There are many years of Jesus' life that aren't covered in the Bible.
He was doing something all those years.
Of course Jesus was married. His role as a preceptor was to demonstrate perfect
obedience to God's laws, I imagine he was also a father. His life has stood
as a beacon to the faithful for over 2,000 years. And how could He succor us in
our infirmities if he had not experienced the difficulty and joy of marriage? He
makes a perfect partner and exemplar for our marriages even today. The Catholic church didn't institute organizational celibacy until the
@ Cats....the "new wind" thing was made up by members so Jesus could
fall in line with the WOW.Jesus was married, did not live his entire
life as a "virgin" religious folk would like to believe and had kids.
That's because he was Jesus. Just another guy, just another Hebrew that
apparently was a pretty nice guy. It was the Roman Church that turned him into
Christ, very simple.
SammyB,In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was
God.(John 1:1).Greeks used this term not only for the spoken word but the
unspoken word Reason when applied to the universe they meant rational principle.
The Jews used it as a way in referring to God. John used it in a way
meaningful to both Jews and Gentiles. God becomes man, not man becomes God(John
1:14)RE: LDSareChristians ,Ogden Kraut. Eusebius, believed the
Gospel of Thomas to be not only spurious, but "the fictions of
heretics".e.g Logos 114. Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary
leave us, for females don't deserve life." @ Books of the N. T.
that are missing? Not everything Paul wrote was scripture like, his laundry
list."Dr. Phipps Greek translation of the Bible there's no
difference in the word for `wife' and `woman'. Strong's G1135
gyne; I. a Woman of any age, whether a virgin, OR married.RE:
Flashback .. Over 26,000 N.T. quotes from the(2nd c) disciples of the apostles
and early church fathers can reconstruct the N.T. except 12 verses. Check
Biblical lower criticism
Think of it in these terms. If Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness,
then it could be inferred that Jesus was married because marriage for time and
for all eternity is part also of fulfilling all righteousness.Besides, it was Constantine and the councils of Nicea that determined the
current doctrine that the Catholic Church and most mainline Christian churches
follow. The Catholic Popes in the Dark Ages decreed that Mary Magdelene was a
prostitute with no scriptural proof.Sharrona, remember that the
Bible that we have now is a copy of a copy of a copy and men decided what would
go in or not. There are no original texts written during Jesus' time that
have survived to be included. Doesn't the Bible say that if everything
Christ said was written the book would fill the earth? I'm not at all
suprised that there is no reference to Jesus being married in the Bible. There
is a lot missing.
Do a google search on "Jesus Was Married" By "Ogden Kraut" for
an interesting article.
There are more important, serious things to consider than to spend our time
speculating that Jesus had a wife. This has never been revealed in the
scriptures or espoused by the prophet of the Lord.
The LDS church used to use wine in their sacrament, the grape juice thing has
always been a lie.If Jesus is setting an example, why would he start a
family by getting married and then leaving topreach, and with full
knowledge he would abandon them when he was hung on the cross?Absentee Father, who will die young is an example?
@skeptic: Mormons believe that Joseph Smith, Jr. was a direct decendent of the
Joseph, son of Jacob, who was sold into Egypt. I have never read or heard
anything that said he was a decendent of our Redeemer.Also, Jesus
probably did drink wine with a small amount of alcohol, occasionally and in
moderation. There weren't many alternative beverages in his time. The
Word of Wisdom was given in our day, when non-alcoholic drinks are sanitary. It
was given for the weakest of saints, who can now refuse alcoholic beverages
altogether.Jesus was slandered as a wine-biber out of malice; it was
a lie to diminish Him in the eyes of the people.
skeptic: Mormons DO NOT believe Joseph Smith to be a direct descendent of
Jesus. Where do you get your information? I have been a member most of my life
and this is the very first time I have heard what you claim to be our doctrine.
Since Mormons believe Joseph Smith to be a direct descendent of Jesus, then
Jesus would have had to have had children. If that be the case it is most likely
that he was married.
Re CatsWhy would any society bother to label someone as a grape
juice drinker? What would be the point?++++Curtis
Hightcjb,Do you have a reference for your statement that
"LDS teach that Jesus didn't drink alcohol." ++Yes, it is what was taught in LDS church when I was growing up. It was
Cats, you are right for official Catholic dictates but there was already a push
toward celibacy with some influential leaders during the fifth and sixth
centuries that influenced which books to accept.
@SammyB This is not evidence
Let's see.... since Jesus showed the perfect example of obedience to his
Father, even when it really hurt to do so, He needed to enter into coventants
through ordinances. So, Jesus being sinless, but needing to enter the covenant
of obedience to His Father, He traveled to John for the ordinance of Baptism
through which ordinance that covenant of obedience to the Father was entered
into. And knowing that the power of God is manifest through ordinances, and
Marriage is an ordenance through which "the new and everlasting
covenant..." is entered into in order for man to obtain the highest...etc.
Then it simply follows... right? He is our example in all things. Makes
perfect sense. Summary.Jesus kept all the commandments of His
Father. Jesus entered covenants the same way we do...through ordinances. He
didn't leave anything undone there... me thinks. It is through the
ordinances that the Power of God is manifest. Is this going to rock the world?
Maybe it will to some.
sharrona,".... So they invent and believe myths about Jesus
being married, having children, and being an ordinary human being...."______________________________Jesus was as human as you and I but
ordinary he was not. It’s the extraordinary in him that caused believers
to elevate him to mythic proportions. In popular imagination, Jesus is so up in
the clouds that many Christian traditionalists find it blasphemous to imagine
him in any other way.
nonceleb,"....One could say that wives were overlooked, but
Peter's wife is mentioned."______________________________Excellent point, especially considering that Peter is claimed by the
Catholic Church as it's first Pope. If Jesus had been married, the Gospel
authors would have likewise mentioned his spouse, not as though it were any big
deal but as a matter-of-fact detail of Jesus' life.
I can understand why Mormons want him to have been married. But there is no
mention of his wife anywhere in the New Testament. He had a wandering ministry
which would not be conducive for having a wife or children. There is no mention
of a female companion during his travels. One could say that wives were
overlooked, but Peter's wife is mention. Surely if Jesus was married it
would be worthy of mention in the Gospels, Acts or the letters. Also, there is
no reference of any kind to eternal marriage or other Mormon-style temple
rituals anywhere in the New Testament or other contemporary written histories of
the Jews and early Christians.
"Thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness." So said Jesus when
he was baptized, even though he had no sin to remit. To think that there was
ever any commandment given to man that was not observed by Jesus, even if only
for the purpose of setting a perfect example, is beyond reason.Marriage and multiplying were original, Garden of Eden commandments. We are
told that Jesus endured every pain, every affliction, known to man for the
purpose of possessing perfect empathy. Take that thought to its logical
conclusion, and you must know he married and had children.
Why are we focusing on Christ's wife? Does she matter more than he does?I certainly don't think so. If we found out that yes, Jesus was
married, does that change anything about what he did for us?
Dear Sammy B: You must have different information than I have. I have read it
was the twelfth century, but no matter if it was another century, the original
purpose was to prevent priests from giving church property to their children.
Dear Sharonna: The Bible, unfortunately, is not a complete record.
It is a well known fact that there are many other ancient writings that were
highly respected and used by the early Christians but were later discarded.
Also, many plain and precious parts have been taken out of the Bible and were
lost. So the fact that Christ's marriage is not mentioned in the accepted
cannon is does not necessarily mean he wasn't.Also, I
didn't say that Christ never imbibed any alcohol, they were living the Law
of Moses at that time. But, what I wrote about new wine not being the same as
wine today, was accurate. That is mostly what they drank.And...Sneaky Jimmy...Any church that teaches God's true word teaches
celibacy outside of true marriage which is supported by scripture.
Even if it’s an authentic document won’t conclusively corroborate
any purported information it contains regarding Jesus. The early Christian
era’s Christian communities produced an abundance of texts based on
diverse contradictory traditions about Jesus that range from the contradictory
to the fanciful, to the preposterous.Even the information provided
in the New Testament canon is debated over with regards to its factuality. If
Jesus was in fact married, the canonical gospels’ silence on the matter
are a conspicuous omission. There’s no reason for it to have been left out
or for the Church to have suppressed it.That, of course, won’t
stop the tireless conspiracy theorists.
@CatsCelibacy in the Church dates from at least the third century and
perhaps earlier. People in Jesus's time did actually drink wine that is
substantially the same as wine today. Wine doesn't ferment a little bit. It
either ferments or turns to vinegar. Jesus would have been very strange if he
didn't drink wine with a 5% alcohol content during his life. And not to get
off topic but what church today is trying to reintroduce celibacy for some of
Sharonna,There were a number of early Christian writings that
indicate that Jesus was married but by the time the religious cannon was put
together, it was decided that priests should no longer be allowed to marry. That
was one of the reasons those writings were labelled apocryphal and not
canonized.Christ's family was in danger, this is why Joseph of
Arimathea, the Lord's uncle, took Mary, Mary Magdalene, and other family
members away from Israel. Hiding personal information about Jesus's
relatives was crucial to their safety.
I am a convert to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, but before my
conversion 10 years ago, I had spent many years in/out of other Christian
churches on my search for 'my place'. The Catholic Church (it is
rumored and surmised) initially took the position that to remain unmarried (for
priests) was the best way to follow Jesus (reference Paul's writings), and
to discover, even in this late age, that they purposefully, intentionally left
out many 'facts' from the discovered Scrolls and Ancient writings
verifying that Jesus, himself, was married, would be devastating to their
theology. For the rest of us, it would simply support everything we already
know to be true; that marriage and family is what our Heavenly Father designed
for us to all experience, based on His likeness and knowing what Man truly
needed to be here while in human form. Jesus being married (as I believe He
was, because He was HUMAN and had needs, and He would not choose to fornicate
and go against everything His Father requires of us) would be setting THE
RE: Mom of Six, The “pale” of Christianity believes the birth of
Jesus was a unique miracle by the Holy Spirit/Ghost, same Greek word
(Pneuma,Luke 1:35),“l know not a man”? Did Mary tell a lie?
Mary knew the reality of her own virginity. She declared that her pregnancy was
the result of the miraculous overshadowing of the Holy Spirit, not from a sex
act with a man (even if that man is the immortal God in a human body)'If Jesus had been married, the Bible would have told us so. Scripture
would not be completely silent on such an important issue. The Bible mentions
Jesus’ mother, adoptive father, half-brothers, and half-sisters. Why would
it neglect to mention the fact that Jesus had a wife? Those who believe/teach
that Jesus was married are doing so in an attempt to “humanize” Him,
to make Him more ordinary, more like everyone else. People simply do not want to
believe that Jesus was God in the flesh (John 1:1, 14; 10:30). So,
they invent and believe myths about Jesus being married, having children, and
being an ordinary human being.
Jesus may have been married. It really doesn't matter; if it did
there'd be more and clearer record of it. It's fun to think about,
but sometimes a distraction. More than the validity of discovered documents, my
main concern is the observation that over any given such document, if a major
church says A, people pretending to look for truth will say B, and if a major
church says B, said pretenders will say A.As for why he would marry
with the intent to leave a widow? Because families are forever; He, more than
anyone else to ever live, would certainly approach such a matter with an eternal
perspective, and no doubt he would marry-hypothetically or actually-a woman with
a similar perspective.... Touching back on distractions though,
what would that make their children? If Jesus was the literally begotten Son of
God, literally biologically half-God, do genetics make their children
quarter-Gods? Or does that immortal nature not inheret past His own life?
I can see why the Catholics would dismiss this idea because of their belief that
priests cannot marry. But as a member of the church who has done lots of temple
work it just makes sense to me that Jesus will have a wife, an eternal
companion. And I would want him to have one.
How could Christ " learn obedience through the things that he suffered"
without being married?
Dear CJB:In Christ's day they drank what was referred to as new
wine. We know it as grape juice. When it got a little older it would ferment a
little bit, but it was nothing like alcohol as we know it today. I
have always felt that it was highly significant that Mary was the first one that
Christ appeared to after He was resurrected. This was no accident. She was
clearly a person of great personal importance to Him. That was very likely
because she was His wife and he wanted her to be the first one to see him.Catholics didn't even introduce celibacy into their clergy until
the twelfth century. It was done because the church was tired of priests giving
church property to their children. So, the rule was established that one could
not be a priest unless one remained celibate. The whole celibacy thing was
never part of the earlier Catholic church.
I took an Institute class from Elder Bruce R. McConkie in about 1967-68. It was
his belief that Jesus was married, and that Mary who came to the sepulchre was
his wife. He based it on many writings that he had seen and shared with us at
that time, as well as the fact that Jesus was here to set an example for all to
follow, among many other things. He was baptized, although He was without sin.
Since eternal marriage is the higher law, it makes sense to me that He would
have followed that commandment, too.
cjb,Do you have a reference for your statement that "LDS teach
that Jesus didn't drink alcohol." In decades as a Latter-day Saint
I've heard this ventured once or twice, but not from anyone with authority.
I presume that He did. I've never drunk an alcoholic beverage, I rarely
even drink soda, but I don't have a problem with Him having done so. In a
world without refrigeration food preservation was a much different matter.
"In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts
of conspiring men in the last days, I have warned you, and forewarn you . . .
." isn't a statement about the dietary practices of Jesus of Nazareth a
couple thousand years ago.
The controversy is that for thousands or years doctrine was built around Jesus
not being married. There are entire parables and metaphors in the Bible
explaining how Christ is wedding the Church. The Bride and the Bridegroom. The
other problem is, if Jesus was married he would more than likely have children.
Those children would be Deity, right?
Christ is God in human flesh and to some relgions being married and possibly
having children would seem beneath him. It also doesnt seem to match his sole
mission which was to complete the Atonement. I can easily see how him being
married would be controversial to many people. On top of that, what
if Constatine, monks or whoever made the final decisions had included the Gospel
of Mary into the bible. Talk about controversy about women and the
priesthood.The Gospels are basically written testimonys. I can
easily see how more books could have been added to the bible.
Catholics don't believe he was married and they believe Mary was a virgin
even though the word virgin in Isaiah means young woman and the Bible says Mary
had other children. No religion gets it all correct, LDS teach that Jesus
didn't drink alcohol. Yet I the New Testament talks about Jesus having a
reputation as a wine biber. ( drinker).
I too can't understand why the question of whether Jesus was married or not
is at all controversial. At least in the sense that there is some kind of
scriptural sanction against the idea. That simply makes no sense.As
for controversy, imagine if rather than an isolated reference to simply "my
wife" it said something about "my wives"! Now **that** would really
raise some eyebrows!
I agree with Mom of Six and others who question the controversy. This isn't
even an issue for me. Indeed, I find comfort in knowing the Savior is well-aware
of the trials and tribulations of marriage. This simply does not lessen His
Atonement in any way.
I have known people with really bad diabetes or cystic fibrosis who chose not to
marry because they knew they were going to die young.I am sceptical
that he was married. He knew he was going to die young, why would he
intentionally leave behind a widow?I think that this could be
authrentic, but the context could very well be that he was referring to the
church as his wife. Paul mentions that, "Husbands love your wives like
Christ loved the church." This would be a carry over from the Old Testament
where Jehovah refers to the Israelites using a husband-wife metaphor.
Jesus (Joshua bar Joseph Cohen of Nazareth) was referred to as "rabbi".
To receive this title, He had to be married. It was the rabbinical law at the
time. Why the fuss? Because it kind of does away with the notion that to be the
Christ, He had to be a virgin and never "tainted" by a woman. Hmmm... If
Jesus Christ was/is who He said He was/is, and I know that He is, then being
married was a part of His responsibility as a Divine Example. I have often
pondered, with no supporting evidence to validate my ponderings, that the reason
Mary visited His tomb was to anoint Him because she was His wife. Seems logical
to me. I also feel that the reason there are no references to His marital status
was to create a Divine support for practices that were introduced long after He
ascended to His Father. The other possible reason is that the writers of the
early scriptures were well aware of how the Savior would be ridiculed and
profaned. Therefore, they chose not to have His bride treated the same.
@the reader,Your entire comment could just as easily apply to the
BOM, the bible, the koran, the torah, and any other religious document.
Just because the paper and ink are old does not make the words written on it
true. It is probably a figment of imagination to make something written with
old ink and paper true. Sounds like wishful thinking from someone with an
agenda, not someone looking for the truth.
If we take the position that Christ is our example in all things good and
wonderful, healthy and admired; then having a wife is within the realm of
reason. I believe in BY "Journal of Discourses" this subject was
Jesus being married makes sense...why the controversy???
Kind of makes me wonder how many kids they had together.
I have never understood why Jesus being married was such a big deal. Scriptures
are replete with verses stating that marriage is an honorable institution.
Families are important so why the big deal? Is it nothing more than priests not
marrying and this rocks that boat? For the first few centuries priests were
allowed to marry. This is not the only text that indicates that
Jesus was married but it takes a long time for wheels to turn for acceptance of