@ UU;You and a few others keep talking about Utah's tough SOS.
But truly, what good does it do to have the toughest schedule in the nation if
you can't even be semi-competitive with it.? Utah had a tough schedule
this past season and finished with a losing record, no bowl game and a fight to
stay out of the cellar of their conference. Sad.Brag about a tough
schedule all you want. But it means nothing if you can't do anything with
To look at things objectively, seeing the play of both Utah and BYU this past
year...Utah is 9-3 with BYU's schedule because they would have
definitely beaten Virginia though I admit the Texas game would be closer.BYU is 4-8 or even 3-9 with Utah's schedule. Stanford would have
beaten BYU, Arizona State would win more convincingly and even the Colorado game
would be a tossup.It is tough playing consistent good teams and
winning. One can play a great team such as an Oklahoma and beat them, but then
when you drew Florida State, you got stomped on big time.Utah plays
good teams consistently. That has upped their game even as they have lost quite
a few games, because they are learning how to get better playing against good
teams. BYU has an inconsistent schedule at best and a downright horrible
schedule at worst. For that reason they have not gone to big bowls in a long
time. They can't hang with the good teams in a consistent manner.
Nice grab by the Utes!Go get 'em!
Congrats Chayden, Bingham keeps churning out the talent, Coach Peck has built a
quality program at Bingham. Can't wait for football season! Miner Pride
phantomblade,You have your NC trophy. I already conceded that
multiple times. Your post is simply rehashing what I have acknowledged.Are you willing to admit that BYU beat absolutely nobody in the years
leading up to, and including, 1984?
UURemind us how many ranked teams Utah beat on the road during the
2008 regular season.You started the season barely squeaking by
Michigan(3-9) 27-25 and followed that up later in the season with a narrow 13-10
win at New Mexico(4-8).Sure, you beat #18/#19 Oregon State(9-4)
31-28 and #7/#7 TCU(11-2) at home, but anyone who watched those games knows you
only won by the skin of your teeth.Utah finished with a very good
season, but the complete lack of momentum entering the season killed any real
chances the Utes might have had to be a legitimate national championship
contender.Trophy Case says it all:BYU has FIVE national
championship trophies, including the Crystal Football National Championship
trophy from 1984.Utah's trophy case is completely devoid of
UteologyTrying to compare teams from different eras is a complete
waste of time, because it's impossible to do.Let's just
put it this way, no team in 1984 was more deserving of being selected National
Champion than BYU - the proof is in the final voting of all five major national
selecting organizations.The same can not be said of Utah 2004 or
Utah 2008.A comparison of the final votes is proof enough:1984#1 BYU(38) 13-0, 1,160 pts#2 Wash(16) 11-1, 1,140 ptsBYU received more than twice as many 1st place votes as 2nd place
Washington2008#1 Florida(48) 13-1, 1,606 pts#2 Utah(16)
13-0, 1,519 ptsUtah only received a third as many 1st place votes as
FloridaAnd let's not forget, Utah finished 4th in the Coaches
Poll (the official BCS poll).As far as weak schedules go,
Utah's schedule leading up to 2008:#62, #67, #76, #73, #60Yet you still weren't good enough to be ranked from 2005 to 2007,
and despite the three ranked opponents you beat at home during the regular
season, your overall schedule was still a mediocre #56, nothing to beat your
@Uteanymous "Obviously, beating four ranked teams in 2008 wasn't
nearly as impressive as the kids would like to believe"If
it's not that impressive then why can't BYU do it? In fact BYU has
never beat 3 teams that finished the year ranked.... Utah did that in 1994.
Can you tell us if BYU ever had a season where they beat 2 teams that finished
the year ranked? @Uteanymous "You can whine all you want to,
but BYU's ranking in the polls is just as legitimate as any other
team's ranking.I will give you that, BYU finished the year #1
which Utah has never done. But I've never seen a BYU fan recognize that
the Cougars "big" seasons leading up to, and including, 1984 were all
built on a very weak SOS. Are you willing to admit that?Remember,
that's 4 wins over ranked teams in the 16 years leading up to 1984.
@UteanymousBottom line, Air Force was as much a Top 25 opponent as
Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which finished with the 25th
most votes in the final 2004 AP poll.-------------BYU's 1984 SOS was ranked #104.Utah's 2004 SOS was ranked
#67.Bottom line neither team deserved a national title.
UteanymousSalt Lake City, UtahUteology"AP and
Coaches polls are both driven by who is selected in the BCS title game."Then how do you explain USC winning the AP National Championship in 2003
without even playing in the BCS championship game?----------------USC 10-1 2003 was ranked #2 at end of regular
season.... finished AP #1.Utah 12-0 2008 was ranked #6 at end of regular
season.... #2 with 16 first place votes.TCU 12-0 2010 was ranked #3 at end
of regular season... #2 with 1 AP first place vote.I think you will
agree that all those three teams were better than the 1984 BYU team, according
to on the field results.Good for BYU for backing into the 1984 title
only because teams around you lost, you beat no one. And no Utah's 2004
did not deserve a title shot, for similar reasons (weak schedule).How's your BCS resume?
UUAir Force wasn't ranked in 1984, but they did finish with the
24th most votes in the final AP poll, so whether you want to admit it or not,
Air Force a Top 25 team.1984 AP PollOTHERS RECEIVING VOTES#21 West Virginia 109#22 Georgia 67#23 Army 44#24 Air Force
26#24 Notre Dame 26If the rankings had included the Top 25,
instead the Top 20, Air Force would obviously have been ranked.Bottom line, Air Force was as much a Top 25 opponent as Utah's 2004
Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which finished with the 25th most votes in the
final 2004 AP poll.
Uteology"AP and Coaches polls are both driven by who is selected
in the BCS title game."Then how do you explain USC winning the
AP National Championship in 2003 without even playing in the BCS championship
game?The truth is, the AP poll that Utah fans like to cite, because
it's the poll Utah finished highest in in 2004 and 2008, is completely
independent of the BCS, in fact, the AP poll won't even allow the BCS to
use their poll in the BCS formula.You can whine all you want to, but
BYU's ranking in the polls is just as legitimate as any other team's
ranking.In the Coaches poll, the one that officially crowns the
winner of the Crystal Football National Championship Trophy, Utah has never
finished higher than 4th.Obviously, beating four ranked teams in
2008 wasn't nearly as impressive as the kids would like to believe,
especially when Utah did absolutely NOTHING in the preceding three seasons to
warrant any national championship consideration.Next time, try being
something more than a one-hit wonder.
JohnInSLC0-4 in the last four meetings is world's apart from
being 0-4 lifetime, especially when the team on the current winning streak has
chosen to run away from the rivalry for the next two years.
skywalkerPalo Alto, CAUteologyNice try, but those
aren't rankings "under BCS rules", in fact "BCS rules"
don't even apply to the AP and Coaches polls.skywalkerPalo Alto, CAUteologyNice try, but those aren't
rankings "under BCS rules", in fact "BCS rules" don't even
apply to the AP and Coaches polls....btw, unlike the crimson colored
view of the kids on the hill, college football history didn't begin in 1999
or 2004.------------AP and Coaches polls are both driven
by who is selected in the BCS title game. Beating a #2 team weights more then
beating a #4 Bama team. Utah, nor TCU was ever going to be ranked #1. BYU?
We'll they can't even get ranked high enough to make a BCS game.Or in 1972, when an Aggie and a Ute arrived, yet when BYU football
@Cougsndawgs "Wow...75 posts with rivalry vitriol over a kicker? This is
really getting out of hand."Agreed. You've made some
quality posts in the past, but you have also come over to Utah stories to take
your digs at the Utes. Check out the article following Utah's loss to St.
Mary's that blew up with 329 comments from mostly BYU fans. You might
recognize the post below from that article.... it's your's"Yep bad loss to a cupcake team in a cupcake conference... U don't
belong in the PAC12 when you get beat by 12 points to a team neither BYU or
gonzaga lost to this year. "LOL"
CordonBleu:Good point. One would think all fans of ANY school that
was 0-4 against their rival would show a lot more respect to their betters.
skywalkerMany fans felt that undefeated WAC champion Arizona State
was cheated out of a national championship in 1975, which may have helped pave
the way for undefeated WAC champion BYU to win the national championship in
1984.Like BYU in the 80's, ASU was a fixture in the Top 20 in
Spokane Ute"BYU won the NC by default..."Just
like every other national championship.If being undefeated were the
only criteria for contending for a national championship, then:Why
did Tulane(12-0) only finish #7 in 1998, behind 5 teams with 1+ losses?Why
did Marshall(13-0) only finish #10 in 1999, behind 8 teams with 1+ losses?Why was undefeated BYU(11-0), prior to their bowl, only ranked #9 at the end
of the regular season?Why did Penn St(12-0) only finish #5 in 1973, behind
3 teams with 1+ losses?Why did #2 Arizona St(12-0) finish behind #1
Oklahoma(11-1) in 1975?The truth is, every major college football
organization in the business of selecting a national champion in 1984, spent
over a month, from the time BYU rose to #1 at the end of the regular season, to
the end of the bowl season, carefully evaluating the strengths and weaknesses of
every legitimate contender, and when the final analysis was completed, BYU was
found to be more deserving of being national champion than any of the other
contenders.The proof is in the final results, despite the whiny nay
saying of jealous Utah fans.
Wow...75 posts with rivalry vitriol over a kicker? This is really getting out of
@skywalker "Please explain what kind of national championship caliber
momentum Utah had entering 2004 and 2008"Not much. And I never
said Utah had built up national championship caliber momentum. Where did you
come up with that?Now, please explain what type of national momentum
BYU built up ON THE FIELD by beating quality opponents in the years leading up
to 1984? Utah beat as many ranked teams in one season (2008) as BYU did in the
16 seasons leading up to 1984.
@ Riddles "BYU did beat... Air Force(8-4), which finished #24 in the final
AP Poll, higher than Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent,
Pittsburgh(8-4)"There really was no such thing as a #24 AP Poll
team in 1984. There was the top 20 and all other's. So to say AFA was the
#24 team in the country is taking some liberties. Furthermore, AFA did not have
more votes than Notre Dame so you're taking even more liberties with the
truth. Below is a cut and paste from that 1984 AP poll.OTHERS
RECEIVING VOTESWest Virginia 109, Georgia 67, Army 44, Notre Dame 26, Air
Force 26Is the urge to continually visit Utah stories in an attempt
to validate BYU supremacy to the rest of the world somewhat unusual? If BYU
dominance is an "open and shut case" then let the facts speak for
themselves... there should be no need to shout it from the rooftops on the Utah
@Reno Cougs Fan 68 "Why do Utah fans who insist that Utah moved Onward and
Upward when they joined the PAC12, continue to read and comment on BYU articles
in a Mormon paper?I don't know, you need to ask that group of
people@Reno Cougs Fan 68 "I do not read or comment on any
articles in the SL Tribune"I'm not sure what your point is.
Is not reading the SL Trib some type of accomplushment?
SkywalkerBYU won the NC by default, and everyone knows it. Not a
single top 25 victory, and Bowl victory over a medicore, at best, 6-6 Michigan
team. That never happened before 1984, and will never happen again. No one has
ever got the fast pass to the NC like BYU did that year. It's not BYU
fault, but let's be honest about the lack of competition and weak bowl
opponent. That's just the way it is. Comparing BYU's 1984 season to
Utah's Sugar Bowl season is like comparing Jimmer Ferdette to Andre Miller.
No comparison, not even close.
UteologyNice try, but those aren't rankings "under BCS
rules", in fact "BCS rules" don't even apply to the AP and
Coaches polls.The only "BCS rules" rankings are the BCS
standings, which are published at the end of the regular season. In those
standings, the Utes have never finished higher than #6.btw, unlike
the crimson colored view of the kids on the hill, college football history
didn't begin in 1999 or 2004.UUPlease explain what
kind of national championship caliber momentum Utah had entering 2004 and
2008.In 2004, Utah had had ONE Top 25 finish, #21/#21, since
1994.In 2008, Utah had had THREE unranked seasons since their last Top 25
finish in 2004.But, the ultimate proof of which team had the most
momentum entering 1984, 2004 or 2008, is in the final results:BYU
finished 1984 ranked #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls, was selected Consensus
National Champion by all five major national organizations of the day, and was
awarded the Crystal Football National Championship Trophy, the exact same trophy
now awarded the BCS champion.Utah 2004 finished #4 AP, #5 CoachesUtah 2008 finished #2 AP, #4 Coachesnot even close to winning the
MaqMark this down with a sharpie. Fact: utah did NOT finish ranked
higher than BYU. Fact #2 of all the so called 'tough' teams utah
played, they only defeated Stanford-----What is the
source for your "facts"? The Sagarin rankings have BYU #35 and Utah #34.
I'm sure you realize that the lower number is the higher rank; or maybe
not. How many tough teams did BYU beat? Texas. Who actually won when BYU played
Utah. Sorry, BYU lost the battle and the war last year. That's why BYU fans
are pulling up rankings and stats from years and years ago to try and compare
there team to Utah. Last year was quickly swept under the rug; par for the
Welcome Chayden! Have a university experience and finish your degree!
Riddles,Perhaps my reading comprehension is not the issue but how
cachet is being defined. Utah beat 4 ranked teams in 2008 (something BYU has
never even come close to doing). Leading up to 1984, it took BYU 17 seasons to
register five wins over ranked teams. Is that cachet?On one hand,
Cougars fans want to dismiss Utah's 2004 #4 ranking due to not beating any
quality teams. A more recent example is BYU fans dismissing Utah's 11-1
2013 non-conference basketball schedule due to weak SOS. How are the BYU
football seasons leading up 1984 any different than those Utah examples which Y
fans want to dismiss due to weak SOS? Yet you claim cachet for BYU football for
beating a bunch of nobodies leading up to 1984.
TheSportsAuthorityArlington, VARose Bowl call yet?AP Top 25 Finishes (the rankings Utah fans always cite)BYU 2006 to
2009 - FOURUtah 1965 to 2013 - FOUR-----------Wrong!Final AP Rankings (playing similar schedule in MWC):Utah:2009 #18 10-3 2008 #2 13-0 (16 first place votes,
highest ranked mid-major under BCS rules) 2004 #4 12-0 2003 #21
10-2BYU:2009 #12 11-22008 #25 10-32007 #14 11-22006 #16 11-22001 #25 12-2So BYU has one more #25 finish.
Congrats! I guess we'll just have to settle for two undefeated seasons and
the top ranked mid-major in the BCS era.
Snack PACOlympus Cove, Utahmotorbike"... Utah
beat more ranked teams than any other team in the country in 2008"Even so, Utah only played the 56th toughest schedule in 2008, which is
obviously easier than the 38th toughest schedule that BYU played in 2013.--------------Easier?Utah beat 4 ranked teams
that season: #6, #7, #18, #25.BYU hasn't beat 4 ranked teams in
over 17 seasons, currently only 3 wins #21 TCU, #18 Utah, #18 Utah State. The
last time BYU beat a Big 5 final ranked team was in 1990, #5 Miami.
Bingham just keeps producing great kickers. Good luck to a good kid.
Bottom line:Utah was 36-22, with a #21/#21 finish leading up to
2004.Utah was 46-16, with #21/#21 and #4/#5 finishes leading up to
2008.BYU was 53-9, with four Top 12 finishes leading up to 1984.BYU had twice as many Top 12, 11+ win seasons in the five years leading up to
BYU's National Championship season, than the Utes have had in their entire
Naval Vet"Houston is not a "name" team."They're as much a "name" team as any power conference bottom
dweller.U should show a little more respect to a team the Utes have
NEVER beaten, 0-4 lifetime versus the Houston Cougars.
UUSince the AP poll only included the Top 20 in 1984, technically,
BYU didn't beat a ranked team, but BYU did beat a Top 25 team, Air
Force(8-4), which finished #24 in the final AP Poll, higher than Utah's
2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh(8-4), which finished #25 in the same
poll.As far as midmajor's statement, two words: reading
comprehension"Rankings, btw, are based on record, SOS, and a
couple of factors Utah fans seem to be completely oblivious of, recent past
performance and national cachet, factors Utah was sadly lacking in in 2004 and
2008."When you're trying to build momentum towards winning
a National Championship, it's easy to see why BYU was considered a
legitimate contender in 1984, whereas Utah had absolutely no momentum entering
the 2004 and 2008 seasons:Utah 1999 to 20039-3, unranked4-7, unranked8-4, unranked5-6, unranked10-2, #21/#21Utah 2003 to 200710-2, #21/#2112-0, #4/#57-5,
unranked8-5, unranked9-4, unrankedBYU 1979 to 200311-1, #13/#1212-1, #12/#1211-2, #13/#118-4, unranked11-1, #7/#7
UUEasy answer to your question. I am honest enough to still consider Utah
our rival and so I read and comment on Utah articles! Why do Utah fans who
insist that Utah moved Onward and Upward when they joined the PAC12, continue to
read and comment on BYU articles in a Mormon paper? Especially when Utah put a
hold on things for the next two years!!! I do not read or comment on any
articles in the SL Tribune nor do I read or comment on articles in the papers of
BYU's opponents unless there is a link in the Dnews!!!
@Reno Cougs Fan 68 "To all the Utah "fans, Funny how on a Utah article
about a new Utah recruit you still are the first to bring up your "non"
rival BYU"Funny how on a Utah article about a Utah recruit a BYU
fan will show up multiple times. Why?
royalblue and Rose Bowl,The following statement.... "BYU has never come close to putting together a body of work like
Utah's 2008 season beating 4 ranked teams including two top 10
teams"Was not a slam on BYU's overall football success
throughout the years, it was in response to mid-major's statement that
Utah's 2008 season was "sadly lacking". If beating 4 ranked teams
is sadly lacking what do you say about a season when your school beat ZERO
ranked teams (1986)?Utah does not use BYU as a measuring stick, we
simply make these comparisons to show how ridiculous some statements are like
mid-major's. The bigger concern for Y fans should be, why do I keep
landing in the Utah comments section when I'm a BYU fan? Obsession?
To all the Utah "fans"!Funny how on a Utah article about a new
Utah recruit you still are the first to bring up your "non" rival BYU!!!
Why is that? I thought you moved Onward and Upward away from BYU? I love the
Holy War and rivalry between our two schools in all sports!!!Go
Cougs!!! Rise Up!!!Go Utes!!! Onward and Upward!!!
JohnInSLCCottonwood Heights, UT"Y little brother:Oh, and I forgot to mention conference titles "overall":Utah: 24, and countingBYU: 23, and not counting"You got
that right, JohnInSLC...byu-provo is done chasing conference titles. It's
remarkable how important the past titles are to so many of the cougar faithful
yet they are completely sold on the ponies and rainbows of independence. Lol!
LonestarRunner:"Since when are Texas, Boise State, and Houston -
three teams Utah has NEVER beaten - no name teams?"Houston is
not a "name" team. They're an AAC team, and the AAC is now a
midmajor conference. Furthermore, the Y had only beaten ONE Houston team, and
really all you did there as beat an unranked gloried C-USA squad. That does not
compare to Utah's record against them because back when WE were playing
them, we were a WAC team, and playing with WAC recruits, whereas they were a SWC
team playing SWC with recruits. Not a midmajorey team playing midmajorey
recruits like your 2013 opponent. And as for our 0-4 lifetime record against
them, 3 finished ranked in the final polls (#17-1966, #14-1971, and #11-1978),
and in only 1 season (1978) did we have a winning record. And while we
didn't beat Houston that year, we DID beat the Y. Not that any of that
matters. What matters -- as far as the U and the Y are concerned -- is that
Utah beat the Y last fall, and thus were the better team.We were
also the better team the 3 preceding yrs, and own them in the all-time series.
Y little brother:Oh, and I forgot to mention conference titles
"overall":Utah: 24, and countingBYU: 23, and not
311ute,Interesting but shortsighted comments! Yes, Utah is up right now in
football but if you go back through the rivalry it has swung back and forth!
Both schools are in much better situations then they were in the MWC, so good
for both!!! I disagree that BYU has nothing to play for or important games after
the first loss!!! Every team has goals for each season, they may not accomplish
all the goals but it does not make the season a total loss If they accomplish
most of the team goals! Utah has lost more conference games each year does that
mean they should give up and quit on the PAC12? I say NO!!! Only one team each
year is crowned NC either by polls or now a game or playoff! Does that mean the
rest give up playing? The answer is NO!!! I will always be a BYU fan and fan of
the rivalry between the two schools!!! And just for the record it was a Utah fan
in the first comment that brought up BYU on an article about a Utah recruit!!!
Y little brother:Funny how Y fans have selective memories when
claiming that the Y's "overall success" is better than Utah's.
How about we just look at the overall records to measure "overall
success":Utah: 628-435-31 (57.4% winning percentage)BYU:
518-383-26 (55.9% winning percentage)Bowl records:Utah: 13-4
(76.4%)BYU: 13-18-1 (40.6%)Undefeated SeasonsUtah: 5BYU: 1And don't forget, Utah has three things BYU
doesn't have, and likely never will: two BCS Bowl trophies and a No. 1
overall NFL draft pick.
talkinsports:"Bronco is 9 for 9 in bowls played in...Kyle is
only 7 for 9"Nope. You made that up. Bronco's
bowl record is 6-3; not 9-0. He lost in the Las Vegas Bowl to Cal (2005) and
Arizona (2008), and in the Kraft Fight Hunger vs. Washington.Kyle's bowl record is 7-1; not 7-2.7-1 > 6-3Edge: Kyle
Nice pickup for the Utes! Wish there was not a two year hold on the Holy War,
because win or lose it is always much more fun to play your rival!!! In state
games are always big and rivals just ask CU and CSU!!! Wish this young man and
the rest of the Utes good luck this coming season!!!Go Cougs!!! Rise
Up!!!Go Utes!!! Onward and upward!!!
Great to see that the coaches are not neglecting the kicking game in recruiting!
Hey, Duckhunter, did you notice this kid says Utah was always his top choice.
Some time ago you said nobody grows up wanting to play for Utah. I guess you
might have been wrong.
Here are the facts about BYU and Utah football right now. Utah has
BYU's number (9/12) BYU has finished the the last few years with
better record (mostly due to a weak schedule)BYU's season is
meaningless after one loss, enjoy your prepaid bowl ticket. Utah has
something to play for nearly every week, BYU doesn't.Utah has
struggled in the PAC. BYU fans love this because misery loves company. If
BYU was in the PAC, they would face the same struggles. With the BCS now
done, BYU should have stayed in the MTN West. Going undefeated in the MTN West
would have been better for their chances to getting into the playoff then a weak
independent schedule.BYU better start scheduling better. Home games this
year include Houston, Virginia, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV, and Savannah State.
Have fun with that.Utah's home schedule - Idaho State (the yearly
cupcake), Fresno State (eh, not much better), then there's USC, Oregon,
Arizona, and Washington State. Now enough of the banter and congratulate
the kid on his commitment
JohnInSLCUnlike the kids on the hill, who are forced to use the
head-to-head with BYU as their standard of success, BYU fans can judge the
overall success of BYU's football program based on much higher standards
like National Championships, Heisman Trophies, perennial Top 25 finishes,
National Individual Award recipients, and players inducted into the National
College Football Hall of Fame.
He will probably do well and hope he does but kicking off a tee is much
different than kicking off the ground and many kickers don't make that
Y little brother:Just like it'll take BYU beating Utah 23 years
in a row just to even up the series. But their current streak of 0-4
doesn't bode well for the cougs when the series resumes.
LonestarRunnerSalt Lake City, UT"Since when are Texas,
Boise State, and Houston - three teams Utah has NEVER beaten - no name
teams?"BSU and Houston? You have to be kidding. Lol!!"From BYU fans' perspective, Utah fans would rather beat BYU, than
have a winning conference season or play in a bowl."You have it
wrong. What we Utah fans would like is to continue putting byu-provo in
it's place on an annual basis and then get better at taking care of
business in our elite conference. #1 is accomplished. Now the Utes have to up
their game for a level of competition in he Pac-12 that byu-provo could never
hope to give us. In other words...a game with byu-provo is a waste of time.
Just cannon fodder for these sports boards. But, it's always fun talking
to you people.
JohnInSLCConspiculously absent from your list is the total number of
AP Top 25 finishes:BYU - 17Utah - 5Also missing is
the highest finish ever:BYU - #1Utah - #2Longest
consecutive streaks:BYU - 4 (3 streaks of 3 or more AP Top 25
finishes)Utah - 2 (twice)BYU had 11 AP Top 25 finishes, before
Utah managed to crack the AP Top 25 for the first time, in 1994, 17 years after
BYU cracked the final AP poll for the first time in 1977.At its
current rate of one AP Top 25 finish every 15.6 years, it'll take the Utes
another 187 years just to match BYU's current total of 17 AP Top 25
TSA:Your authority is slipping--Utah has 5 Top 25 AP finishes,
'94, '03, '04, '08 and '09.On the other
hand, all-time AP Top 10 finishes looks like this:Utah - 3BYU - 3AP Top 5 all time:Utah - 2BYU - 2It's funny
how Y fans deride 1994, 2004 and 2008 as flukes for Utah. By the same measuring
stick, it would seem that 1983, 1984 and 1996 were flukes for the Y.
What's ironic is when you follow up "but the level of insecurity that
byu fans are displaying has become a little embarrassing" with an insecure
utah "my dad can beat up your dad" rant that is equally embarrassing.Now, watch the DesNews comment police deny this as off topic, while at
the same time the majority of the comments on this article have ZERO to do with
the obviously talented young kicker who selected his dream school.
Rose Bowl call yet?AP Top 25 Finishes (the rankings Utah fans always
cite)BYU 2006 to 2009 - FOURUtah 1965 to 2013 - FOUR
little perspective"Ute fans, TroyTown nailed it...BYU fans would
rather have guaranteed wins against no name teams, especially at home, than risk
a loss."Since when are Texas, Boise State, and Houston - three
teams Utah has NEVER beaten - no name teams?From BYU fans'
perspective, Utah fans would rather beat BYU, than have a winning conference
season or play in a bowl.
UUI can see how frustrated Utah fans have become realizing just how
how meaningless Utah's supposed "ownership" of BYU over the past
dozen years in football really is on a national scale.Even during
the peak of Utah's success, the Utes weren't good enough to put
together four straight AP Top 25 finishes, in fact, BYU had almost as many AP
Top 25 finishes from 2006 to 2009 as Utah has had in their entire history.It is interesting that Utah fans continue to use BYU as their measuring
stick for success, even when beating BYU isn't even good enough to get U to
UU"End of the season rankings are more accurate than mid-season
rankings..."Not only are they more accurate, end of season
rankings are the ONLY rankings that count.1984 BYU #1 AP, #1
Coaches2008 Utah #2 AP, #4 Coaches2004 Utah #4 AP, #5
Coaches1996 BYU #5 AP, #5 CoachesHard as it is for the
kids on the hill to accept, the truth is, BYU's 1996 team was as close as
Utah 2004 and nearly as close as Utah 2008 to winning a Crystal Football
National Championship trophy.If an undefeated season was all that
was required to win a national championship, Marshall and Tulane would have won
national championships during the BCS era.
UUUtah has never come close to the body of work BYU put together
from 1979 to 1984, finishing in the Top 12 five out of six seasons, with more
than twice as many 11+ win seasons in that short six-year period, than Utah has
had in their entire football history; culminating in a 24-game winning streak,
back-to-back Top 7 finishes, and a consensus National Championship, including
finishing #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls.The Utes, by
comparison, weren't even ranked in 2005, 2006, or 2007, the seasons leading
up to their flash-in-the-pan 2008 season.Even in Utah's best
season ever, the Utes only finished 4th in the Coaches Poll, the poll that
determines the winner of the Crystal Football National Championship trophy,
ironically, the exact same trophy awarded to the winner of the BCS championship
game, not the winner of a lesser BCS bowl.You obviously still
haven't grasped the concept that it takes more than one great season for a
program with no national cachet to win a national championship.
Qwest Perfected,Perfectly said.
talkinsports,I can see that Utah's ownership of BYU over the
past dozen years in football, and trips to the Sugar and Fiesta bowls is a tough
pill to swallow. How else do you explain your attendance here on
yet another Utah thread?
@maq "Fact: utah did NOT finish ranked higher than BYU"Wrong. Per Sagarin, Utah 34, BYU 35. Check it out for yourself.
Tajemnica, Utah beat teams that finished the season ranked as
follows: #6 Alabama#7 TCU#19 OSU#21 BYUEnd
of the season rankings are more accurate than mid-season rankings because some
teams prove to be paper tigers (see #5 Utah in 2010 and #1 Pitt in 1986)
midmajor, the fact that you are here on yet another Utah story speaks volumes.
Let's take each of your statements individually:"BYU played
FIVE ranked teams in 2012; Utah only played TWO" Congrats on playing more
ranked teams but BYU ultimately went 1-4 against them, and then built a bowl
resume on the backs of New Mexico State, Hawaii, Idaho State, Weber and a bad
3-9 WSU (not the 2013 bowl team). So what does that make BYU in 2012, the best
of the worst? If your point is that some years BYU's mediocre teams are
better than Utah's and vice versa, then I get it (see 2005). "Utah fans seem to be completely oblivious of, recent past performance and
national cachet, factors Utah was sadly lacking in in 2004 and 2008." BYU
has never come close to putting together a body of work like Utah's 2008
season beating 4 ranked teams including two top 10 teams. Please provide any
year in which BYU football beat two teams that finished the season ranked.
I'll be waiting for your reply.
Glad to have him on board.Utah appears to have caught lightning in a
bottle with Philips, and lining up his heir apparent will hopefully keep the
special teams solid for years to come.Go Utes
Qwest Perfected"But the constant pounding of your chest when
your team is getting bowl games by playing awful competition 85% of the
time,..."Only in the view of a crimson-colored glasses wearer
would playing the 38th toughest schedule in the country be considered playing
awful competition 85% of the time?Utah did win 9 consecutive bowls,
but they were not won in 9 consecutive seasons.Utah's only
streak of 9 consecutive bowl seasons ended with an 8-1 record, with mostof those
wins coming against teams even more mediocre than the teams Utah fans continue
to demean BYU for playing.
@midpacmajorAre you looking at teams ranked at the end of the year
or when the teams played them because in 2012 BYU only played 2 ranked teams and
utah, 3. Please people, use facts in your arguments. Otherwise you make
yourselves and your preferred schools look dumb.
QWEST P..Great post, best of the day, keep them coming!!!
UUOver the past 5 seasons, BYU is 4-1 in bowl games; Utah is only
2-1.Bronco is 9 for 9 in bowls played inKyle is only 7 for
9Bronco has THREE 11+ Win/Top 15 Finishes; Kyle only ONEBronco has TWO Conference Championships; Kyle only ONEDespite
Kyle's flash-in-the-pan 2008 season and head-to-head advantage, Bronco has
obviously accomplished more overall.It's interesting that the
only accomplishment Utah fans have been able to beat their chests about, since
joining the PAC, is, ironically, beating BYU.Unfortunately, that
doesn't compensate for being a perennial conference bottom dweller.
@Spokane UteMark this down with a sharpie. Fact: utah did NOT finish
ranked higher than BYU. Fact #2 of all the so called 'tough' teams
utah played, they only defeated Stanford
@motorbike3? There were no other teams in the country in 2008 that
beat more than 3 ranked teams? Sounds like you need to get your facts straight.
2008 wins vs. top 25 for utah: #12TCU, #14BYU, #4Alabama.
The point, obviously, is that Utah's #41 2012 schedule was easier than
BYU's #38 2013 schedule, yet Utah still wasn't good enough to qualify
for a bowl in 2012.Blame your bowl-less seasons on SOS if it helps
you sleep at night, but it's obvious that SOS isn't the only thing
keeping Utah out of the bowl picture.BYU played FIVE ranked teams in
2012; Utah only played TWO.-----------Rankings, btw, are
based on record, SOS, and a couple of factors Utah fans seem to be completely
oblivious of, recent past performance and national cachet, factors Utah was
sadly lacking in in 2004 and 2008.
@Troy Town "Utah had never played a tougher schedule than BYU's #38
2013 schedule.And BYU has never played a tougher schedule than
Utah's #3 2013 schedule. What's your point?@Troy Town
"BYU 9 straight bowl seasons, Utah 2 straight bowl-less seasons"Over the past 11 seasons, BYU is 6-3 in bowl games while Utah is 8-1
with appearances in the Fiesta and Sugar, not to mention owning the head-to-head
Welcome to Utah Chayden. It's cool to be able to play for "your
team" whoever that team happens to be.As for the rest of these
comments, the same old arguement is so old. I'm not sure what an article
about a local high school kid deciding to go to the U has to do with Utah's
strength of schedule in 2008 but whatever.I know any article about
the two teams will always draw a certain amount of trash talk between the two
rivals but the level of insecurity that byu fans are displaying has become a
little embarrassing. It wasn't that long ago that Utah had that many bowl
wins in row. Utah has missed post season play for two years now and I get the
whole idea of kicking your rival when they are down. But the constant pounding
of your chest when your team is getting bowl games by playing awful competition
85% of the time, then it's probably time to worry more about your own team.
Especially when your rival has beaten your team 4 years in a row.Go
Ute fans, TroyTown nailed it...byu-provo fans would rather have guaranteed wins
against no name teams, especially at home, than risk a loss. Obviously, the
ponies and rainbows they were sold in independence land suits them. They
deserve to be right where they are. The Pac-12 is a great journey
that byu-provo fans will never understand. Who are we to criticize?
@ Snack PAC "#38 (2013) > #56 (2008)"Using you logic
then, #3 (2013) > any BYU schedule in history. What's your point? Or are you simply pointing out that BYU went 8-5 on the #38 SOS in
'13 while Utah went 13-0 on the #56 SOS in '08?
Spokane Ute"Utah played a tougher schedule than BYU last year,
beat BYU and finished ranked [ONE PLACE]higher than BYU."Yet,
BYU once again went bowling, while Utah was once again playing couch potato.Whine all you want to about scheduling, but it's still not going to
help you get to a bowl.-------------UUSagarin goes all the way back to the mid-90s and prior to 2013, Utah had never
played a tougher schedule than BYU's #38 2013 schedule.Bottom
line during the Independent/PAC 12 era:BYU 3 bowls (9 straight bowl
seasons)Utah 1 bowl (2 straight bowl-less seasons)
motorbike"... Utah beat more ranked teams than any other team in
the country in 2008"Even so, Utah only played the 56th toughest
schedule in 2008, which is obviously easier than the 38th toughest schedule that
BYU played in 2013.#38 (2013) > #56 (2008) or #67 (2004)Gary Crowton's 2004, 5-6 BYU team with a #11 SOS, you know, the
team that finally got Crowton fired, actually had a better record than Kyle
Whittingham's 2013, 5-7 Utah team with a #3 SOS. BYU might have
played in a bowl in 2004 if the Blue Cougars had played one more game against
the Red Cougars at the end of the season.Let's not forget, BYU
opened the 2004 season beating Notre Dame(6-6) 20-17 in LaVell Edwards Statium.
@ marked it down "Utes didn't even play a top 60 schedule to qualify
for a bowl, even during Utah's glory seasons of 2004 and 2008.Saying stuff just because you like the way it sounds doesn't make it
true. Perhaps a quick review of the facts might help. Sagarin only goes back
to 2008:2008 #56 SOS Sugar Bowl2009 #75 Poinsettia Bowl2010 #50 Las Vegas Bowl2011 #49 Sun Bowl
Marked it down,I'm surprised you want to talk scheduling
considering Utah's SOS has been tougher than BYU's 5 of the past 6
years. Utah will likely have the #1 SOS in 2014, BYU will probably
come in around 70-80
@Marked"BYU played a tougher schedule in 2013 that ANY Utah has
played, including 2008."In 2008, Utah beat 4 teams that finished
ranked, including 2 that finished ranked in the top 10.In 2013, BYU
only played 1 team who finished ranked, (22)Wisconsin, and lost.Cool
@max-was-right "Guess the though(t) on never kicking in a bowl game
didn't deter him at all"Or he decided that becoming bowl
eligible by scheduling Middle Tennessee State, UNLV, Cal, UConn, Savanah St,
Nevada and Virginia who went a combined 26-60 was embarrassing.
Utah played a tougher schedule than BYU last year, beat BYU and finished ranked
higher than BYU.Mark that down with a Sharpie.LOL!
Marked:So what you're really saying is, in 2013 Utah still
played a tougher schedule than anything BYU has EVER played, including 1984.
Marked it Down,You must have forgotten that Utah beat more ranked
teams than any other team in the country in 2008.
johnnybSouth Jordan, UT"Only if he kicked from the line of
scrimmage and the goal posts were at the front of the endzone."Yeah, I realized that right after I hit Submit. Still, the offense
doesn't even have to cross the 50 to score. Here's hoping that
Chayden's skills never have to be tested short of the 50 yard line.
Lol!The SL Trib posted some videos of Chayden kicking the ball.
They are posted in the Ute Blog section...check it out. Flat out amazing! Max-was-rightspringville, UT"Guess the though on
never kicking in a bowl game didn't deter him at all. Good for him."With the steady diet of Savannah State-esq teams that Holmoe has lined
up for byu-provo, Chayden's field goal services would never be needed.
JohnInSLCSo what you're really saying is that all of
Utah's pre-PAC bowl games were meaningless since the Utes didn't even
play a top 60 schedule to qualify for a bowl, even during Utah's glory
seasons of 2004 and 2008.btw, you seem to be ignoring the Idaho
States, Weber States, Montana States, Northern Colorados and Colorados on
Utah's schedule.btw, BYU played a tougher schedule in 2013 than
ANY schedule Utah had played prior to 2013, including 2004 and 2008.
Max:Perhaps he thought playing against all the Idahos and Savannah
States just to get to a bowl game was not much of a challenge.
Guess the though on never kicking in a bowl game didn't deter him at all.
Good for him.
Chayden looks like a nice get for the Utes.btw, a 68-yard FG is from
your own 49-yard line (distance minus 17 yards).
A 68 yard field goal would be from the teams 42 yard line with the 10 yard
@ MyPerspectiveOnly if he kicked from the line of scrimmage and the
goal posts were at the front of the endzone.
68 yards? That's from the opponent's 32 yard line! Lol!! Welcome to Utah and the Pac-12, young man. We're glad to have you!Go Utes!!
Sounds like a good kid with solid ability. Glad to have him aboard, and
hopefully it turns out like the transition from Louie Sakoda to Joe Phillips.
Special teams can often be the glue a team needs for a complete game. 2011 saw
two games (at Pitt and at Wazzu) won from good special teams play, and three
games (at USC, UW, CU) lost partially due to poor special teams play. Good luck
this year and on your mission, Chayden!
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