driggsdude. I like Jeff too, but he had a lot more to work with. A lot more
talent and experience. Let this play out before you rant on and fire everyone. I
agree it's been tough to watch, but I remember when the Spurs were
I'm OK with the path the JAZZ took this year, but this is the last year I
will be rooting for the JAZZ to lose. Somehow it is damaging to my psych to
root again the JAZZ. They need to start finding lots of ways to win because
that will be the only thing acceptable to me in the future.
One of the greatest players to ever "don" a Jazz uniform is a strong
candidate for Coach of the year, and led a team with far less talent than the
Jazz to nearly 50 wins and what should have been a playoff berth in his 1st
season as a head coach. How the Jazz "so called" Brain trust" led by "Mr.Clueless" Randy Rigby could let Horny get away is
"criminal", and he MUST be shown the door along with Corbin. Under 25
wins and fans disguised as "Green Empty Seats" is disgraceful, and LHM
would NEVER have allowed this mediocrity and erosion to happen. If Greg Miller
doesn't pull the trigger he not only faces MANY more losing season, but
also the loss of his father's beloved franchise!
All those clamoring that we don't have a coach that stresses
defense...you're mistaken. Look at the statistics for this year and
you'll see that the Jazz's defensive statistics are actually their
best statistics. The Jazz are about middle of the NBA is points allowed (17th in
the league) The Jazz's worse statistic...points scored! The Jazz are
just about last in the league in points scored (29th place)The exact
opposite point is probably more accurate, that we have a coach that stresses
defense maybe too much and can't get good, consistent scoring out of his
I for one am all in on the game plan. If I had to watch one more season of our
two bigs leading us to the 7th or 8th seed just to get swept in the first round
of the playoffs I was going to throw up! We could have overpaid those guys and
gotten the same seeding that we always got with them. Guess where both Milsap
and Jefferson are right now? 7th seed for Milsap and 8th seed for Jefferson, in
the East!. No thank you. Blow it up, get under the cap, keep the best of the
young guys, draft smart for a couple of years and give us a chance to be a real
contender again. I keep the Burk brothers, our two young bigs and if we can get
Gordon under 10M a year we keep him too; anything else is too high. If you get
the 4th spot keep it, if not trade your two #1's and a player for a top 3
pick. Jabari, Wiggins or Embiid will suit me just fine.
Few more things..If you'd rather just keep the same 45 win team
together every year and never take a risk, know that the Jazz would never
seriously contend with that strategy. And there's a reason they
didn't add good players to help the youngsters this season. They want the
young guys to get experience, show what they can do and win games, but they
don't want veterans to come in and win games. That doesnt help the young
core when they play poorly but the team still wins and those veterans leave
after the season. If you intend to lose games, you don't keep Mo Willaims,
Randy Foye or Damarre Carroll. Williams and Foye are guys that can score 25
points one night. You want them on your team for that reason, but not if you
want to get a good draft pick. You don't keep Damarre because he'll
shut down a team's best scorer then you win 80-77 even though the young
core didn't play well. Lindsay is using the only strategy that
will work for Utah. Waiting for a superstar to come as a free agent will not
This was a game of losers...whomever lost wold win. They would have better odds
in the so-called lottery for the top draft choice. Neither team could not have
much worse this year. The Lakers will wind up with a change in coaches; the
Jazz are considered "young," so will just take a top draft choice which
will add to them being "young." Not much will change.
I'm gonna vent a little to people who don't understand how the NBA
works. For those that don't remember, Dennis Lindsay came from the
Spurs--The perfect example of how to put together a contender in a small market.
Guess how it started? Drafting David Robinson, then tanking for Tim Duncan after
Robinson got injured that year. They have kept it up for the last 15 years by
drafting guys like Parker, Manu, Splitter, Leonard, etc. Most of them outside
the lottery. Lindsay worked a trade to get the best pg we've had since
Williams left. Then traded back into the 1st round (and gave up almost nothing)
to get a legit 7 footer with a lot of potential. Then used a 2nd round pick on
an unknown foreign point guard who lit up the summer league. NBA teams are lucky
to get one good player in a draft and Lindsay picked three. It will take a few
years and they HAVE TO draft a real star to go with all the pieces already in
place, but they will be competing for titles soon.
What are you guys complaining about, what possible positive could have come from
a win last night? None, Zip. Everyone complaining right now will
look back at this season as a huge success. Do you see Spurs fans complaining
about tanking for Tim Duncan? Did not think so.Now lets hire a
competent head coach, get some toughness back on this team and play some
This unfortunate turn of events is aided and abetted by the NBA. The Lakers
left behind 3 of their "walking wounded" with various "pinkie
bruises". Meanwhile, the Warriors lose Bogut first with a kick to the groin
by Marc Gosol and then an elbow to the ribs by Fareid. He is out for the
playoffs with a broken rib. I would say that these injuries are lots worse than
what the Lakers came up with. Somehow the NBA has to come up with an answer.
The lottery system was a good start. However, it just isn't working. The
answer would be to use a "relegation" system like the English Premier
League for soccer football. That would mean bringing Kentucky into the mix and
dropping Milwaukee back into college. Actually, you could use the SEC as the
relegation league. In the Premier League, relegation costs millions. In the
NBA, it only costs a ping pong ball which may or may not have a tiny weight to
give it a hidden advantage. Nevertheless pending Minnesota, the Jazz have
survived and it's "back to the drawing board maybe "sans"
This is crazy. Last year everyone was all over the Jazz office for not playing
the guys of the future. And then everyone applauded them when they let the
free-agents go so that we could play the young core even knowing that we would
be bad. Lindsey could have made some other free-agent moves to get some better
players but then the young guys still wouldn't get to play and we would be
in the middle like where Denver is; no playoffs and no draft pick.As
a small market team Utah's only chance to get better is through the draft
and then sign a quality bench through free-agency. Just a couple of years ago
Golden State sold out there season when it knew it was over and now they are a
50-win team. High draft pick and tons of cap-space in a loaded free-agent
market. Only thing needed now is a little luck and a new coach because Corbin
has lost this team. My only question is Ante Tomic is now being lauded as a
powerhouse in the Euroleague. Why won't we bring him over?
gehelmkeWhy don't you look at the minutes averages. Youngsters
that we thought were the future of the jazz got big minutes. They failed to
prove they were worth keeping. Now we are left with a shell of a team. The draft
may help, but I doubt it will be significant.
So many authorities, so many arm chair managers, it's amazing that some of
you are so short sighted. I'm sure there's a plan. Give Lindsey a
chance, he came from one of the most winning organizations in the NBA. It's
hard to watch your team play so poorly every single night, but remember most of
these are just babies in the NBA. Last year we cried for the youth to be
developed. I think the Jazz did the best with what they had. I'm sure that
Marvin and Jefferson were on the floor to give some kind of veteran presence.
The Jazz have plenty of cash, plenty of room, and some intriguing draft picks,
and Neto. I don't know what they will do with the coaching spot, but the
Layden, Sloan, Corbin playbook needs to be updated. I doubt anyone could have
done much with this group, but if Lindsey can build a Spurs like blue collar
defensive team out of the options that they have, then I think everyone should
be excited about the future.
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that the Lakers will somehow,
against all odds, in a completely not rigged lottery, get the number one pick.
Putting all your hope on getting a high draft pick is not a winning strategy.
The Jazz have a team full of "lottery picks" and 3 players picked in the
top 3. What is getting the number 4 pick going to do for them? Make them NBA
champions? To me it looks like there is no real plan, just hope. The Jazz are
faced with some tough decisions ahead and it may be time for the Millers to
As this very forgetable season fades into the swirling purple mist, let's
review "the plan" put into effect by Dennis Lindsey....The Comment by
hedgelog seems to indicate Mr. Lindsey is a dastardly type who should be ridden
out of town on a rail....I beg to differ!The plan called for this
year to be a year for the powers that be to see who, among the youngsters, could
play at the level required to win in the NBA....Corbin ignored that plan, giving
thousands of minutes to players like Jefferson and Williams, who probably
won't be returning next year, due to their expiring contracts.The plan called for the infrequent wins this year to give the Jazz some
excellent draft choices...The money freed from expiring contracts to give the
Jazz some money to play in the free agent market.....Corbin ignored this plan as
well, realizing his status as a coach will be judged almost exclusively by his
won/lost record.Lindsey's plan is solid. If he made a mistake,
it was retaining Corbin to develop these youngsters....Hope here is that he will
correct that mistake in the near future.
Being a loyal Jazz fan and in the spirit of good sportsmanship, I would
encourage all Jazz fans to send a note of congratulations to the Los Angelos
Lakers for their inspired performance at Energy Solutions arena last night
(tongue-in-cheek). The fans need to especially thank Nick Young and Jodie Meeks
for their contribution in their win. Like one Laker said, they did not need more
ping-pong balls because they have Kobe Bryant coming back next season. Of
course, the Jazz did suffer a humiliating loss that landed them at the bottom of
the Western Conference, the fourth worst record in the NBA (depending upon
whether they lose at Minnesota with the Celtics tanking hard at the end of the
season) and a chance to have one of the highest picks ever in a rich and loaded
draft this year. So to all of you Lakers fans, congratulations on your
team's effort. We hope you enjoy Kobe next year while we have to settle for
a future super-star. We thank you sincerely from the bottom of our hearts.
we need a coach who has a clue about defense
Considering how the Jazz built their success a couple decades ago, it would seem
"the draft" is the only way they'll accomplish it. Now if they
will have superstar draftees who are willing to remain over the long term, as
was the core of their winning years (thinking in particular, Stockton and
Malone) rather than chasing the money elsewhere when they are eligible to become
free agents, they may once again attain that level they so long enjoyed.Nonetheless, sitting in ESA with my daughter last night, courtesy of AAA
(thank you very much!), it was a difficult loss to swallow.
@DukesterIt depends on how you define "turning the Jazz around".
With a lottery pick we draft this summer we will not be ready to contend for a
title and frankly I doubt we can make the playoffs next year. But, it will add a
quality player (or 2) and combined with dipping into the free agent pool and
bringing in Raul Neto we get better. I'm convinced we will see a coaching
change too and I'm hoping for a coach that will demand the team plays
defence and continues to develop our young guys. We'll get back to the
playoffs in a year or 2 and the fans just need to trust and have patience.
This team should donate their last checks of the season to charity. They
certainly did not earn them.
It's sad to see the once proud Jazz franchise dismantled in a single season
by Dennis Lindsey. I personally will furnish the rail if the millers have the
courage to run him out of town.
What a team! What an organization! Will getting a more attractive draft pick
really turn the Jazz around? How will it effect ownership? How about our
Well done Jazz. Now hope for a kind ping pong ball.