I have a hard time reading these articles sometimes. "Love thy neighbor"
? I think a lot of people are filled with a lot of hot air! I have been faithful
to my other half for 15 years and I try to live the best I can. Guess what, in
the eyes of most people here, I am still immoral! All because my spouse is
another man! What is immorality? Who gets to decide, because I know it
isn't immoral to love him. I think, much of what has been done to gay
people in our society is immoral. It is immoral to degrade somebody that way.
Some sins don't really have a name, do they! When you talk about these
things, it is the way we treat others that is so important! Adultery is bad
because of what it does! It creates mistrust and so much pain! I know it
isn't wrong to love him! We have been very happy! It brings good into our
lives and we need that so much!
"It’s how the éros (erotic love) of romance becomes the
agápe (unconditional Christ-like love) of committed life together".+++Who wants their erotic love to become Christ like love?
We should strive to have Christ like love for everyone. This means we care for
their well being. If my erotic love for my wife turned into only this, that
would be tragic.Erotic love is every bit as much from God as is
Christ like love. One is not a substitute for the other.
@ Schnee:Tithing donations are used for many other things besides
humanitarian efforts, including building new temples and church houses and the
ongoing maintenance of those buildings. Humanitarian related funds primarily
come from designated "Fast Offerings" and "Humanitarian" on the
church donation slips, and are completely separate from tithing.Keep
in mind that 100% of those donations go directly to helping those in need. There
are no administrative or overhead costs whatsoever. All of that is done
voluntarily. Very few other help organizations in the world can make such a
claim. It's an added incentive for me and many others to donate.But getting back to the humanitarian aid effort itself, can you name any other
comparable sized churches who have given over $700 million in humanitarian aid
around the world in the past 20 years?Personally, I find that extremely
@ Willem:A quick online google check shows that that Ronald Reagan
visited in 1982 and was quoted saying, “If, during the period of the
Great Depression, every church had come forth with a welfare program founded on
these correct principles … we would not be in the difficulty in which we
find ourselves today.”George Bush visited and toured the
facilities in May, 2008.And even Al Sharpton visited in May of 2007.There are undoubtedly others that I will research after my next work
shift that I need to very soon leave for.I do remember there also
being many world leaders and dignitaries who visited both Temple Square and
Welfare Square during the Olympics in SLC, many who left many positive comments
about the welfare organization and how it benefits society in multiple ways. Such things are not hard to find out for yourself online if your
interest in actually legitimate.
@objectifiedAnd who may be those multiple Presidents of the USA
that came to SLC to learn from our church and when did that happen,as a devout
mormon i have never heard that tale. Please be so kind and clue me in with full
details ,names and dates.
@Objectified"It actually does more in this regard than any other
church of a comparable size. "700 million over 20 years in
humanitarian aid is simultaneously nice and only the equivalent of around 3% of
tithing (+- 1% since well... the church doesn't publish tithing numbers,
only humanitarian aid numbers, so I have to estimate the other) in that
@ Willem:You obviously fail to understand the enormous amount of
effort the LDS church does in helping the needy with it's immense welfare
program that has had multiple presidents of the United States come to SLC to
learn about and want to emulate on a national scale because of it's
recognized success. The Church is currently helping tens of thousands of
otherwise homeless people... veterans and/or non-veterans alike. It makes no
difference. It's usually one of the first organizations to
offer significant relief efforts whenever and anywhere on this planet a major
natural disaster occurs. Many non-Mormon groups have recognized this fact and
lauded the LDS church for it's ongoing humanitarian efforts. It actually
does more in this regard than any other church of a comparable size. For you to not recognize these efforts just because the Church also advocates
fidelity in marriage is extremely short-sighted. Any religion can advocate
multiple good causes at the same time without compromising any of them
individually. In fact, as someone else pointed out, creating stronger marriages
eventually reduces other welfare needs. Think it through. It's just common
But all that fidelity to family is not working well when our divorce rate is
over 50 % and when the Salt Lake City homeless shelter recently reported that in
one week they helped 5 gay mormon youth that were thrown out by their families!
Lets concentrate on the needy,lets not be obsessed with sex ,help our homeless
A covenant is cut not made that's why the blood and the Body. Life is thee
most important thing in the world. Sealed in blood, witnessed by others to
defend it till death. is a Promise you want to keep.
@Willem"Our church is too obsessed with sex,lets concentrate on
helping the hungry instead!"-------And yet marriage
infidelity leads to fatherless families, which leads to poverty. This is not an
obsession with sex, as you erroneously claim, but an obsession with having
strong roots in the family and society, which leads to less poverty and less
Willem,Follow the chain the leads to poverty. Sex is the starting
point. Doing things "out of season" often has harsh and unwanted
consequences. In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we are told
to never have sexual relations outside of marriage. We are told to have
complete fidelity to our spouse after we are married. If we do that, then, as a
married couple, we face life's problems together. When hardship comes, we
work together to overcome that hardship. We find the way, together, to overcome
poverty. We work together to do whatever is necessary to provide for our
family, whether that family consists only of the two of us, or whether children
have been sent into our family. We help the hungry by not being a
burden on society ourselves. We strengthen each other, our family and our
society by being able to take care of our family first and then to assist others
through service and by contributing fast offerings which first go to those in
our neighborhood (whether the recipient is a member of our Church or not).
Wait! You mean receiving from others isn't joy? Serving others is? How could that be?
Our church is too obsessed with sex,lets concentrate on helping the hungry
Interesting train of thought.