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Published: Wednesday, April 16 2014 9:25 a.m. MDT

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Ken
Sandy, UT

Law abiding people are welcome. Others are not. Do it legally or don't do it. And please don't suggest it's good to teach your kids breaking the law is ok if it helps you out.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

The two words that are always missing is Illegal and Amnesty. Those are what it is about. Those that are illegal and those that want amnesty.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"Republicans didn’t want to give a legislative victory to the president."

It could have just as easily said "Democrats" had there been a GOP president.

Look people. We need good ideas and solutions. And it should make no difference who puts them forth. R or D, what difference does it make?

What is Patriotism? I contend that it is putting country first.

More and more, we are putting party ahead of country and calling that patriotism. This is the biggest threat to the future of America.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

We already have the most liberal (legal) immigration policy in the world.

About the only other thing we could do to make things all "warm and fuzzy" for illegal alien trespassers would be to have a new SUV (paid for taxpayers of course)dropped off at the border for them to drive while they're our "guests".

NOTHING at all is wrong with current law - just enforce it.

Tell smarmy business owners that we want jobs for LEGAL citizens first.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

"I'm convinced the people of the United States are willing and want a solution," said Dieter F. Uchtdorf, second counselor in the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, after the meeting. Speaking of Congress, he said, "we hope they are mindful of Christian values and don't block those values because different political sides cannot agree on a solution that would bless so many families, individuals and the entire country."

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You either Agree or Disagree with the LDS Presidency.

I agree.

and BTW -- The uber-far-right-wing insistance of 100% total depotation is NOT a viable solution, and is not in harmony with the LDS 1st presidency nor the Utah compact which they also support.

techpubs
Sioux City, IA

{And just last week, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush expressed sympathy for the plight of undocumented immigrants. While noting that “they broke the law,” Bush said, “It’s not a felony. It’s an act of love. It’s an act of commitment to your family.”}

And if a person robs a bank or store in order to feed their family that would also be an act of love. So we need to release all of those people from our prisons and stop sending them there so that they can continue to make the commitment to their families.

SLars
Provo, UT

A major website did a survey, It found that Catholic voters were three times more likely to say the government has "a lot" of moral responsibility to protect American workers from
competition with immigrant workers than to say it has "a lot" of moral responsibility to protect illegal immigrants from being separated from their families by deportation.
It's no wonder the Catholic church was not there.

Amnesty for the eighth time is the wrong thing to do. We need to learn from our mistakes

SCfan
clearfield, UT

Talk about bad timing. This is an election year, with the hugely important mid-terms only a little over 6 months away. No way a huge contentious bill gets any traction now. This is just the Democrats trying to create another wedge issue to use. Wait until the dust settles from the upcoming election, then we'll talk. And, the term "immigration reform" usually means enforcement for conservatives, and amnesty for liberals. I say let's secure the border first. Then we talk about how the illegal millions here are to proceed to possible citizenship.

SLars
Provo, UT

@LDS Liberal
Deporting 12 million, according to a government study done in 2007 by the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agency put the cost at 94 billion. This is a one time cost, that does not include self deportation. The Federation for American Immigration Reform puts the cost of illegal immigration at $113 billion per year. When you add in the boost to our economy from putting millions of Americans back to work in non agriculture jobs, we can't afford not to.

The compact was a "manipulation of the political process" by members of the Chamber of Commerce. See the other article covering the meeting.

cmsense
Kaysville, UT

I find Elder Uchtdorf's comments reassuring. I went to my caucus meeting and all the candidates to be delegates just wanted to ship everyone back, one even prefacing her stance as "I know this sounds cruel". It sounds cruel because it is cruel and deep down she knew it was wrong. It is not realistic or practical either to ship 12 million people back, many of whom have been here for decades. Yes ship people back who just got here. Yes ship people back that have criminal histories. Yes build a fence and make it difficult to cross and enforce our borders. No don't ship people back who have been here for years and their children grew up here. No don't break up families. Yes make them pay a penalty and earn the right to vote through a significant process. If they are veterans of our military, yes grant them citizenship. Yes let there be a workable program for mirgrant workers.

Esquire
Springville, UT

It's too bad the chosen party of this newspaper, the Republican Party, is not letting reform happen.

And for you who huff and puff about the law, a change in the law will fix your concern, will it not? What's the problem if the law is changed? Or are your objections really based on other things?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

SLars
Provo, UT
@LDS Liberal
Deporting 12 million, according to a government study done in 2007 by the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agency put the cost at 94 billion.

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And this does not account for the CHILDREN, or for the break up of these FAMILIES.

The LDS Church is correct in seeking a compromise.
You are wrong.

You either support the Church,
or you do not.

That's all there is to it.

SLars
Provo, UT

LDS Liberal

The children are deported with their parents, why would you think otherwise? If they are born here, they can return at 18 and file their citizenship papers. (actually the papers need to be signed at 17). That's been the law since the 80's.

We have our free agency, and the right to choose which side we take in a political issue.

We are suppose to question.
I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by Him. --Brigham Young, "Eternal Punishment," Journal of Discourses,

From the Young Women Personal Progress Program
“I will choose good over evil and will accept responsibility for my decisions.”

It's time the people here illegally were made accountable for their decisions.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

RE: "reform of the nation’s immigration laws are needed now, not in a political campaign cycle that is convenient for Republicans”...

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How is postponing this till the election convenient for Republicans??

Republicans have zero chance of winning any immigrant votes. Pushing this to an election year benefits Democrats.

There's no element of the immigration debate that gives Republicans an advantage. Democrats do use it to their advantage though.

Republicans don't gain votes by having this debate during the election.

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This will sound "immoral" but I think we actually need to temporarily slow down immigration (even legal immigration). We can't keep adding millions of new people to the work force annually in an economy that isn't creating any new jobs.

Once the economy picks up and we see job creating requiring more workers... THEN you loosen up immigration laws... not when there are no new jobs for the new people immigrating to the US. They have to displace someone from their job... or go jobless themselves...

Either way... it's not good for the US Government or our economy to have more workers than we have jobs.

RRB
SLC, UT

Have the 8th, 9th, and 10th Commandments been rescinded?

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" (Isaiah 5:20)

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber." (John 10:1)

There are many more arguments for enforcement than amnesty. That said, this was a very small group of people, the majority of religions were not there.

I don't see an opportunity, when amnesty would deliver 32 million new Democrats. (congressional budget office report of senate bill) over the next ten years. If Obama tries to issue an executive order, it will kill any "reform" talks.

When do we discuss how business gets amnesty also. Should they be exempt and prosecuted? The family excuse does not work for them. Wait, if they are in jail, they are separated from family, so I guess it works for them also.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

Enforcing the border and enforcing employer sanctions will pretty much take care of the problem. I believe that those who cannot get jobs will self deport. No families need to be broken up. There is no law keeping them from all returning to their own country and being together.

I think we're all very conflicted about this. No one wants to see someone suffer. But, we need immigration to happen on our own terms and not of the terms of those who choose to break the law.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

People who see immigration as a political opportunity, or an opportunity to score some political points for their side... are on the wrong path.

Immigrating to a new country is a big decision. These people are uprooting their lives and their families. And some people just see them as numbers, political leverage, votes, minions, rhetorical points scored for their team, etc....

At least they are doing it legally. I'm proud of them. Shows they respect the laws of the country they are immigrating too. That's a good sign.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

I get the feeling that both Republicans and Democrats are fed up with the tail wagging the dog on this issue. The Utah Compact is a great starting point for a solution. I think we can all agree Utah is reasonable conservative state yet there always seem to be those digging in and trying to make sure nothing gets done.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

SLars
Provo, UT
LDS Liberal

The children are deported with their parents, why would you think otherwise? If they are born here, they can return at 18 and file their citizenship papers. (actually the papers need to be signed at 17). That's been the law since the 80's.

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On what planet? --
The 14th ammendment [specifically Section 1.] assures automatic citizenship when born here.

That's been in the United States Constitution since the 1860's.

Deporting American children with their non-America Parents is HEARTLESS,
and that, in part, is what Pres. Uchtdorf is referring.

BTW --
I thank God in Heaven above that he provided a COMPROMISE [Jesus Christ himself] to get into his Kingdom as well.

If he was a heartless as some of you,
Lucifer would win,
and NONE of us would make it -- because we have ALL broken the laws at one time or another.

Justice and Mercy is a BALANCE -- i.e., compromise.

Ltrain
St. George, UT

@ LDS Liberal

The action that is "HEARTLESS" is the democratic party using, and manipulating minorities so that they will get their votes to stay in power. They never offer any solutions to help these people, just abuse them for votes by continually playing the race card. Pres. U didn't mention anything about amnesty so let's not get high and mighty thinking he's signing off on The Dem's master plan.

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