I love that we've landed another "preferred walk-on" for the
football team. While Hayden wasn't highly recruited, the student body
president who was seeing some interest from Harvard seems like a great fit at
the Y. I hope he can play his way into a scholarship. Welcome to cougarnation
Hayden! Go Cougs!
Hayden and Kyle both seem like great young men who will be fine additions to
BYU's football program.
Sounds like a great kid.
Great News!! Now let's get his brother onboard along with Porter Gustin!!
Bronco has said numerous times that he wants to capture the outstanding LDS
athletes, and these are all in that league! Go get them!!!
"Griffitts is a 6-foot-3, 222-pound quarterback prospect..."Not according to Rivals, who'd measured him as a 6-1, 198-lbs QB. Nor
Scout either (6-1, 195)."I had a lot of schools real interested
until I told them my plans to serve an LDS mission."The way
he'd described it, you'd think he'd been actively engaged by
teams from the FSU, Miami, and the rest of the SEC. Yet all that had happened
was he'd been scouted (but not offered) by Utah, USU, AFA, Harvard, and
Weber St. "My plan was to serve a mission right out of high
school, so when I told schools, they backed off."Yeah, I'm
sure THAT was reason. Not that he'd been rated as a 0-star QB.
Wiscougarfan:"While Hayden wasn't highly recruited, the
student body president who was seeing some interest from Harvard seems like a
great fit at the Y."The way I'd read it, it was his twin
brother (Kyle) who was the student body president.It's great
that you're excited about landing a 0-star QB, but you guys had already
demonstrated a strong aptitude at reeling in the 2-star type gridders. You
might be selling yourself a bit short here.
So of the 60 or so power conference schools, exactly 0 have offered him?That's all we need to know.
Navel Vet: "The way he'd described it, you'd think he'd been
actively engaged by teams from the FSU, Miami, and the rest of the SEC. Yet all
that had happened was he'd been scouted (but not offered) by Utah, USU,
AFA, Harvard, and Weber St."He didn't claim to be offered
by anyone, and he didn't identify or even hint at their caliber. The only problem I see is your habit of making unsupported inferences.
to the ute fans that find it necessary to mock this signing....You do realize
this kid is a walk on right? We don't think he is going to be the next
steve young. just like how your Oklahoma transfer probably won't even
Not according to Rivals, who'd measured him as a 6-1, 198-lbs QB. Nor Scout
either (6-1, 195). Those were stats from his freshman year. They never updated
nhatch,Our Oklahoma kid was wanted by many big time programs,
including OklahomaYours? 0 power conference teams wanted him.Enough said
I enjoyed the article. The Griffeths packages looks great.the world:
You mean, vN (Naval Vet) has a habit of making unsupported inferences? Who
NavalIf you're going to mock a walk-on for saying that schools
were interested in him you should list all the schools that were interested
(which might require you to look at more than recruitment website rather than
cherry picking). In addition to Utah, USU, AFA, Harvard, and Weber St. (rivals)
he saw interest from USC and Florida State (scout). But keep playing the stars
card, because that is ever so important in evaluating walk-ons. We
don't know if Hayden will ever play for the Cougars, but we do know that
he'll get a fabulous education at a very unique university.
Naval Vet, I would trust BYU's judgement with QB over Utah's any day.
BYU has a Heisman trophy, Utah doesn't. Sure we had Ryley Nelson, but hey
Wynn, Wilson, Hayes, etc etc. If BYU goes after him it's because he is
@Big 12?so this kid leaves a big time program at Oklahoma to try and
get some playing time at a cellar dweller PAC 11 team and still wont play. How
great of a pick up could that possibly be? This kid is a walk on and will
probably not ever step on the field other than to stretch out. Seems like they
are pretty similar. But hey you guys know all because of the great research
program the utes provide to the pac 12 so you are probably right.
Since the BCS is gone, we're calling them Power Conferences now? Power to
do what? Cross your fingers and hope that some selection committee picks you
for the four team playoff? But wait, aren't there more than four
"Power" conferences? How can that be?And who designated
these conferences Power Conferences? I've lived in PAC territory since the
'60s, was an Oregon fan when Dan Fouts was the quarterback and Ahmad Rashad
was the tailback. Always been a fan of teams, not of conferences. Those who
feel compelled to beat the drum about their conference clearly don't think
they have much to say about their team...e.g. see my friends at OSU.IMO, with the death of the BCS, there are no power conferences, nobody gets a
guaranteed seat at the table. At this point, there are only power teams in
college football.I'll continue to be a fan of the my boyhood
team, the Ducks, USC (lived in CA for 20 yrs), and the teams where I went to
school, the Utes and the Cougars, can't say I've ever been a fan of
the PAC, or any other, conference.
Soooo, thanks for self identifying as a member of a "power conference."
Does getting conference money and never winning even close to as many games as
you lose qualify you to diminish walk-ons at the Y? We all know,
and Coach Whit can see as his job is in terrific jeopardy that that power
conference experiment has been a dismal failure except for those that schedule
you within that conference. Those teams love the U. I know, you won a game
vs BYU and Stanford last year….we all know that…how the rest of the
Erin G.:"Not according to Rivals, who'd measured him as a
6-1, 198-lbs QB. Nor Scout either (6-1, 195). Those were stats from his freshman
year. They never updated them."That's not supported
anywhere. You made that up. How frantic and emotional of you.Duckhunter:"He's a walk on that had three preferred walk
on offers, BYU, USU, and utah...in otherwords [sic] utah wanted him just as much
as BYU..."That's not supported anywhere. You made that up.
How frantic and emotional of you.guitarboy:So now
you're stalking me in TWO periodicals? Your creepy obsession with me knows
no limits. And for what it's worth, I didn't make any
"unsupported inferences". I "supported" it with a
cut-&-paste quote from him.
Wow, I'm amazed how threatened Naval Vet and co. seem to be by this
little-known walk-on QB who happens to want to play for BYU. I guess years of
QB futility can take a toll....I hope the best for this kid on his
mission and look forward to seeing him in Provo. Will he be an impact player?
Who knows? All we really know about him at this point is that he throws a LOT
of touchdowns against very few picks. Sounds like a pretty solid foundation on
which to start. Welcome aboard, Hayden!
some people are so fascinated with BYU walkons they search and search to find
height and weight figures from earlier in high school….most people are
smaller and lighter earlier in their teen years. I'm sure teams in the
"power conferences" only have players that were well over 200lbs when
they turned 16 in high school.
@navalHere's your comment:"That's not
supported anywhere. You made that up. How frantic and emotional of you."Now here is the comment from the article in the Dnews on the 10th, it is
quoting an article from the Orlando Sentinel. It is still right there for you to
read."While neither Hayden nor Kyle Griffitts has received a
scholarship offer from BYU, they had already been given preferred walk-on status
at BYU, Utah and Utah State, according to Hays' article."LOL. What a "frantic and emotional" reply from you, and funny since as
usual you were 100% wrong. lol
While he may not be able to throw more than 15 yards, it sounds as if he will
field punts in practice which is good enough to be a two year starter at BYU.
So let me get this straight. There is a really great quarterback in Florida who
is coming to BYU. It deserves an article in the Desnews. However, he
isn't good enough to get a scholarship. Right?
Naval VetWhy are you so obsessed with demeaning EVERY prospect that
commits to BYU?Hayden and Kyle look like great prospects that any
program would be happy to have.The little brother syndrome obviously
runs deep Phily.
AlpinerPreferred walk-on status generally means "we like you,
but don't currently have a scholarship available for you; come join our
team, show us that you're good enough to play for us, and we promise to
give you a scholarship as soon as one is available".BYU knows
that Hayden is going on a mission and when he returns in a couple of years, BYU
will likely have a scholarship available for him, maybe after a red-shirt
Sounds like a perfect "will over skill" guy to me.
navelvet"Not according to Rivals, who'd measured him as a
6-1, 198-lbs QB. Nor Scout either (6-1, 195)."According to
Rivals, Travis Wilson is 6'6", 205 lbs. Scout has him at 6'6",
210 lbs.Utah lists Travis at 6'7", 240 lbs.So
who's lying?Or do you use different "fact checking"
standards when it comes to reports about recruits who commit to Utah?
54IQ"Sounds like a perfect "will over skill" guy to
me."So why did Utah offer him the same deal as BYU - preferred
walk-on status?Doesn't Utah only recruit 4- and 5-star
@alpinerA prefered walk on means they are on the team, no try out,
just like a scholarship player their spot on the roster is guaranteed and as
Riddles in the Dark pointed out it means they feel that kid will more than
likely be in line for a scholarship down the road. Since BYU, USU, and utah all
gave both of them prefered walk on offers it means all 3 schools put the same
value on them. naval's "frantic and emotional" posts on the subject
are really nothing more than that, "frantic and emotional", and they
added a humorous element to what would otherwise just be a story we would all
take note of but not really give much more thought to. But you have to
understand things like this are determining facotrs in the overall mental health
and psyche of utah "fans" like naval vet, a kid choosing BYU over utah,
even if it is just a prefered walk on, means he has to jump directly into
defensive mode to preserve his feelings of superiority. It's a fun thing to
Naval Vet is at it again. Making unsupported statements then disparaging anyone
who disagrees with him.NV, I'm still waiting for you to make
that $1000 bet. Yes it's me. Greek Sophistry on Discus.I think
you're probably a pretty good guy, but you sound like a juvenile in most of
your posts. Why did you go out of your way to diss a kid who wants to play at
BYU? That's just small ... you're better than that. Really.Give the kid a break.
Let's pick on the teenager who is leaving on a mission to Japan. He is
simply excited to get preferred walk on status. Impressive is that he only threw
2 INT's in his Sr. season.
Snack WAC:That's an entirely separate issue. Wilson WAS 6-6,
205....back in 2012. But this is 2014 -- 2 yrs later. Hayden's stats were
from last fall. There are no reports of him adding 35-lbs since then.
navelvetLOL at your spin.Hayden WAS 6'1", 198
lbs; NOW he's 6'3", 222 lbs.Why is it so hard for you
to accept that a still growing teenager might have added a couple of inches and
20+ pounds since last summer?You obviously haven't been around
teenaged boys recently. My nephew always seems to be wearing floods, because
he's constantly growing out of his pants.
@naval"Hayden's stats were from last fall. There are no
reports of him adding 35-lbs since then."Sure there were, right
here in this article. You do realize it doesn't have to be on the rivals or
scout websites to make it so don't you? lol
deductive reasoning:Hayden IS 6-1, 198. That's the only
supported measurements. Those extra inches and pounds is due to a typo, and one
that cougar fans have excitedly glommed on to in order assuage the
disappointment of landing yet ANOTHER unheralded recruit. And THIS one
wasn't even good enough to be awarded 2-stars. So LOL at YOUR spin.
Ha! Well since I am his mother I have his annual physical stats from his dr to
go by. Purely fact, not emotional. And yes, both of my boys have gained/lost
20-30 pounds in a season/offseason. One of my sons gained 60 pounds his freshman
year, when he started lifting weights for the first time. College players will
often put on 30-40 pounds when they start working out and eating properly, but
then I would think you would already know that from following all the stats!
I've followed the stats on scout and rival since my boys were freshmen.
They're always off because they grow an inch or gain/lose weight before
it's printed. Believe me that at this exact moment Hayden is 6'3"
222 pounds. Guess what he's not in season. Even if those stats are from
beginning if senior year, He's gained weight since he's not playing
football right now. He just came back from vaca, I bet he weighs 225 now!
NV - give it a rest, dude. He's going on a mission first. We'll see
him when he gets back. If ever. His high school stats are meaningless. His
ranking is meaningless. He'll get a chance to make the team. That's
more than you or I would have ever been offered.I wonder how
you'd feel if someone like you were dissing your son.Give the
kid a break.
Navel Vet is in such desperate denial that he probably won't even believe
the testimony from Hayden's own mother about Hayden's current height
and weight.According to our phily friend, Rivals and Scout are
gospel, and any report that contradicts these two sites is heresy.
Once again, Naval Vet pretends to know more about a BYU recruit he's never
even seen in person, than the player's teammates, coaches, and even parents
know simply because some anonymous high school scout posted it on Rivals or
@Erin GWe are happy to have your son! Hope he has a great mission
and look forward to him at the Y! Hopefully he doesn't go to South
America, gets some sort of worm, loses 25 lbs, and comes back at 198. Then
Naval would be right all along!
@navalvet they were not recruited by Sec caliber schools, but they were
recruited by d1 schools. They made their intentions very clear since freshman
year. (Byu, missions). They had high school coaches telling them play the game,
talk to scouts. As they did, they were honest in intentions. Both boys decided
against pretending they wanted offer from a smaller school just to get offer.
When asked by eastern Kentucky, charleston southern, weber state, Iowa state or
other local schools would they be willing to commit right there on the spot They
were honest and said no. That's why it's not in the paper. Both boys
decided they wanted to walk on at a bigger school and earn an offer they really
wanted. Scouts don't always get it right. Paper and stats don't have
a gut feeling. My boys have had 4 OCs, 2 head coaches and multiple all star
coaches in central florida 8A. Everyone of them has said there's something
special about these boys more than the physical and stats....intangibles, work
ethic, leadership, motivation, instinct, inspirational.....Sometimes dreams do
come true with a little hard work. See you in 2016!!! Go Cougars!!!
preferred walk on status is for high school kids who aren't quite the top
of their game yet but have potential when they get in a d1 program with good
coaching and proper meal/workout plans. That's all Hayden was
saying.....I'd love the opportunity to show you what I've got!
Naval VetThose extra inches and pounds is[sic] due to a typo [what
typo? Hayden's own mother confirmed the accuracy of those extra inches and
pounds], and one that Cougar fans have excitedly glommed on to in order assuage
the disappointment [what disappointment?] of landing yet ANOTHER
"unheralded" recruit [that was offered the exact same walk-on status by
Utah].It's obvious that NV is having a complete panic attack
over another recruit that committed to BYU instead of that school up north.
Uteanymous:"It's obvious that NV is having a complete panic
attack over another recruit that committed to BYU instead of that school up
north."This kid is a 0-star athlete. If anyone is having a
panic attack, it'd be the fans of the team that brought him onboard.
NV:Seriously...c'mon dude. The kid is a walk-on which means he's
not a recruit and won't be listed on BYUs recruiting class. Obviously Utah
was interested in him and offered him the same deal. Or maybe you could ask his
Mom what he thought of Utah...sounds like she'd be more than happy to share
it with you. Utah's walk-ones aren't recruits anymore than BYUs
walk-ons so stop treating it like it's the same thing.Erin:We're excited to see what your son can do. Our all time leading receiver
was also 0 stars but obviously all the recruiting services got it wrong on him.
Sounds like your son is a hard worker and has what it takes. We wish him well on
his mission and when he returns to BYU.
This "kid" is an athlete that Utah wanted just as badly as BYU.The only person having a panic attack here is the fan of a school that was
spurned in favor of BYU.Slap another PAC 12 sticker on something;
maybe it will help assuage the bitter disappointment of losing another
recruiting battle to BYU.
Oops my fault...Cody Hoffman was 2 stars. It was our all time leading TE &
current NFL starter Dennis Pitta that was 0 stars coming out of HS.
Boycott Division I football and basketball.
Uteanymous:"This 'kid' is an athlete that Utah wanted
just as badly as BYU."I doubt that very much. Just look at you
cougar fans falling all over yourselves because you reeled in a 0-star athlete
who was born with a road map to Provo. And Utah already has six 3-star QBs,
plus another 2-star transfer from Wyoming that we weren't really all that
excited about, so we really don't need any more, and especially not if
they're the 0-star kind. The cougars' QB roster is a bit thinner.
You clearly "WISH" Utah wanted him as much as the Y, but it seems pretty
evident that the Y wanted/needed him a LOT more than we did.
naval vetYou've already proven just how unreliable your
"opinion" is.Utah offered Hayden the exact same preferred
walk-on status as BYU.You're just steamed that he chose BYU
over Utah.If he'd chosen Utah over BYU, your past track record
shows that you would have been praising him as the great thing since sliced
bread.BYU is well stocked with QBs, but Bronco, unlike Kyle, has
always understood the value of having a well-stocked QB roster.
phoenix:I already told you....I couldn't care less that a
0-star kid isn't coming to the U. Additionally, it had not been
"proven" how "unreliable" my opinion is. All that had been
"proven" was that I don't read the Orlando Sentinel, and that the
DNews moderators keep censoring my factual rebuttals for every other issue
raised on these threads.
At some point you need to simply admit you're wrong, you got owned by a
high school kid's mother, and move on.
Perkunas:Just because Erin "claims" to be this kid's
mother, that doesn't make it so.
NV, that's great advice considering the personal bona fides you've
thrown out over the yeats in an effort to gain credibility.Seriously, what does a middle-aged guy get out of arguing about the physical
stats of a high schooler who's a preferred walk-on on a team he
doesn't root for? Life's too short.
Navel Vet,The same could be said for your moniker!!! What have you done to
prove you are in fact a Navel Vet? I think it is safe to say that both Kyle and
Bronco think this kid might be a diamond in the rough that could help their
teams or neither would have offered the kid a chance!!! The kid has good stats
against good competition in Florida!!!NV, seems to me you are being very frantic
and emotional to devote so much time and comments on a walk on of your
Naval, when you find yourself in a hole, first rule of thumb is, quit
digging.Erin, Cougar Nation admires both of your boys for their
priorities, and we hope to see them both get a shot. Can't ask for more!
While we're at it, we admire their mom, and everyone else that helped them
learn to work hard and choose wisely.My son walked on the Y baseball
team, and while magic didn't happen for him, nobody can ever take away the
fact that he had a season of D1 competion, and at BYU.Wayne, you
forgot to mention the broken back. If Naval offers you the shovel, here's
a hint: don't take it.
@ Naval Vet and Chris B:There is absolutely no doubt that Kyle
Whittingham drools at the idea of ever getting a prospect like this kid... a guy
who throws 34 TD's against only 2 interceptions throughout an entire
season. It's extremely rare that a high school QB like that ever goes to
the U. And given the QB issues the Utes have been having as an Achilles heal for
the team, there's no doubt whatsoever that Utah would absolutely love
having this guy. In fact, had he chosen to come to Utah, you two
would completely change your stories and would consider him one of the best
pickups the Utes have had in quite some time. I've seen both your biases in
action many different times before and know exactly how and why you think and
react to players who sign and don't sign with the U. Your responses now are
as predictable as the sun rising.Enjoy living in football la-la land
while the Utes continue playing merry-go-round with their coaches as pontential
answers to their struggles. Discing players who don't choose the U simply
cost you respect and credibility.
@ Brio:You are spot on with your comment. Well said. I couldn't
agree more about the predictable bias of some of the more overly passionate Ute
fans. They are indeed totally predictable. The fact that they are getting so
excited and caught up in their comments about this QB choosing the Y only shows
how badly they feel about him not choosing the U. It's their demonstrated
and proven ways of hiding their disappointment, even if they themselves
don't realize it. Most BYU criticizers have never set a foot on
campus and so thusly criticize out of ignorance.To Erin and your
husband:As Y fans, we are genuinely excited about your son deciding
to come to Brigham Young University. He has already proven himself in football
camps at the Y and on the football field in Florida. Any college would be
fortunate to have the caliber of individuals and players that both your sons
are. They will undoubtedly cherish their time at the Y like most who attend
there experience. It's a unique and very positive environment in multiple
ways. It's win-win for both your family and for the Y.
Good for the kid; getting to play where he wanted too. BYU really has nothing to
lose here.I do find it funny that so many folks here are critical of
NavalVet; yet they are the exact same ones; who do the exact same thing on every
Utah article. Sheeesh!
Spokane UteDid you ever consider that it's because of Utah fans
like Chris B and Naval Vet, that BYU fans have started to respond in kind?BYU fans are simply pointing out the inconsistency of CB, NV and other
Utah fans when it comes to comparing recruits that commit to Utah versus BYU.A walk on at Utah is always considered a diamond in the rough.A
walk on at BYU is always considered a player that no one else wanted.
This young man gets to play NCAA football and get a first class education all
while on scholarship. Doesn't get much better than that does it?