Ute memorabilia. When Stanford and Cal demand a name change, just consider it another cost of joining the Pac-12 and quit whining about it.

  • jaxon Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2014 8:33 a.m.

    Brad it sounds like it bothers you.Relax and just enjoy the Utes when they play.Winning is what the fans and Utes are worried about.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 17, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    sammyg,
    That's a good one too. lol.

    A lot of people in the west should get special consideration from Lehi High School and the University of Denver for using the nickname of their ancestors...The Pioneers.

  • Hawk Littleton, CO
    April 17, 2014 8:23 a.m.

    Having been thru this years ago I can't imagine that as an institution, Stanford -- an academic and philosophical leader of the PAC12 -- will sit idly by on this issue. I agree with Rock -- outcry will continue from many sides and eventually the university will cave under the pressure of political correctness....

  • fish8 Vernal, UT
    April 17, 2014 7:24 a.m.

    Most school choose a mascot or nickname that represents strength, courage, honor or values like these. So, how is wanting to be like a Ute disrespectful?

  • Trainman Ivins, UT
    April 17, 2014 7:18 a.m.

    When I went to Washington State we actually had a live cougar as a mascot. He is now gone replaced by a person in a kitty suit, called Butch.
    There you go.

  • baddog Cedar Rapids, IA
    April 17, 2014 7:18 a.m.

    Newspaper folks should be glad of this extension. "Utes" is shorter in a headline than is "Native American Tribe in Utah named the Utes."

    The Utes are happy. They get free publicity with every U of U article. Though, they might rethink it after the next football season.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 17, 2014 7:11 a.m.

    After reading the comments I'm simply offended today by people using the University of Utah mascot's name in their Dnews profile name.

    I think the profiles of 'ekute, 79ute, Jefe-Ute, bigutefan, etc. (and let's also include any inanimate objects of a Native American origin living in Utah such as 'Tomahawk Red') should be defaulted to 6 digit numbers by the Dnews immediately until proof of attendance to a cultural awareness / sensitivity class or a license agreement is provided.

    LOL

  • Icarus Dallas, Texas
    April 17, 2014 6:19 a.m.

    How long until the state has to change its name? This is PC stuff getting a little ridiculous.

  • David RI SLC, UT
    April 17, 2014 2:00 a.m.

    If there were a school on an Indian reservation called the Whitemen, and there mascot was George Washington, I would think that would be showing the ultimate respect. If there mascot was a cowboy with a six-shooter, I'd still think it awesome. Racist? No.

    If an Indian school were called the Redmen, Chiefs or Indians. It would be seen by society as perfectly acceptable.

    If a white school were called the Whitemen, it would be seen as elitist and racist.

    Tough world we live in.

  • Jack of trades SLC, UT
    April 17, 2014 1:50 a.m.

    Honestly, the Utah Utes were the Redskins up until 1972? That is unreal I did not know that. The Utes is clever, but Redskins? Wow. Who thought that up for Utah?

    I think the Utes is great. Always saw it as a sign of respect for who was here first. I don't understand why these Indian names are being seen as disrespectful. Unless if your caricatures are mocking. But the Seminoles, and Utes, I think it's great. There are so many great names that represent people. Fighting Irish, Yankees, etc...

  • SoCal Andy Casa Conejo, CA
    April 17, 2014 12:07 a.m.

    Go Utes!

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    April 16, 2014 11:56 p.m.

    This is one of the silliest non issues ever. I can't believe it keeps coming up. The Ute Tribe is perfectly fine with it and so should everyone else be. I'm glad the school and the tribe haven't backed down.

    This is no more racist or inappropriate than the Fighting Irish or the Minnesota Vikings. How about the Spartans? Gosh, I can't believe that Greek people nationwide haven't started demonstrating.

    This whole issue is just silly and I wish Brad would stop trying to make it one.

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    April 16, 2014 11:50 p.m.

    Brad, you stated several times that "Utes" is the mascot. That is not correct, the mascot is a red-tail hawk. Utah DID change the mascot several years ago. "Utes" is just the nickname used. Your stirring up trouble, where there is not any trouble at all. How do you not know what is the nickname and the mascot?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 16, 2014 10:28 p.m.

    SLC BYU Fan,
    Best comment that I've read for years! lol.

    Is that you, Chris?

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    April 16, 2014 9:58 p.m.

    The U's use if an Indian and feathers is beautiful and its respectful.

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    April 16, 2014 9:57 p.m.

    My PETA friends and I want all animal nicknames changed - it's inhumane and disrespectful to the animals to try to humanize them with such shameful caricatures. And while we're at it, the Minnesota NFL team needs to drop the Viking name.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2014 9:36 p.m.

    Perhaps the best compromise will be for BYU to give up college athletics and for Utah to take up being the Cougars!

  • Jefe-Ute SLC, UT
    April 16, 2014 9:22 p.m.

    I worked with a member of the Ute tribe. She dressed up in her tribal wear and a bunch of white people told her she was being inappropriate and disrespectful. WHAT?!? I didn't know that even members of the Ute tribe weren't allowed to wear their own tribal clothes. I hope the Utes continue to make agreements with the Ute tribe. Like ALL the stories are saying, it's a win win situation.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    April 16, 2014 5:49 p.m.

    Swoop
    Salt Lake City, UT
    In the politically correct world of the left coast, it's only a matter of time before Utah is forced to conform to more enlightened standards.

    ------------

    Especially in the notoriously liberal Pac 12. I say the name is changed within 10 years.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2014 5:26 p.m.

    In the politically correct world of the left coast, it's only a matter of time before Utah is forced to conform to more enlightened standards.

  • ji bae Saint George, UT
    April 16, 2014 5:25 p.m.

    If the people from the Ute tribe are not offended then why change??

    Who is offended? A bunch of white people who have nothing better to do that be annoyed at everything they can find.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    April 16, 2014 5:22 p.m.

    Trust me on this one - groups will begin to oppose the use of animals as mascots, as well.

    Eagle feathers are sacred to Native Americans, so why should they be allowed as a mascot for athletic teams in the broader society?

    What oh what oh what shall we do then?

    And since I'm part Irish, I'm definitely going to sue Notre Dame for their pejorative use of my heritage in a way that reinforces negative stereotypes about my people and how they behave after having too much to drink.

    NO NICKNAMES for sports teams, and while we're at it, a number of states will need to be renamed, including our own. The Utes have had too long to be recognized by the name of the state. Next up, "Shoshonia", or maybe "Navajoia".