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Published: Tuesday, April 15 2014 9:00 p.m. MDT

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Reno Cougs Fan 68
Reno, NV

UU
Easy answer to your question. I am honest enough to still consider Utah our rival and so I read and comment on Utah articles! Why do Utah fans who insist that Utah moved Onward and Upward when they joined the PAC12, continue to read and comment on BYU articles in a Mormon paper? Especially when Utah put a hold on things for the next two years!!! I do not read or comment on any articles in the SL Tribune nor do I read or comment on articles in the papers of BYU's opponents unless there is a link in the Dnews!!!

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

UU

Since the AP poll only included the Top 20 in 1984, technically, BYU didn't beat a ranked team, but BYU did beat a Top 25 team, Air Force(8-4), which finished #24 in the final AP Poll, higher than Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh(8-4), which finished #25 in the same poll.

As far as midmajor's statement, two words: reading comprehension

"Rankings, btw, are based on record, SOS, and a couple of factors Utah fans seem to be completely oblivious of, recent past performance and national cachet, factors Utah was sadly lacking in in 2004 and 2008."

When you're trying to build momentum towards winning a National Championship, it's easy to see why BYU was considered a legitimate contender in 1984, whereas Utah had absolutely no momentum entering the 2004 and 2008 seasons:

Utah 1999 to 2003
9-3, unranked
4-7, unranked
8-4, unranked
5-6, unranked
10-2, #21/#21

Utah 2003 to 2007
10-2, #21/#21
12-0, #4/#5
7-5, unranked
8-5, unranked
9-4, unranked

BYU 1979 to 2003
11-1, #13/#12
12-1, #12/#12
11-2, #13/#11
8-4, unranked
11-1, #7/#7

CordonBleu
Park City, UT

Naval Vet

"Houston is not a "name" team."

They're as much a "name" team as any power conference bottom dweller.

U should show a little more respect to a team the Utes have NEVER beaten, 0-4 lifetime versus the Houston Cougars.

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

Bottom line:

Utah was 36-22, with a #21/#21 finish leading up to 2004.
Utah was 46-16, with #21/#21 and #4/#5 finishes leading up to 2008.
BYU was 53-9, with four Top 12 finishes leading up to 1984.

BYU had twice as many Top 12, 11+ win seasons in the five years leading up to BYU's National Championship season, than the Utes have had in their entire history.

Rockarolla
West Jordan, UT

Bingham just keeps producing great kickers. Good luck to a good kid.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

motorbike

"... Utah beat more ranked teams than any other team in the country in 2008"

Even so, Utah only played the 56th toughest schedule in 2008, which is obviously easier than the 38th toughest schedule that BYU played in 2013.

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Easier?

Utah beat 4 ranked teams that season: #6, #7, #18, #25.

BYU hasn't beat 4 ranked teams in over 17 seasons, currently only 3 wins #21 TCU, #18 Utah, #18 Utah State. The last time BYU beat a Big 5 final ranked team was in 1990, #5 Miami.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA

Rose Bowl call yet?

AP Top 25 Finishes (the rankings Utah fans always cite)

BYU 2006 to 2009 - FOUR
Utah 1965 to 2013 - FOUR

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Wrong!

Final AP Rankings (playing similar schedule in MWC):

Utah:
2009 #18 10-3
2008 #2 13-0 (16 first place votes, highest ranked mid-major under BCS rules)
2004 #4 12-0
2003 #21 10-2

BYU:
2009 #12 11-2
2008 #25 10-3
2007 #14 11-2
2006 #16 11-2
2001 #25 12-2

So BYU has one more #25 finish. Congrats! I guess we'll just have to settle for two undefeated seasons and the top ranked mid-major in the BCS era.

UU
Provo, UT

Riddles,

Perhaps my reading comprehension is not the issue but how cachet is being defined. Utah beat 4 ranked teams in 2008 (something BYU has never even come close to doing). Leading up to 1984, it took BYU 17 seasons to register five wins over ranked teams. Is that cachet?

On one hand, Cougars fans want to dismiss Utah's 2004 #4 ranking due to not beating any quality teams. A more recent example is BYU fans dismissing Utah's 11-1 2013 non-conference basketball schedule due to weak SOS. How are the BYU football seasons leading up 1984 any different than those Utah examples which Y fans want to dismiss due to weak SOS? Yet you claim cachet for BYU football for beating a bunch of nobodies leading up to 1984.

Proud Ute
,

Welcome Chayden!
Have a university experience and finish your degree!

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Maq

Mark this down with a sharpie. Fact: utah did NOT finish ranked higher than BYU. Fact #2 of all the so called 'tough' teams utah played, they only defeated Stanford

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What is the source for your "facts"? The Sagarin rankings have BYU #35 and Utah #34. I'm sure you realize that the lower number is the higher rank; or maybe not. How many tough teams did BYU beat? Texas. Who actually won when BYU played Utah. Sorry, BYU lost the battle and the war last year. That's why BYU fans are pulling up rankings and stats from years and years ago to try and compare there team to Utah. Last year was quickly swept under the rug; par for the course.

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

Uteology

Nice try, but those aren't rankings "under BCS rules", in fact "BCS rules" don't even apply to the AP and Coaches polls.

The only "BCS rules" rankings are the BCS standings, which are published at the end of the regular season. In those standings, the Utes have never finished higher than #6.

btw, unlike the crimson colored view of the kids on the hill, college football history didn't begin in 1999 or 2004.

UU

Please explain what kind of national championship caliber momentum Utah had entering 2004 and 2008.

In 2004, Utah had had ONE Top 25 finish, #21/#21, since 1994.
In 2008, Utah had had THREE unranked seasons since their last Top 25 finish in 2004.

But, the ultimate proof of which team had the most momentum entering 1984, 2004 or 2008, is in the final results:

BYU finished 1984 ranked #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls, was selected Consensus National Champion by all five major national organizations of the day, and was awarded the Crystal Football National Championship Trophy, the exact same trophy now awarded the BCS champion.

Utah 2004 finished #4 AP, #5 Coaches
Utah 2008 finished #2 AP, #4 Coaches

not even close to winning the Crystal Football.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Skywalker

BYU won the NC by default, and everyone knows it. Not a single top 25 victory, and Bowl victory over a medicore, at best, 6-6 Michigan team. That never happened before 1984, and will never happen again. No one has ever got the fast pass to the NC like BYU did that year. It's not BYU fault, but let's be honest about the lack of competition and weak bowl opponent. That's just the way it is. Comparing BYU's 1984 season to Utah's Sugar Bowl season is like comparing Jimmer Ferdette to Andre Miller. No comparison, not even close.

UU
Provo, UT

@Reno Cougs Fan 68 "Why do Utah fans who insist that Utah moved Onward and Upward when they joined the PAC12, continue to read and comment on BYU articles in a Mormon paper?

I don't know, you need to ask that group of people

@Reno Cougs Fan 68 "I do not read or comment on any articles in the SL Tribune"

I'm not sure what your point is. Is not reading the SL Trib some type of accomplushment?

UU
Provo, UT

@ Riddles "BYU did beat... Air Force(8-4), which finished #24 in the final AP Poll, higher than Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh(8-4)"

There really was no such thing as a #24 AP Poll team in 1984. There was the top 20 and all other's. So to say AFA was the #24 team in the country is taking some liberties. Furthermore, AFA did not have more votes than Notre Dame so you're taking even more liberties with the truth. Below is a cut and paste from that 1984 AP poll.

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES
West Virginia 109, Georgia 67, Army 44, Notre Dame 26, Air Force 26

Is the urge to continually visit Utah stories in an attempt to validate BYU supremacy to the rest of the world somewhat unusual? If BYU dominance is an "open and shut case" then let the facts speak for themselves... there should be no need to shout it from the rooftops on the Utah threads.

UU
Provo, UT

@skywalker "Please explain what kind of national championship caliber momentum Utah had entering 2004 and 2008"

Not much. And I never said Utah had built up national championship caliber momentum. Where did you come up with that?

Now, please explain what type of national momentum BYU built up ON THE FIELD by beating quality opponents in the years leading up to 1984? Utah beat as many ranked teams in one season (2008) as BYU did in the 16 seasons leading up to 1984.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Wow...75 posts with rivalry vitriol over a kicker? This is really getting out of hand.

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

Spokane Ute

"BYU won the NC by default..."

Just like every other national championship.

If being undefeated were the only criteria for contending for a national championship, then:

Why did Tulane(12-0) only finish #7 in 1998, behind 5 teams with 1+ losses?
Why did Marshall(13-0) only finish #10 in 1999, behind 8 teams with 1+ losses?
Why was undefeated BYU(11-0), prior to their bowl, only ranked #9 at the end of the regular season?
Why did Penn St(12-0) only finish #5 in 1973, behind 3 teams with 1+ losses?
Why did #2 Arizona St(12-0) finish behind #1 Oklahoma(11-1) in 1975?

The truth is, every major college football organization in the business of selecting a national champion in 1984, spent over a month, from the time BYU rose to #1 at the end of the regular season, to the end of the bowl season, carefully evaluating the strengths and weaknesses of every legitimate contender, and when the final analysis was completed, BYU was found to be more deserving of being national champion than any of the other contenders.

The proof is in the final results, despite the whiny nay saying of jealous Utah fans.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

skywalker

Many fans felt that undefeated WAC champion Arizona State was cheated out of a national championship in 1975, which may have helped pave the way for undefeated WAC champion BYU to win the national championship in 1984.

Like BYU in the 80's, ASU was a fixture in the Top 20 in the 70's.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

CordonBleu:

Good point. One would think all fans of ANY school that was 0-4 against their rival would show a lot more respect to their betters.

UU
Provo, UT

@Cougsndawgs "Wow...75 posts with rivalry vitriol over a kicker? This is really getting out of hand."

Agreed. You've made some quality posts in the past, but you have also come over to Utah stories to take your digs at the Utes. Check out the article following Utah's loss to St. Mary's that blew up with 329 comments from mostly BYU fans. You might recognize the post below from that article.... it's your's

"Yep bad loss to a cupcake team in a cupcake conference... U don't belong in the PAC12 when you get beat by 12 points to a team neither BYU or gonzaga lost to this year. "LOL"

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