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Published: Saturday, April 12 2014 4:25 p.m. MDT

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Vernal, UT

Energy and industry must stay away from our parks and monuments within reason, however we must not allow policies and regulation to lock the public out of these great areas. Otherwise it will be only the very elite that will be able to see and enjoy what we are trying to preserve for the people.

Blanding, UT

I too am worried about the coming time when individuals and families will have very restricted access to "public" lands. These restrictions, however, will be a result of too many people trying to visit and not a result of use of natural resources.

Idaho Falls, ID

Current generation consumes anything and everything leaving nothing for the future. The kids and especially grandkids will have no gas, and in the process of extracting it all will be left with nothing but waste land. Look at Dead Horse Point overlooking the Potash settling ponds. Brilliant move all in the name of energy.

Q Bee
Moab, UT

Drill baby drill

play by the rules

Drill baby Drill! These liberals who want to exploit the lands for their recreational pleasure use the very energy that we need to sustain life. Their intellectual short-sidedness is mind numbing. These are the same individuals who will complain about big energy when their power bill goes up 200%. Use some logic people. We need energy!

Longview, TX

Get the oil industry in Moab, and the immediate effect will be loss of unblemished landscapes and light pollution that destroys night skies. Then when the frac operations begin, earthquakes will follow to topple all the arches. Moab will become the calendar child for environmental disaster when Delicate Arch falls due to the oil and gas industry.

Bob Tanner
Price, UT

I love it when the oil baron claims they try very, very, very hard to blend in. I remember looking off Dead Horse Point overlook and NOT seeing the potash mill...now I want to puke every time I look off and see that ugly man made albatross spoiling what could have, and should have remained a pristine view. Who wants to see Moab with a population of 49,999 people living there just to support the extraction industry? We have a jewel in the Moab area that shouldn't be destroyed for the sake of more oil. Bob Tanner.

Somewhere in Time, UT

We need these resources for our national security as well as the economic benefit of the area. Environmentalism is such an elitest movement that concerns itself mostly with the esthetic needs of its own adherents.

We can utilize these resources without endangering the environment. The technology exists to do this with very minimal impact. Someone being able to go horseback riding without seeing the trench to a new pipeline is not justification for stopping this important development.

As someone who has a home that is powered by off-the-grid solar power and is completely green, I owe no apologies to anyone. And...I say DRILL BABY DRILL! This country needs it.

Sensible Scientist
Rexburg, ID

Oil and gas wells are routinely put in cities, farms, orchards, vineyards, and wildlife refuges. Beverly Hills High School has had one on its property for decades, for example. Once established, they are quite unobtrusive. If they can be safely put there, they can certainly be put in and around SE Utah's recreation areas and parks. All the doomsday talk is hype without substance.

Oak Park, IL

We live in Illinois and have visited Moab twice, to hike Arches and the North Canyonlands. We will return this fall. One trip through the Bakken lands of North Dakota was enough.
According to the quantities published here the Moab-area natural gas reserves equate to about 0.5% of the US annual consumption; they would supply natural gas for about 500,000 MW hours of electrical production, or about 0.01% of the US annual electrical generation.
Non-public areas of Utah could be dedicated to solar generation that delivers, in perpetuity, many times the gas reserves equivalent of electricity. CSP generation with storage on 6,371 square miles (7.5%) of Utah could generate “almost a third of all energy used in the United States” (Wikipedia).
Southern Illinois supplied coal and oil. That countryside reveals idle pumpjacks: towns sit above abandoned mines, some of which are on fire and leak carbon monoxide into basements. The twelve lowest family-income counties in Illinois are in the south. Surely some achieved riches from the oil and coal, but the people, in general, are left poor.
Utah should beware of throwing away its precious heritage of open, protected land. Do not kill the goose that lays golden eggs.

LDS Tree-Hugger
Farmington, UT

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of the cure.

When we have done everything we can,
Selling gas at un subsidezed $7 a gallon,
and people stop driving gas guzzling trucks and SUVs 90 mph as daily drivers,
and we are driving 40+ mpg vehicles,
and cracking down hard on those who exploit and ignore our resources...

Get back to me about drilling.

There is enough and to spare --
but NOT if you are being selfish, stingy, and not being prudent.

Then God doesn't need to keep his end of that promise.

Salt Lake, UT

Too many tourists or too many oil wells? I'd rather have the oil wells. The 4-wheelers, mountain bikers, SUV enthusiasts have done more damage than mineral extraction.

Sandy, UT

Okay you drill baby drill folks know that oil is sold on the world market, right? Developing countries are buying this oil and to say that tapping into these resources is a national security is laughable.

Maybe if we nationalized our oil industry then maybe the national security argument would be valid.

Huntsville, u

Both can survive. They have ever since the first oil well was tapped. When the wells are empty, the land will return to the same. Just remember all of those tourists use gas to get their and as far as the people that bring their horses from Park City?--- I wonder how much gas they use to pull those trailers? I doubt if they ride their horses all the way.

Cottonwood Heights, UT

I'm ok if we don't drill and exploit the natural resources, but let's charge everyone from out of state that wants us to keep the land pristine a $100.00 a day fee to visit these areas.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

We need more accurate revenue figures for energy development. It is easy to see that taxes and royalties are paid to the counties and private citizens, but we need to factor in the "hidden costs".

Texas has a relatively high tax on energy production, but in some of the fracking areas the damage to roads and bridges, by the myriad huge trucks, actually costs more to repair than the government receives in taxes and royalties.

Lets make sure that we aren't allowing energy companies to prosper while transferring infrastructure costs to the tax payers!

Salt Lake City, UT

Great article. Balanced and informative. Thanks, Des News.

Kearns, UT

Geez, I remember well the uranium tailings, right next to the river across from Moab. I'm pretty sure that giant eyesore didn't deter anyone from going down there. Those nice blue ponds look cool from Dead Horse Point anyway.

I have a better idea. Let's charge the out of stators $1000.00 a visit and an large excise tax on bike, hummer, jeep, and any other rental. Also some exorbitant fees for running the river. Also tax alcohol sales more. I see beer cans littering all over the place down there. Same with cigarette butts.

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

@ Cats

"Environmentalism is such an elitest movement that concerns itself mostly with the esthetic needs of its own adherents."

Opposition to energy development in these places is that time and again, the energy industry has incurred "accidents" that have damaged not just the aesthetics of the community, but also threatened water, air, quality of life, and livelihoods of local residents.

Just this past month, an unreported oil spill was discovered, and now state and federal dollars are being spent to figure out who is responsible and what damaged it has caused to people relying on the local water for life.

Our tax dollars time and again are used to clean up the mess of energy interests -- whether is was earmarks to clean up Moab's tailings from the now defunct uranium industry to Obama's bailout of the BP oil disaster in the Mexican Gulf that not only damaged sea life, but the livelihoods of fishermen and resorts along the Gulf coast. Some people today still refuse to eat Gulf sea food due to its perceived toxicity.

Denver, CO

The problem with calls for "balance" is that the term is usually used by exploiters and politicians to gussy up their self-serving schemes. To prevent going down the rat hole of a-half-of-a-half inevitable consumption of set aside lands that are already the result of land-use choices, we should consider opening up lands now occupied by frackers and oil drillers, including all their owned or leased land, office building campuses and facilities, to compensatory parks and open spaces.

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