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Published: Tuesday, April 15 2014 9:00 p.m. MDT

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Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

Uteology

Nice try, but those aren't rankings "under BCS rules", in fact "BCS rules" don't even apply to the AP and Coaches polls.

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

Uteology

Nice try, but those aren't rankings "under BCS rules", in fact "BCS rules" don't even apply to the AP and Coaches polls....

btw, unlike the crimson colored view of the kids on the hill, college football history didn't begin in 1999 or 2004.

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AP and Coaches polls are both driven by who is selected in the BCS title game. Beating a #2 team weights more then beating a #4 Bama team. Utah, nor TCU was ever going to be ranked #1. BYU? We'll they can't even get ranked high enough to make a BCS game.

Or in 1972, when an Aggie and a Ute arrived, yet when BYU football history began.

Christy B
Salt Lake City, Utah

JohnInSLC

0-4 in the last four meetings is world's apart from being 0-4 lifetime, especially when the team on the current winning streak has chosen to run away from the rivalry for the next two years.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteology

"AP and Coaches polls are both driven by who is selected in the BCS title game."

Then how do you explain USC winning the AP National Championship in 2003 without even playing in the BCS championship game?

The truth is, the AP poll that Utah fans like to cite, because it's the poll Utah finished highest in in 2004 and 2008, is completely independent of the BCS, in fact, the AP poll won't even allow the BCS to use their poll in the BCS formula.

You can whine all you want to, but BYU's ranking in the polls is just as legitimate as any other team's ranking.

In the Coaches poll, the one that officially crowns the winner of the Crystal Football National Championship Trophy, Utah has never finished higher than 4th.

Obviously, beating four ranked teams in 2008 wasn't nearly as impressive as the kids would like to believe, especially when Utah did absolutely NOTHING in the preceding three seasons to warrant any national championship consideration.

Next time, try being something more than a one-hit wonder.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

UU

Air Force wasn't ranked in 1984, but they did finish with the 24th most votes in the final AP poll, so whether you want to admit it or not, Air Force a Top 25 team.

1984 AP Poll
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES
#21 West Virginia 109
#22 Georgia 67
#23 Army 44
#24 Air Force 26
#24 Notre Dame 26

If the rankings had included the Top 25, instead the Top 20, Air Force would obviously have been ranked.

Bottom line, Air Force was as much a Top 25 opponent as Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which finished with the 25th most votes in the final 2004 AP poll.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteology

"AP and Coaches polls are both driven by who is selected in the BCS title game."

Then how do you explain USC winning the AP National Championship in 2003 without even playing in the BCS championship game?

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USC 10-1 2003 was ranked #2 at end of regular season.... finished AP #1.
Utah 12-0 2008 was ranked #6 at end of regular season.... #2 with 16 first place votes.
TCU 12-0 2010 was ranked #3 at end of regular season... #2 with 1 AP first place vote.

I think you will agree that all those three teams were better than the 1984 BYU team, according to on the field results.

Good for BYU for backing into the 1984 title only because teams around you lost, you beat no one. And no Utah's 2004 did not deserve a title shot, for similar reasons (weak schedule).

How's your BCS resume?

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Uteanymous

Bottom line, Air Force was as much a Top 25 opponent as Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which finished with the 25th most votes in the final 2004 AP poll.

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BYU's 1984 SOS was ranked #104.
Utah's 2004 SOS was ranked #67.

Bottom line neither team deserved a national title.

UU
Provo, UT

@Uteanymous "Obviously, beating four ranked teams in 2008 wasn't nearly as impressive as the kids would like to believe"

If it's not that impressive then why can't BYU do it? In fact BYU has never beat 3 teams that finished the year ranked.... Utah did that in 1994. Can you tell us if BYU ever had a season where they beat 2 teams that finished the year ranked?

@Uteanymous "You can whine all you want to, but BYU's ranking in the polls is just as legitimate as any other team's ranking.

I will give you that, BYU finished the year #1 which Utah has never done. But I've never seen a BYU fan recognize that the Cougars "big" seasons leading up to, and including, 1984 were all built on a very weak SOS. Are you willing to admit that?

Remember, that's 4 wins over ranked teams in the 16 years leading up to 1984.

SportsFan
Orem, UT

Uteology

Trying to compare teams from different eras is a complete waste of time, because it's impossible to do.

Let's just put it this way, no team in 1984 was more deserving of being selected National Champion than BYU - the proof is in the final voting of all five major national selecting organizations.

The same can not be said of Utah 2004 or Utah 2008.

A comparison of the final votes is proof enough:

1984
#1 BYU(38) 13-0, 1,160 pts
#2 Wash(16) 11-1, 1,140 pts

BYU received more than twice as many 1st place votes as 2nd place Washington

2008
#1 Florida(48) 13-1, 1,606 pts
#2 Utah(16) 13-0, 1,519 pts

Utah only received a third as many 1st place votes as Florida

And let's not forget, Utah finished 4th in the Coaches Poll (the official BCS poll).

As far as weak schedules go, Utah's schedule leading up to 2008:

#62, #67, #76, #73, #60

Yet you still weren't good enough to be ranked from 2005 to 2007, and despite the three ranked opponents you beat at home during the regular season, your overall schedule was still a mediocre #56, nothing to beat your chest about.

phantomblade
Salt Lake City, Utah

UU

Remind us how many ranked teams Utah beat on the road during the 2008 regular season.

You started the season barely squeaking by Michigan(3-9) 27-25 and followed that up later in the season with a narrow 13-10 win at New Mexico(4-8).

Sure, you beat #18/#19 Oregon State(9-4) 31-28 and #7/#7 TCU(11-2) at home, but anyone who watched those games knows you only won by the skin of your teeth.

Utah finished with a very good season, but the complete lack of momentum entering the season killed any real chances the Utes might have had to be a legitimate national championship contender.

Trophy Case says it all:

BYU has FIVE national championship trophies, including the Crystal Football National Championship trophy from 1984.

Utah's trophy case is completely devoid of such awards.

UU
Provo, UT

phantomblade,

You have your NC trophy. I already conceded that multiple times. Your post is simply rehashing what I have acknowledged.

Are you willing to admit that BYU beat absolutely nobody in the years leading up to, and including, 1984?

jarka-rus
Layton, Utah

Congrats Chayden, Bingham keeps churning out the talent, Coach Peck has built a quality program at Bingham. Can't wait for football season! Miner Pride

Mexican Ute
mexico, 00

Nice grab by the Utes!

Go get 'em!

Mexican Ute
mexico, 00

To look at things objectively, seeing the play of both Utah and BYU this past year...

Utah is 9-3 with BYU's schedule because they would have definitely beaten Virginia though I admit the Texas game would be closer.

BYU is 4-8 or even 3-9 with Utah's schedule. Stanford would have beaten BYU, Arizona State would win more convincingly and even the Colorado game would be a tossup.

It is tough playing consistent good teams and winning. One can play a great team such as an Oklahoma and beat them, but then when you drew Florida State, you got stomped on big time.

Utah plays good teams consistently. That has upped their game even as they have lost quite a few games, because they are learning how to get better playing against good teams. BYU has an inconsistent schedule at best and a downright horrible schedule at worst. For that reason they have not gone to big bowls in a long time. They can't hang with the good teams in a consistent manner.

Objectified
Tooele, UT

@ UU;

You and a few others keep talking about Utah's tough SOS. But truly, what good does it do to have the toughest schedule in the nation if you can't even be semi-competitive with it.? Utah had a tough schedule this past season and finished with a losing record, no bowl game and a fight to stay out of the cellar of their conference. Sad.

Brag about a tough schedule all you want. But it means nothing if you can't do anything with it.

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