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Published: Thursday, April 10 2014 11:10 a.m. MDT

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USU-Logan
Logan, UT

The ruling will be very predictable, Judge Shelby’s decision will be upheld and marriage equality will prevail.

Utah AG hired expensive outside lawyers and all they can do is just beating the dead horse.
Taxpayers' money should have been better spent.

USU-Logan
Logan, UT

For those who claim this is state right issue. I think each state should have their own decision on technical issues like whether the legal age should be 18, like most states, or 19, like Nebraska, or 21, like Mississippi; or, with parental approval, whether it should be 16 for both genders or 16 for girls and 17 for boys etc.

However, for fundamental issues, like whether a couple of different races can get married, whether a couple of same gender can get married, the federal judiciary system should have a say. It should not be like in the past, interracial couples can get married in one state but not in another state.

Values Voter
LONG BEACH, CA

I'm reading it went very well for Marriage Equality advocates, but it doesn't sound like a unanimous ruling is likely, based on the questioning and responses from the judge.

Of course, that's speculation and I look forward to reading further reporting.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

New Mexico was able to see the inevitable.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

If you would like to hear the audio of today's arguments they are on the tenth circuit court's site. You might just put "tenth circuit court of appeals kitchen v herbert audio" into your search engine and you should find the link.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

If the pro same-sex marriage advocates are so sure they are going to win, I wonder why they are starting an ad campaign to try to win over hearts and minds in the state. If all they need is a court ruling and it is so inevitable, why do they need to do all this campaigning to get votes in favor of same-sex marriage? Gosh, maybe they're not quite so confident as they claim.

We can pass all the laws we want and have all the court rulings we want and it will NEVER change truth or right.

cavetroll
SANDY, UT

@Cats

"If the pro same-sex marriage advocates are so sure they are going to win, I wonder why they are starting an ad campaign to try to win over hearts and minds in the state."

Probably the same reason why political parties and even the Mormon church buys ads in the media. To get their views known.

Lia
Sandy, UT

Religion should stay the heck out of law.

Rufio
Saratoga, UT

@USU-Logan - not so, even if it was amended that only those 99 or older qualify.

Marriage is not a right, and it is available to all. A very small minority want to re-define marriage and seek it to be classified as a right....Rights are God-given and recognized by the Constitution as such. God does not define marriage in any way except between man-woman. Truth will prevail in the end.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

It's like watching the Pharisees spar with the Romans.

The Law of Moses vs. the Law of the Land.

Speaking of which --
after all is said and done,
I wonder if Utah Mormons will still believe --

11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

Because with all the saber rattling going on, it doesn't sound like it.

YouAreKidding
Salt Lake City, UT

Here in Utah, the elephant in the room bigger than gay marriage is that of polygamy. As correctly stated by the attorneys representing Utah, once you open the door to same-sex marriage, requiring the recognition of polygamous marriages is the logical next step.

As is often the case with well-intended bus misguided law-making, this decision is going to lead to places that the judges never envisioned or intended.

Candied Ginger
Brooklyn, OH

@Cats: "If the pro same-sex marriage advocates are so sure they are going to win, I wonder why they are starting an ad campaign to try to win over hearts and minds in the state."

As Mormons have become more visible in jobs and schools and neighborhoods, as well as in entertainment, people across the country and around the world have seen that Mormons are normal people. The ads the Church ran over the years helped get that idea out there.

So I think they are doing these commercials to help those who have been against same-sex-marriage. Harvey Milk famously said that gays and lesbians coming out to friends and family changes minds and hearts - we become real people as we come out and make connections.

These ads will help people who listened to "the sky is falling" claims will see that maybe they disagree, but they can be friends and neighbors.

I think the ads will help ease the changes when gay marriage is legalized, and I think it is a good and compassionate thing to do.

my_two_cents_worth
university place, WA

Rufio said, "Marriage is not a right"

Incorrect. "Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival."-- Chief Justice Warren writing for the majority in 388 U.S. 1, Loving v.Virginia (No. 395), June 12, 1967
Rufio said, "and it is available to all."

Seriously incorrect. "Marriage consists only of the legal union between a man and a woman."--Article 1, Section 29, Utah Constitution.

Rufio said, "God does not define marriage..."

"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires."--Susan B.Anthoney.

Willem
Los Angeles, CA

In the end in our country named America equality is always the winner. Mormon friends there is nothing to fear but fear itself!

Utefan4Lyf
West Jordan, UT

My_two_Cents_Worth:
You have entered my absolute favorite quote. I applaud you. Susan B. Anthony truly knew what she was talking about.
What we need to remember is that we are judging based on Gods will as interepreted by man. The original bible was re-written from ancient latin texts that priests were not always positive of. Taht is why there has always been discussion and amendments to the stories throughout the years.

Outside-View
Federal Way, WA

Utahs only hope is that these judges will do what Supreme Court Chief Justince John Roberts did for the Obamacare ruling. Rule in favor of the state by telling them under what circumstances their marriage law would be constitutional. Over Obamcare it was if they looked at the fine as a tax, which the goverment specifically said it was not.

I still think the CA Prop 8 is the best case to show that States can define what marriage will be in their state. There, gay civil unions had every benefit that hetero sexual married couples did. It was only the term "marriage" that was being fought over. Utah doesnt have that.

I hope the court would give some feedback to the State regarding this issue. Maybe they can call Justice Roberts for some advice.

CottageCheese
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Changes in the civil law do not, indeed cannot, change the moral law that God has established.

koseighty
The Shire, UT

“This is not an easy thing to do when you know that people that you care about on both sides of the issue will be affected very significantly and very personally.” ~ Utah Attorney General Sean Reyes

And therein is the big lie of this debate. The truth is that the only people who will be affected by the ultimate ruling in this case are the families of the LGBT community. "Traditional" marriages will NOT be affected in any way.

I have been married to my sweetheart for 30 years. During that time 18 countries, 18 states, and 8 Native American Tribes have passed marriage equality. Thousands upon thousands of LGBT couples have married -- including some 1300 here in Utah. And all those marriages have affected, influenced, or changed my "traditional" family in absolutely no way whatsoever.

The only "right" of traditional marriage that is under threat is the right to have something while denying it to your neighbor. And that has never been what "religious freedom" has meant to me.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Religion should stay the heck out of law."

And, law should stay the heck out of religion.

Inis Magrath
Fort Kent Mills, ME

@Rufio and anyone else who thinks marriage is not a right:

The Supreme Court of the United States has held that marriage is a fundamental civil right through a line of over a dozen cases dating back to the 1880s. It is not an open legal question. Marriage is a civil right and that is settled law. Period. Example from the case of Loving v. Virginia (1967): "Marriage is one of the basic civil rights of man."

You can like it, or you can not like it. You can even argue that you think the state has some legitimate basis upon which to deny the civil right of marriage to same-sex couples, but you cannot claim that marriage itself is not a civil right. When talking about marriage, same-sex or otherwise, we are talking about a civil right.

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